From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #223 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, August 21 2012 Volume 15 : Number 223 In this issue: Nipawin getaway a thank you for soldiers Re: Shell casings in hall; ERT called and building evacuated Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership Long gun issue becomes political powder keg at region Utah man held in Niagara Falls after gun found at border crossing There must be something the matter CBC - Nunavut hunters asked to help set harvest limits ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:11:15 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Nipawin getaway a thank you for soldiers http://www.thestarphoenix.com/health/Nipawin+getaway+thank+soldiers/7120566/story.html Nipawin getaway a thank you for soldiers By Creeson Agecoutay, The StarPhoenix August 21, 2012 Sometimes saying thank you is not enough, and one organization is taking that gesture to another level by hosting a weekend getaway in Nipawin for more than 100 wounded soldiers from Canada and the U.S. The Wounded Warriors Weekend will serve as a way to help heal the pain soldiers struggle with after suffering serious, long-term injuries such as brain damage or loss of a limb. Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is also a common mental health issue many soldiers develop from fighting in war. "While we have had those who have had their flesh torn from them, we have far more that have had their souls torn from them," said Wayne Johnston, founder of Wounded Warriors, during an news conference in Saskatoon's Canadian Legion Branch No. 63. Many of the soldiers who will gather in the province this weekend have served time in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Iraq, many of whom have come home with physical and mental scars. Johnston views the event as a way to address the growing problem of PTSD and says it is a key for the health of today's soldiers and their families. "We as a nation need to discuss mental health and treat it as if it is a physical wound. It has to start sometime and it might as well start now. I know in my heart, the experience will change lives for the better," added Johnston, who served 39 years in the Canadian Forces, part of his service as a repatriation officer. Since it began in 2006, Wounded Warriors has assisted wounded soldiers and their families by hosting community fundraisers, dinners and concerts. The Thursday to Monday event will include sport fishing in the Saskatchewan River and Tobin Lake, golfing, a country music concert and many other dinner events to honour the soldiers for the sacrifices they have made. "We started out with 40 (soldiers), 60 and then 70, and how could you say no?" said Blake Emmons, a Vietnam War veteran and director of Wounded Warriors Weekend. Emmons says he has been receiving calls from soldiers wanting to join the event during the week. A challenge has been made to Saskatoon to get more than 1,000 supporters out for the Wounded Warriors arrival from Saskatoon to Nipawin. "We can show that we support them in all of the challenges that they face," added Brenda Fredrickson, president of Legion's Elrose branch, who also helped organize the event. "We want to show (these soldiers) that they are not alone. In little towns across this country, there are people who support them and are just waiting for direction to show how they can help." The soldiers will begin arriving at the Saskatoon airport on Thursday at 2: 45 p.m. and depart from the airport at 3: 30 p.m. by parade, where the North Saskatchewan Regiment Pipe and Drums band, Saskatoon Legion Branch No. 63 flag party and the North Saskatchewan Regiment honour guard will lead the way. The parade will begin south on Airport Drive to Cynthia Street to Avenue C and then north on Avenue C/51st Street to the access ramp of Highway 11 to the East Service Road, then on to the Flying J near Wholesale Sports. The soldiers will arrive by motorcade in Prince Albert at 5 p.m. for a dinner at the Northern Lights Casino. During the soldier's departure on Monday, organizers are asking motorcyclists to gather in Wakaw at 10 a.m. for a motorcycle escort. Fredrickson hopes the dozens of soldiers who attend this weekend's event take home a sense of peace and relief and that many people will take part in the soldier's arrival and sendoff. "This is our chance to stand on guard for our wounded soldiers." For more information visit, www.woundedwarriors. ca. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Shell casings in hall; ERT called and building evacuated - --- On Tue, 8/21/12, mikeack wrote: > I think all lawful shooters should start dribbling a few > cases here and > there as they go about their lawful business. Parking lots, > mall > washrooms, sidewalks etc. > > After a couple of weeks, the public will be acclimatized to > what was in > happier times a commonplace bit of litter and will stop > calling 911 for > spent casings. I think you might be on to something here, Dr. Mike! It would start costing them bagloads of money to respond to these. Just make sure that you wipe your prints off them, and make sure you don't shit in your own back yard, as it were. Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:48:32 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/21/temple-massacre-has-some-sikhs-mulling-gun-ownership/ Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership "Sometimes the police are not able to arrive in time." (Sim Singh, Florida law clerk and practicing Sikh) By Maxim Lott Published August 21, 2012 FoxNews.com The Sikh temple massacre prompted calls for stricter gun control, but some members of the India-based faith -- who carry ceremonial knives -- are considering taking up firearms in light of the tragedy. Sikhs are rattled after the horrific Aug. 5 shooting in Oak Creek, Wis., in which Wade Michael Page opened fire for no apparent reason before a police officer gunned him down. Although the religion teaches tolerance and good deeds, some believe arming themselves could be the best protection against hate crimes that have too frequently been perpetrated by assailants who mistake them for Muslims. Page's own motive is unclear, though he was a known white supremacist. At a news conference after the shooting, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an ardent supporter of gun control, appeared with several Sikh leaders and called for stricter gun laws to stop such attacks in the future. "Every day 34 Americans are murdered with guns," Bloomberg said during a press conference with Sikh leaders. "The fact that criminals, terrorists and other mentally ill people have access to guns is a national crisis." But the Sikhs who spoke at the same press conference never mentioned gun laws. Sikhs are split about the issue, and some say that the Wisconsin tragedy has made them consider getting a permit to carry a gun for self-defense. "The way the world is changing, I think I need to think about carrying a gun now," Rajwinder Singh, the President of a Sikh Temple in Las Vegas, told FoxNews.com. The Sikh religion requires males to carry a dagger -- known as a "Kirpan" -- for the protection of themselves and others, at all times. "Our prophet said we should protect ourselves, and protect those who cannot defend themselves. He made sure that every [Sikh man] should carry a weapon," Rajwinder Singh said. He added that in the U.S., most Sikhs carry miniature Kirpans so as not to run afoul of state and local ordinances against knives. Where the laws are less strict, they often carry real weapons. "In India, you see people carrying 10- inch, 11-inch Kirpans," Singh said. "That really can protect you if something happens. "And now I know why my prophet says that I should carry a Kirpan. He saw that people should have some kind of protection." The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin. "No guns [were] allowed in the temple," Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. "Everyone knows that it's not allowed, anywhere in the temple." Still, some Sikhs support stricter gun laws in the hope that it will prevent dangerous people from getting guns. Sim J. Singh and Rajwinder Singh both said that reliable background checks and some limits on firepower seemed reasonable. Others went further. "A gun can harm somebody. I never even think about owning a gun," said Maninder Arora, a practicing Sikh in Hartford, Conn., who owns a Liberty Tax Services franchise. "I know the gun lobby is strong. But at least they should put restrictions on the size of the gun, or the quantity of guns. My cousins -- they have 3 or 4 guns, which is not right," he added, saying that he would rather put his faith in the legal system. "We have a system where cops can arrive anywhere in a few minutes. In the [Wisconsin shooting] situation, the officer was there in about four minutes." Gurdev Singh Mann, the president of a Sikh temple in Renton, Wash., agreed about gun laws. "Gun laws should be more strict. When giving guns to people, it's better if we check with a judge, look at their behavior and everything," he said. Arora added that times have changed since carrying the Kirpan was mandated by the Sikh guru Gobind Singh in the year 1699. "Carrying a Kirpan is part of our religion. if you think about our history. at that time it was a necessity for protection. the cops or the police were on horses. There was no telephone. Somebody had to run to where the officer was. But now, look at the technology. The way the technology is going, maybe the officers will soon be there in two minutes, rather than four minutes." Sim Singh, however, said that he personally carries a gun because he cannot rely on police arriving soon enough. "Sometimes the police are not able to arrive in time," Sim Singh said. "I do not believe stronger gun control is the right solution, as it ends up hurting the law-abiding citizens from having the option to defend themselves with guns when necessary." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 21, 2012 2:13 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Long gun issue becomes political powder keg at region Long gun issue becomes political powder keg at region By Paige Desmond, Record staff - Mon Aug 20 2012 http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/784031--long-gun-issue-becomes-political-powder-keg-at-region WATERLOO REGION - Regional councillors are backing a crime prevention group that wants to keep data on gun ownership from being destroyed in October. The Waterloo Region Crime Prevention Council asked councillors to help lobby the province to keep the records. It says keeping the information could help police trace firearms on a national scale and keep people safe. The federal government approved a bill in April to abolish the long-gun registry and delete records associated with it. Long guns include shotguns and rifles. But not everyone is on board. "I probably have as many people that support the retention of the long gun registry as support eliminating the data," Coun. Rob Deutschmann said. The registry keeps data on gun ownership and sales. Gun owners will need licences and the registry for restricted and prohibited firearms such as hand guns will continue. Anthony Piscitelli, a member of the crime prevention group, said lobbying could keep Ontario's records intact. "It would help protect the data in Ontario." Coun. Geoff Lorentz said the registry was a federal issue. But Coun. Jane Mitchell said councillors should heed the advice of law enforcement. "We heard in 2010 that the police chiefs and the police think that this is a very important way to prevent crime," Mitchell said. Toronto and Mississauga city councils have passed similar motions and the Government of Quebec filed an injunction in Superior Court to delay the destruction of its records. It wants to start its own provincial registry with the records. As of September last year, there were more than 523,000 valid gun licences in Ontario. More than 2.3 million firearms were registered in the province. Most were long guns. Between 2006 and September last year 2,768 licence applications were denied and more than 11,700 were revoked, according to the crime prevention council. The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has said the destruction of the registry would add challenges and restrictions to their work. Prime Minister Stephen Harper is fulfilling a campaign promise by scrapping the registry. His government says it's wasteful and ineffective but the move has drawn criticism from victims' rights activists and police. Coun. Jane Brewer didn't support lobbying the province. "I have problems with it but that's my bias," she said. pdesmond@therecord.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 21, 2012 5:10 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Utah man held in Niagara Falls after gun found at border crossing CTV - Utah man held in Niagara Falls after gun found at border crossing The Associated Press - Published Tuesday, Aug. 21, 2012 7:15AM EDT http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/utah-man-held-in-niagara-falls-after-gun-found-at-border-crossing-1.922894 SALT LAKE CITY -- A Utah man's motorcycle visit to Niagara Falls turned into a nightmare when Canadian border agents found him packing a gun that his father said Monday his son didn't know was prohibited in that country. Kraig Jacobson was jailed for 18 days and ordered to wait months for a trial, and a Canadian prosecutor is demanding he serve four to six months in prison for smuggling and lying to a border agent, Gordon Jacobson told The Associated Press. "He's feeling like he's in the `Twilight Zone,"' Gordon Jacobson said, adding that his son made an honest mistake July 15 at a border station at Niagara Falls, Ontario. Kraig Jacobson said he was carrying the handgun for protection from animals while camping on his six-week road trip and wilderness outing, and planned to enter Canada to view Niagara Falls only for minutes before turning around. "It's just really hard to prove I didn't have criminal intent to sell guns up here," said the 26-year-old college student. "There are a lot of Americans being held up here in the same situation." Kraig Jacobson said he met other Americans being held in Canadian jail on similar gun charges -- people he said were on vacation and unaware of the country's handgun prohibitions. He said handguns are strictly regulated in Ontario and can be transported by Canadians only to a gun range after notice to police. "The mentality up here is people only have handguns to commit crimes. That's how they view me," he said. "If we can make other Americans aware of this, maybe others won't fall in the same trap." Canadian prosecutors refused to answer any questions about Jacobson's legal status. His defense lawyer Bobbie A. Walker didn't immediately return a message. Kraig Jacobson said he initially failed to declare the gun in a locked trunk behind the seat of his Kawasaki motorcycle but disclosed it to a second border agent when he was pulled over for a search. He was arrested, held at Niagara Detention Centre, then released on bail on the condition he remains in Ontario for a trial scheduled for Jan. 24. He is staying with Canadian relatives of his Utah neighbors. Jacobson is from Alpine, a town 23 miles south of Salt Lake City. His family believed he would be fined and deported, not held for months stuck in a country he can't leave and facing possible prison time. His friends have started a petition seeking his release by Canadian authorities. Jacobson, who turns 27 on Wednesday, was initially charged with a gun violation, malicious smuggling and lying to a border agent. Canadian authorities dropped the gun charge, his father said, because they didn't believe he intended to violate gun laws. Kraig Jacobson and his brother Kevin were 10 days into their motorcycle adventure when they crossed the bridge into Canada. The brother was not arrested. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:15:19 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: There must be something the matter My long dead neighbour once said: ''there must be something the matter with MY guns, they haven't left the house and killed anyone'' Joe posted: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/21/temple-massacre-has-some-sikhs-mulling-gun-ownership/ Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership "Sometimes the police are not able to arrive in time." you're kidding aren't you?? (Sim Singh, Florida law clerk and practicing Sikh) By Maxim Lott e Published August 21, 2012 FoxNews.com The Sikh temple massacre prompted calls for stricter gun control, but some members of the India-based faith -- who carry ceremonial knives -- are considering taking up firearms in light of the tragedy. Sikhs are rattled after the horrific Aug. 5 shooting in Oak Creek, Wis., in which Wade Michael Page opened fire for no apparent reason before a police officer gunned him down. Although the religion teaches tolerance and good deeds, some believe arming themselves could be the best protection against hate crimes that have too frequently been perpetrated by assailants who mistake them for Muslims. Page's own motive is unclear, though he was a known white supremacist. Gamil Gharbi was NOT a white supremicist . . he was the reason for C-68 . . At a news conference after the shooting, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an ardent supporter of gun control, appeared with several Sikh leaders and called for stricter gun laws to stop such attacks in the future. "Every day 34 Americans are murdered with guns," Bloomberg said during a press conference with Sikh leaders. ( fact: more a killed by doctors) "The fact that criminals, terrorists and other mentally ill people have access to guns is a national crisis." But the Sikhs who spoke at the same press conference never mentioned gun laws. Sikhs are split about the issue, and some say that the Wisconsin tragedy has made them consider getting a permit to carry a gun for self-defense. "The way the world is changing, I think I need to think about carrying a gun now," Rajwinder Singh, the President of a Sikh Temple in Las Vegas, told FoxNews.com. The Sikh religion requires males to carry a dagger -- known as a "Kirpan" -- for the protection of themselves and others, at all times. "Our prophet said we should protect ourselves, and protect those who cannot defend themselves. He made sure that every [Sikh man] should carry a weapon," Rajwinder Singh said. He added that in the U.S., most Sikhs carry miniature Kirpans so as not to run afoul of state and local ordinances against knives. Where the laws are less strict, they often carry real weapons. "In India, you see people carrying 10- inch, 11-inch Kirpans," Singh said. "That really can protect you if something happens. "And now I know why my prophet says that I should carry a Kirpan. He saw that people should have some kind of protection." The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin. "No guns [were] allowed in the temple," Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. "Everyone knows that it's not allowed, anywhere in the temple." Still, some Sikhs support stricter gun laws in the hope that it will prevent dangerous people from getting guns. Sim J. Singh and Rajwinder Singh both said that reliable background checks and some limits on firepower seemed reasonable. Others went further. "A gun can harm somebody. I never even think about owning a gun," ( Len sez: actually, gun can't harm anyone . . by itself ) said Maninder Arora, a practicing Sikh in Hartford, Conn., who owns a Liberty Tax Services franchise. "I know the gun lobby is strong. But at least they should put restrictions on the size of the gun, or the quantity of guns. My cousins -- they have 3 or 4 guns, which is not right," he added, saying that he would rather put his faith in the legal system. "We have a system where cops can arrive anywhere in a few minutes. In the [Wisconsin shooting] situation, the officer was there in about four minutes." Gurdev Singh Mann, the president of a Sikh temple in Renton, Wash., agreed about gun laws. "Gun laws should be more strict. When giving guns to people, it's better if we check with a judge, look at their behavior and everything," he said. Arora added that times have changed since carrying the Kirpan was mandated by the Sikh guru Gobind Singh in the year 1699. "Carrying a Kirpan is part of our religion. if you think about our history. at that time it was a necessity for protection. the cops or the police were on horses. There was no telephone. Somebody had to run to where the officer was. But now, look at the technology. The way the technology is going, maybe the officers will soon be there in two minutes, rather than four minutes." Sim Singh, however, said that he personally carries a gun because he cannot rely on police arriving soon enough. "Sometimes the police are not able to arrive in time," Sim Singh said. ## The cops didn't arrive until AFTER Bob and Bonnie Dagenais were murdered . . "I do not believe stronger gun control is the right solution, as it ends up hurting the law-abiding citizens from having the option to defend themselves with guns when necessary." Len Miller from Vancouver where our MP's mislead ( lie July 27 . . ) to us . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 21, 2012 9:01 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: CBC - Nunavut hunters asked to help set harvest limits CBC - Nunavut hunters asked to help set harvest limits Wildlife Board asking hunters identify their narwhal, beluga and walrus needs CBC News - Last Updated: Aug 21, 2012 11:46 AM CT http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2012/08/21/north-nunavut-hunt-limits.html The Nunavut Wildlife Management Board is asking hunters in the territory to identify the number of narwhal, beluga and walrus they harvest every year. The board will hold public meetings soon, and it wants the information to be able to set appropriate hunting limits for the animals. "Sometimes, because of unrealistic restrictions imposed upon us, it is important that hunters identify what they need to feed their families, in accordance with the land claims agreement," said James Eetoolook, the vice-president of Nunavut Tunngavik, speaking in Inuktitut. Eetoolook said Inuit and government had problems agreeing on basic needs levels for those species during land claims negotiations, so they agreed to set the limits at a later date. Now, Eetoolook is asking hunters to talk with their local hunters and trappers organizations before the public hearing takes place. The public meetings will be held in Iqaluit Sept. 11 and 12. The board will set harvesting limits some time after that. - ---------------------------- CBC - Focus on facts and safety, deer hunt supporters say New hunters may need additional training CBC News - Last Updated: Aug 21, 2012 8:24 AM ET http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/story/2012/08/21/tby-deer-hunt-reax.html As the deadline for the start of Thunder Bay's first-ever urban deer hunt approaches, some observers are worried over misinformation circulating in the community and a possible lack of safety education. The head of the Northwestern Ontario Sportsman's Alliance said he's satisfied with the city's handling of the upcoming urban deer hunt, although he believes some misinformation about the hunt has been generated to create controversy, and is not based on fact. "There is some rumour mill out there that the Mission Islands are going to be targeted and that is just not true," John Kaplanis said. "That sort of thing is maybe some media hype to draw some negative attention to this hunt." Kaplanis said the city should be commended for being proactive in managing the city's growing deer herd and that anyone paying attention knows the rules and boundaries of Thunder Bay's new urban deer hunt. SAFETY CONCERNS But even if people are paying attention to the rules, new hunters may need a bit more education to safely engage in the deer hunt. According to Thunder Bay master archery instructor, Alex Gouthro, hunter training is mandatory for new archers but bow training isn't. While he said he supports the urban hunt, he has concerns about the number of new archers that may be taking part. Gouthro noted the use of tree stands during the hunt can create safety issues for the rookie bow hunter. "One out of three people who use tree stands on a regular basis will have a fall from a tree stand," he said. "So if they are not using proper harnesses there could be serious consequences." Gouthro said he's prepared to offer new bow hunters in the city a condensed basic archery and safety course. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #223 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)