From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #210 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, August 8 2012 Volume 15 : Number 210 In this issue: Wife of Army Sgt. Wins Olympic Gold in 3-positions Rifle Australia: Spate of gun thefts not linked to firearm... Letter to the Editor EDITORIAL: Light sentence for RCMP officer is a blemish... Gunsmithing in Miniature Sikh Temple president used ceremonial dagger trying to stop gunman Don't shoot us! We only asked about the Stampede... The natural map of the Middle East ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, August 6, 2012 12:29 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Wife of Army Sgt. Wins Olympic Gold in 3-positions Rifle Jamie Gray, Wife of Army Sgt. Hank Gray, Wins Olympic Gold in 3-positions Rifle Posted by DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist in International, Media, Society. Aug 6th, 2012 http://themoderatevoice.com/155296/jamie-gray-wife-of-army-sgt-hank-gray-win s-olympic-gold-in-3-positions-rifle/ She is not quite a "Military Olympian" but she is the next person closest to it. She is an American, she is part of Team USA, she was coached by U.S. Army World Class Athlete Program rifle coach Maj. Dave Johnson and she is the wife of a U.S. serviceman. How much closer can one get. Jamie Gray, wife of U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit shooter Staff Sgt. Hank Gray, won an Olympic gold medal in the women's 50-meter rifle 3-positions event Aug. 4 at the Royal Artillery Barracks in London. Tim Hipps, Army News Service: Gray established Olympic records in the qualification (592) and final (691.9) portions of the event, which includes shooting from prone, standing and kneeling positions. On the next-to-last shot of the final round, Gray recorded her worst score (8.9) of the day, but she closed with her best shot (10.8) of the finale to seal the victory with a flourish. "It was almost a little bit of relief, honestly," said Gray, 28, of Phenix City, Ala. "I've dreaded that last shot for four years, and it's amazing to have it come through and be a good shot. It looked good and it felt good, so it was awesome," she added. "After shooting an 8.9 on the next-to-last shot, you want to come back from that one, and that's what I did." Serbia's Ivana Maksimovic (687.5) claimed the silver medal, and Czech Republic's Adela Sykorova (683) took the bronze. Gray said she realized she could secure the gold after shooting 198 in standing. She opened with a 198 in prone, and finished with a 196 kneeling. "After I shot a 198 standing, I was like, 'OK, here we go. This is a good one,'" she said. "The kneeling was probably the hardest thing I've ever shot - 20 shots kneeling - and I got through it great. I can't ask for a better kneeling today. It was windy, and I had one bad shot that just got away from me in the wind. "Other than that," Gray continued, "I took just great shots. Every shot was a good shot. After that, I knew that's a big one and I have a chance at this." Other than that, Jamie, you are a superb, honorary "Military Olympian." We are so proud of you, Congratulations and Thank You! - ------------------------ Shooting - Medal standings http://www.london2012.com/shooting/medals/medal-standings/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, August 6, 2012 11:13 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Australia: Spate of gun thefts not linked to firearm... ... registry access, say police Spate of gun thefts not linked to firearm registry access, say police Date August 7, 2012 - by Rachel Olding, Crime Reporter http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/spate-of-gun-thefts-not-linked-to-firearm-registry-access-say-police-20120806-23qdf.html NEARLY 200 guns have been stolen from premises across the state in a five-month spate of thefts but the police are adamant the gun registry has not been accessed illegally. The Herald is aware of 25 break and enters, mostly in rural and semi-rural homes, that appear to be targeted at gun thefts. Up to 18 firearms were stolen at a time, including Olympic-grade pistols and former police guns. The recent spike prompted suggestions that the NSW Firearms Registry had been illegally accessed and used as a shopping list for organised criminals. The commander of the firearms and organised crime squad, Detective Superintendent Ken Finch, said there was ''absolutely no evidence'' of this but he had ''no idea'' why there had been so many thefts. He said it was likely that locals were stealing guns from other locals. ''In rural areas, most people generally know who owns firearms in the area,'' he said. He said there was no evidence the guns, mostly long arms and rifles, were being used to supply bikies or crime gangs in Sydney, who tend to prefer handguns. ''The evidence at this stage doesn't suggest they are being stolen for more sinister purposes [or] going to organised criminals.'' However, dozens of handguns have been among the haul, and are now thought to be on the black market, including a $2500 Hammerli pistol similar to those used by Olympic shooters, and a Smith & Wesson .38 special target pistol, which was the gun used by NSW police before Glock pistols were introduced. In one theft near Baradine, in the state's north-west, eight handguns were stolen. Philip Alpers, a firearms expert from the University of Sydney's school of public health, said the thefts were too geographically disparate to be the work of an organised group with access to the register. However, he said it was concerning because people stealing guns usually do so with the knowledge they can be sold to criminals. About 10 per cent of guns seized by police are registered firearms that have been stolen from their owners, says the Australian Crime Commission. The commission estimates 250,000 long arms and 10,000 handguns are in the black market. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, August 6, 2012 10:12 pm From: "mikeack" Subject: Letter to the Editor Re the Sikh Temple Massacre: Another mass killing, this one probably in supposed retaliation for the Major Hassan rampage at Fort Hood. As is typical, as soon as someone other than the sociopath brought a gun to the scene, the killing of innocent victims stopped. Why are we made to helplessly wait in a so-called "gun free zone" - AKA defenseless victim zone - where only the murderer is armed for vital minutes or hours for someone else to bring essential safety equipment to us, while innocent people are being killed, rather than being encouraged to equip and train with, and bring such equipment ourselves? Waiting and hoping for the police to show up in time to save you or your family from a deranged madman is about as sensible as expecting a road safety team to arrive while you are in the middle of a high speed motor vehicle crash to install seat belts in your car and secure them around you before you are ejected from the tumbling vehicle. Canada's victim's and women's rights groups would do well to start supporting the concept of effective and timely personal defense. A single defensive shooter at our Ecole Polytechnique could have saved many, many lives. Similarly many of these latest victims would still be alive, were they not disarmed by their own government, supposedly for their own protection. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 7, 2012 8:41 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: EDITORIAL: Light sentence for RCMP officer is a blemish... ... on the courts Editorial: Justice denied Light sentence for RCMP officer is a blemish on the courts Calgary Herald - August 7, 2012 8:06 AM http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/editorials/Editorial+Justice+denied/7050016/story.html On the evidence presented in court, the sentence handed out to British Columbia RCMP Cpl. Monty Robinson seems to be a gross miscarriage of justice. Convicted in March of obstruction charges for trying to block a possible impaired driving investigation after he hit and killed a 21-year-old motorcyclist in Delta, Robinson was recently given a conditional discharge that has appalled observers. Robinson admitted that he left the scene of the 2008 crash to down two shots of vodka at his nearby home before returning to speak to police. It's one of the oldest tricks in the books. By fleeing a scene and having a couple shots of booze, somebody can claim they acted out of post-traumatic stress and therefore can avoid a more serious impaired charge because the defence can argue that alcohol was consumed after the accident. B.C. Supreme Court Judge Janice Dillon saw through it, noting that Robinson used his knowledge as an RCMP officer to hide the fact that he had consumed five beers shortly before the collision. Yet, instead of sending Robinson to jail for even one day - he will serve one month of house arrest followed by probation - Dillon cited several mitigating factors in favour of a lenient sentence. Among these were the cost of putting Robinson in protective custody, his medical condition of being an undiagnosed alcoholic, and his aboriginal status. The Criminal Code says that judges must give special consideration in sentencing aboriginal offenders due to issues surrounding poverty, upbringing and endemic alcoholism. But the "Indian get-out-of-jail free card" for Robinson enraged even the B.C. Union of Indian Chiefs Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, who said those provisions are meant to apply to those who have suffered trauma growing up, and other factors that he believes are not present in Robinson's case. "This is a misapplication in his case because (these provisions) were never meant to be a loophole or a matter of convenience that high-priced lawyers can reach for in order to keep their clients out of jail," Phillip told The Province newspaper in Vancouver. Phillip is right. As an RCMP officer with a duty of care to the public, Robinson should be held to a higher standard, not one that is much lower. The sentence imposed by Dillon is a disservice to aboriginal people, who become collectively tainted by it. It is also a disservice to the RCMP, which is already dealing with image problems from internal sexual harassment allegations to excessive use of force. Robinson, in fact, still faces perjury charges in connection with an inquiry into the 2007 death of Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski, who was repeatedly stunned by a Taser at Vancouver's airport when approached by Robinson and three other officers. Judith Hutchinson, the mother of the young man who was killed, said she was outraged at the sentence. She said what many people are feeling: "It just was like a little kid getting grounded." The RCMP has treated Robinson and other police criminals with kid gloves and now the courts are too. It's a disgrace. The public is rightly losing faith in these Canadian institutions. Robinson's sentence should be appealed to help restore that faith a little bit. - --------------------------------- Justice for Orion Hutchinson and his family? Not a chance. Disgraced former RCMP Corporal Benjamin (Monty) Robinson plays the race card and wins Jul 27, 2012 by: Christopher di Armani | 5 comments. http://christopherdiarmani.com/6034/rcmp-accountability-2/justice-orion-hutchinson-family-chance-disgraced-rcmp-corporal-benjamin-monty-robinson-plays-race-card-wins/?awt_l=Abats&awt_m=3YHPZLkj_atLzRJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 7, 2012 8:50 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Gunsmithing in Miniature NOTE: Thanks to Jeremy Swanson for passing this on. Joe Martin Foundation "Metalworking Craftsman of the Year" award winner for 2010 Award-winning miniature arms from France's history http://craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Lefaivre.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:27:57 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Sikh Temple president used ceremonial dagger trying to stop gunman http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/08/07/Sikh-Temple-president-tried-to-stop-gunman/UPI-20141344324600/ Sikh Temple president tried to stop gunman Published: Aug. 7, 2012 OAK CREEK, Wis., Aug. 7 (UPI) -- The president of the Sikh temple in Wisconsin where six members were killed tried to stop the gunman before he was gunned down, his son says. Amardeep Kaleka told WTMJ, CNN affiliate in Milwaukee, that his father, Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, used the ceremonial dagger all Sikhs carry. "It's an amazing act of heroism, but it's also exactly who he was," Amardeep Kaleka said. "There was no way in God's green Earth that he would allow somebody to come in and do that without trying his best to stop it." Wade Michael Page killed five members of the temple Sunday, including Kaleka, its founder, and Prakash Sita Singh, its priest, and gunned down a police officer before he was shot dead by police. Several prayer vigils were held Monday and at least one more was scheduled for Tuesday, CNN reported. Amardeep told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that his father, a founder of the temple in Oak Creek, believed Sikhs would have a freedom in the United States they did not enjoy in India. His father worked in a gas station when he first arrived in the United States and refused to allow emergency room workers to shave his head -- Sikhs do not cut their hair -- when he was wounded by an attacker there. "He kept saying, 'They will accept us. You push for the American dream and the democracy we weren't allowed in India,'" Amardeep Kaleka said. A senior U.S. law enforcement official told the Los Angeles Times that federal agents put Page under investigation because of his extreme right-wing ties but concluded they didn't have enough evidence of a crime to open an investigation. The unidentified official would not tell the newspaper which law enforcement agency had considered investigating Page, or when. Officials believe Page, a 40-year-old U.S. Army veteran who had been assigned to psychological operations, legally purchased the 9mm handgun he used in the shooting in Wisconsin, U.S. Attorney James A. Santelle said Monday. Psychological operations involves seeking to influence the emotions, motives, objective reasoning and behavior of foreign individuals, groups and governments, the Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms says. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Tuesday Page purchased the handgun from a gun shop in the suburban Milwaukee city of West Allis July 28 and picked it up July 30, less than a week before the shooting. Page killed six people and wounded three others when he opened fire with the semiautomatic handgun Sunday in a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, south of Milwaukee, police said. An officer then shot him to death. Apart from Kaleka those killed included Sita Singh, 41, the priest, Ranjit Singh, 49; Prakash Singh, 39; Paramjit Kaur, 41, and Suveg Singh, 84, Oak Creek police said. Members of Page's family said in a text message to the Journal Sentinel Monday they were "devastated by the horrific events" and asked for privacy. Page had been among hundreds of names monitored by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League because of his ties to the white supremacist movement and his role as the leader of a white-power band called End Apathy. The law center called him a frustrated neo-Nazi. He was also believed to have been a low-level member of a national white-supremacist group called the Hammerskins, the Times said. The group, also known as the Hammerskin Nation, produces and promotes white-power rock music and is considered the most well-organized white-power skinhead group in the United States, a United Press International review indicated. Racist skinhead bands and record labels are known by law enforcement to raise money for U.S. extremist groups, the Times said. Authorities have said they are treating the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, August 8, 2012 8:36 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Don't shoot us! We only asked about the Stampede... ... By Naomi Lakritz HEADLINE IN THE HERALD'S PRINT EDITION: Don't shoot us! We only asked about the Stampede. Lakritz: Kalamazoo police officer's letter to editor about handguns points to cultural divide between Canada, U.S. By Naomi Lakritz Calgary Herald - August 8, 2012 8:19 AM http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/Lakritz+shoot+only+asked+about+Stampede/7054368/story.html Yes, Walt Wawra is a real person. No, the letter we published from him Tuesday, about the "confrontation" he and his wife had with two Calgarians in Nose Hill Park, was not a hoax. The fact that so many readers have written in, or posted comments online, wondering if it was for real, speaks volumes about the cultural differences between Canadians and Americans. It gives the lie to those who say that Canadians are no different than Americans. Wawra, who lives in Kalamazoo, Mich., is a police officer. While on a recent visit to Calgary, he and his wife, Debbie, were approached by two young men on a pathway in Nose Hill Park, who asked the Wawras if they had been to the Stampede yet. When they asked the question a second time, Wawra moved between the men and his wife and told them he had no need to talk to them. He said they looked "bewildered." The parties then went their separate ways. In his letter, Wawra said it felt strange not to carry his off-duty handgun in Canada and added that he thanked the Lord they didn't pull a weapon on him. No benefit of the doubt given the young men, no thought that they might have just been trying to be friendly. He also complained about Canadian gun laws, saying that in Canada, only the police and criminals carry handguns. Yes, that's true, and it's probably one of the reasons when there's a dispute over a parking space in Canada, nobody dies from bullet wounds as a result. Wawra's mindset is what America's gun mania has produced. How paranoid and how very sad. Wawra wrote that he speculated the men did not have good intentions. He claims the men spoke in an "aggressive, disrespectful and menacing manner." Menacing? A question about the Stampede is construed as a menace? Or, as someone commented on the Herald's website: "... for asking if you had been to the Stampede? Since when is that grounds to be dead?" Another commenter wrote: "I can see why they were frightened. If you rearrange the letters in 'been to Stampede yet?' you get "a beset potted enemy'." Most likely, the men noticed something about the Wawras that indicated they were tourists, and were trying to make conversation. Maybe they themselves were enjoying the Stampede's centennial celebration and wanted to let these tourists know that their visit to Calgary wouldn't be complete without a day at the Stampede. The fact that the young men looked bewildered by Wawra's response indicates that their intentions were indeed friendly ones and that they were quite puzzled at being rebuffed. Wawra did not return my call requesting an interview Tuesday afternoon. Too bad. I would have liked to ask him why an American visitor to Calgary would treat a friendly encounter in a city park here as if it were a midnight stroll through a drug-dealer infested alley on the south side of Chicago. One can only stand open-mouthed at the knee-jerk mindset of suspicion, fear and loathing on the mean streets - which is so ingrained in Americans that they can't leave it at home when they visit another country. Americans argue that they need to carry guns, because having a concealed weapon makes them feel safe. Their thinking seems to be that at any given moment, they could be under attack from the very next person they meet on the street, and they'll need to shoot in self-defence. Whereas, when you walk down a street in Canada, you don't assume that you're at risk of being suddenly assaulted or killed. You just see ordinary people going about their day and you give their motives no further thought. And so, Americans, unaware of just how sick their handgun mentality is, continue to fight like crazy to prevent any kind of handgun-control legislation from being implemented. A 9 mm handgun, purchased legally, was the weapon of choice in Oak Creek, Wis., on Sunday when six people were killed and three more wounded by a white supremacist at a Sikh temple. One might argue that if the worshippers had carried guns, they could have killed the guy first. But sitting in a temple armed to the teeth while listening to a sermon about brotherhood and peace is ridiculous. "Many would say I have no need to carry (a handgun) in Canada," Wawra wrote. "Yet I have a unique perspective based on years of police experience. The perspective (is that) the police cannot protect everyone all the time. A man should be allowed to protect himself if the need arises... My perspective proved true a few days ago for my wife and I." It doesn't seem to have occurred to Wawra that the need didn't arise in Calgary, and that if he'd been carrying a handgun, two people might now be dead because they asked him if he'd been to the Stampede. As an American who is also a Canadian citizen, all I can say is, thank God I live in Canada. Naomi Lakritz is a Herald columnist. nlakritz@calgaryherald.com - ------------------------- Nose Hill Park confrontation makes visitors feel unsafe By Walt Wawra, Calgary Herald August 7, 2012 http://www.calgaryherald.com/Nose+Hill+Park+confrontation+makes+visitors+feel+unsafe/7050028/story.html I recently visited Calgary from Michigan. As a police officer for 20 years, it feels strange not to carry my off-duty hand-gun. Many would say I have no need to carry one in Canada. Yet the police cannot protect everyone all the time. A man should be al-lowed to protect himself if the need arises. The need arose in a theatre in Aurora, Colo., as well as a college campus in Canada. Recently, while out for a walk in Nose Hill Park, in broad daylight on a paved trail, two young men approached my wife and me. The men stepped in front of us, then said in a very aggressive tone: "Been to the Stampede yet?" We ignored them. The two moved closer, repeating: "Hey, you been to the Stampede yet?" I quickly moved between these two and my wife, replying, "Gentle-men, I have no need to talk with you, goodbye." They looked bewildered, and we then walked past them. I speculate they did not have good intentions when they approached in such an aggressive, disrespectful and menacing manner. I thank the Lord Jesus Christ they did not pull a weapon of some sort, but rather concluded it was in their best interest to leave us alone. Would we not expect a uniformed officer to pull his or her weapon to intercede in a life-or-death encounter to protect self, or another? Why then should the expectation be lower for a citizen of Canada or a visitor? Wait, I know - it's because in Canada, only the criminals and the police carry handguns. Walt Wawra, Kalamazoo, Mich. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:03:53 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: The natural map of the Middle East http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/07/pat-buchanan-the-natural-map-of-the-middle-east/ The natural map of the Middle East By: Patrick J. Buchanan 8/7/2012 "Apart from political maps of mankind, there are natural maps of mankind. . One of the first laws of political stability is to draw your political boundaries along the lines of the natural map of mankind." So wrote H.G. Wells in "What Is Coming: A Forecast of Things to Come After the War" in the year of Verdun and the Somme Offensive. In redrawing the map of Europe, however, the statesmen of Versailles ignored Wells and parceled out Austrians, Hungarians, Germans and other nationalities to alien lands to divide, punish and weaken the defeated peoples. So doing they set the table for a second world war. The Middle East was sliced up along lines set down in the secret Sykes-Picot agreement. But with the Islamic awakening and Arab Spring toppling regimes, the natural map of the Middle East seems now to be asserting itself. Sunni and Shia align with Sunni and Shia, as Protestants and Catholics did in 17th-century Europe. Ethiopia and Sudan split. Mali and Nigeria may be next. While world attention is focused on Aleppo and when Bashar Assad might fall, Syria itself may be about to disintegrate. In Syria's northeast, a Kurdish minority of 2 to 3 million with ethnic ties to Iraqi Kurdistan and 15 million Kurds in Turkey seems to be dissolving its ties to Damascus. A Kurdish nation carved out of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran would appear to be a casus belli for all four nations. Yet in any natural map of the world, there would be a Kurdistan. The Sunni four-fifths of the Syrian population seems fated to rise and the Muslim Brotherhood to rule, as happened in Egypt. The fall of Assad and his Shia Alawite minority would be celebrated by the Sunni across the border in Iraq's Anbar province, who would then have a powerful new ally in any campaign to recapture Sunni lands lost to Iraqi Shia. With its recent murderous attacks inside Iraq, al-Qaida seems to be instigating a new Sunni-Shia war to tear Iraq apart. The fall of the Alawites in Damascus would end the dream of a Shia crescent - Iran, Iraq, Syria and Hezbollah - leave Hezbollah isolated, and conceivably lead to a renewal of Lebanon's sectarian and civil war. The losers in all this? Certainly Iran, which seems fated to lose its only Arab ally, Syria, and its land link to Hezbollah. That would make Israel a winner. But Israel's situation appears more perilous than it was a decade ago. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood has replaced Hosni Mubarak, who kept the peace in Sinai and the lid on Hamas. Recently, new Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi met with Hamas' Khaled Meshaal at the presidential palace in Cairo. The Sinai is becoming a no man's land where terrorists plot and Africans cross to Israel. To Israel's east, there is no true peace with the Palestinians, and the Jordanian throne has rarely been shakier. On the Golan Heights, quiet for decades, the future may see Syrian troops loyal to a militant Sunni regime in Damascus. Hezbollah sits on Israel's northern border. Beyond is a Turkey no longer friendly. Israel is blaming the atrocity in Bulgaria, in which Israeli tourists were massacred, on Iran. But neither the Bulgarians nor the Americans appear to know who did it. And why would the Iranians, who, following the slaughter, publicly denounced such atrocities against civilians, do it? Were an Iranian hand to be found in this act of barbarism, it would give Israel justification for an attack, igniting a war in which America could be dragged in. Why would Iran want a war with the United States when that would mean destruction of its air force, navy, missile force and nuclear program, a crippling blockade and perhaps destruction of its vital oil facilities on Kharg Island? Whoever was behind the attack on the Israeli tourists seems to want a war between the Jewish state of Israel and the Shia state of Iran. Who would benefit from such a war? Answer: Al-Qaida, which, during the Iraq War, urged the United States to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age. An al-Qaida affiliate has also attacked Israeli vacationers before, at Egyptian resorts on the Gulf of Aqaba. "There is an international plot against Gulf states in particular and Arab countries in general . to take over our fortunes," says Dubai's chief of police. "I had no idea that there is this large number of Muslim Brotherhood in the Gulf states." What is al-Qaida's goal? Ignite Sunni-Shia wars and Muslim-Christian clashes in Arab states. Draw in the Americans to smash Iran. And when the Sunni are ascendant, expel the Americans and Christians, isolate Israel and set about creating the caliphate of Osama bin Laden's dream. If a U.S. war on Iran is good for al-Qaida, how can it be good or us? ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #210 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)