From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #473 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, January 12 2013 Volume 15 : Number 473 In this issue: [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:30:29 -0800 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: CSSA on self-defense-Jan. 3 bulletin > As a national organization that promotes the shooting sports, CSSA > does not actively support paintball sports because it involves aiming > a "firearm" at another person. We fully understand the attraction of > war games and many CSSA members enjoy taking part in paintball events. > But, to remain consistent with basic firearms safety best practices, > the CSSA does not promote activities that promote aiming any > projectile at a human being. Whether you like it or not, paintball, ultrasoft and laser tag are all sports. If you are to be consistent with "basic firearms safety best practices" you would also boycott nearly every movie, TV show and video game because all involve pointing guns at people. > The right to self- defense has nothing to do with firearms. Firearms > are merely one of many tools available to ensure a higher degree of > efficiency when confronted by a pumped-up, intoxicated, testosterone- > filled 25-year-old career criminal. If you support licensing and gun club membership before anyone is allowed to have a handgun, would you also support membership in a golf club and a handicap rating before allowing anyone to own golf clubs? After all, sporting equipment is just sporting equipment, or are you being coy and elitist? > We are the first to admit that it's unfortunate that the human condition > evolved to the point where the option must be discussed, but changing the > evolution of humanity is beyond our power or the scope of this commentary. > This discussion is now necessary, but it comes too late for too many. > When a public safety measure comes too late, surely we can conclude that > its time has come. Can you no longer hold your nose and ignore reality? Bloody hell, you wouldn't recognize reality if it kicked in your door and stuck a gun in your face. It's people like you that support such murderous legislation as the firearms act! The more the "human condition evolves" the more certain we are to need firearms. It's not about hunting and target shooting. It never was; the Indians lived for thousands of years hunting with arrows, spears and traps. Darts and a pint satisfy the gentlemanly desire for affable companionship. Why do you need guns? I suspect you are hypocrites who hide behind whatever rules are put in place rather than work to overturn them. Like the Brits before their guns were confiscated, you believe that if you follow the rules you will be OK Jack. Can't you see where our gun laws are going? Pity. Clive Edwards "What is a slave? He's someone who is deprived by force of the fruits of his labor." - Doug Casey In most cases force isn't necessary. - Clive Edwards ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:39:05 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Grassroots pro-gun groups prepare to battle proposed restrictions Didn't Canadian gun groups do this opposing Bill C-68, then many of them made covert deals with the government. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/11/pro-gun-grassroots-prepare-for-campaign-battle-over-proposed-restrictions/?intcmpHPBucket Grassroots pro-gun groups prepare to battle proposed restrictions Published January 11, 2013 FoxNews.com First came the presidential campaign. That was followed by another campaign -- between the White House and congressional Republicans -- over the fiscal crisis and tax hikes. It appears inevitable the next campaign, one that will be waged across the country, will focus on gun control. Both sides of the debate are gearing up for a political battle as Vice President Biden prepares to submit recommendations to President Obama by Tuesday on ways to curb gun violence. Those proposals are the result of a month-long policy review in the wake of the Connecticut school massacre. But while the National Rifle Association has called for increased school security and a long, hard look at the entertainment industry as part of that plan, gun groups say the Biden task force appears likely to focus on firearms restrictions. In anticipation of those proposals being formally submitted, pro-gun organizations are starting to band together. Already, activists are planning a nationwide "Gun Appreciation Day" on Jan. 19, two days before the inauguration. Organizers hope it will rival the so-called "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" protests from last year. Meanwhile, firearms manufacturers and organizations are seeing a big spike in activity. The NRA says 100,000 people joined in the last 20 days. They expect that what they call the "attack" on the Second Amendment will boost their membership from 4.2 million to 5 million. The recent uptick in background checks also suggests gun sales at shops and shows across the country are skyrocketing. In December, background checks reached a record 2.78 million. For all of 2012, the number of checks was 19.5 million, a 19 percent increase over 2011. As with any campaign, expect a lot of money to be involved. At first blush, the gun-rights groups appear to enter with the upper hand. The NRA reportedly spent more than $20 million on federal election campaigns last year, while gun control groups contributed just $4,000. But those groups, many of which met with Biden's task force Wednesday, could be getting more involved as the administration reportedly starts to organize religious leaders and other groups to address gun violence. And former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was seriously wounded in a mass shooting in January 2011, has organized the Americans for Responsible Solutions political action committee to help counter the well-funded pro-gun lobby. The group wants to raise $20 million for the 2014 congressional elections. And while the NRA is boosting its membership, so is the national group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which attracted more than 400,000 new members since the Connecticut shooting. Biden on Friday was finishing up a week of virtually back-to-back meetings on gun violence. He met earlier with gun-control groups, and then on Thursday with the NRA and other firearms and sportsmen organizations. He met with representatives from the entertainment industry Thursday evening and with representatives from the video-game industry Friday. He has said the recommendations being seriously considered include "universal background checks" and limits on high-capacity magazines. Fox News' Carl Cameron contributed to this report. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:51:56 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Northampton police may use student statements in high school ... ...threat investigation http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/01/northampton_police_may_use_stu.html Northampton police may use student statements in high school threat investigation By Fred Contrada, The Republican January 11, 2013 NORTHAMPTON - Police are hoping that a statement signed by Northampton High School students to take threats seriously will give them a new lead in their investigation into a Dec. 19 incident that emptied the school shortly after the Newtown shootings. A threatening note was found in one of the high school bathrooms that day, five days after a gunman killed 20 students and teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. Police and school officials evacuated the building shortly before the normal high school dismissal time. On Dec. 21, students at the high school were asked to write a statement in reference to the threat acknowledging that they take such matter seriously and share the concern of police and school administrators about safety. The statement has been described as a joint effort by police, the high school administration and the Northwestern District Attorney's Office. Police say they will use the statements to aid in their investigation of the threat, perhaps matching the handwriting with that of one of the students. Police Chief Russell P. Sienkiewicz said District Attorney David E. Sullivan has confirmed that the method is valid and legal. Sienkiewicz has said that police take such threats seriously and noted the crime is punishable under state law by a minimum of three years in jail. He added Wednesday that it is also part of his department's community care mission to identify and help troubled individuals. "We disagree that it violates student rights," he said. Sullivan released a statement saying that the bottom line is ensuring the safety of students. "We take any threats against children seriously and investigate all such threats," he said. "The alleged threat at Northampton High School was of a serious nature." ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:06:34 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Buchanan, Is Hagel out of the main stream? http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/11/buchanan-is-hagel-out-of-the-mainstream/ Buchanan, Is Hagel out of the main stream? By: Patrick J. Buchanan 1/11/2013 01:09 AM "Chuck Hagel is out of the mainstream of thinking . on most issues regarding foreign policy," says GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham. Neocon William Kristol concurs: Hagel is "out on the fringes." But where, exactly, is the mainstream on foreign policy in 2013? Since the Bush II years, "the three amigos" - Sens. Graham, John McCain and Joe Lieberman - have clamored for new wars. "We are all Georgians now!" thundered McCain when Vladimir Putin was thrashing the Georgians for attacking South Ossetia. "Bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb Iran," trilled McCain in 2008 in parody of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann." Ten days ago, McCain, Graham and Lieberman urged the U.S. to impose a no-fly zone over Syria, provide weapons to the rebels and send Patriot missile batteries to protect northern Syria. And what has been the response to their calls for air strikes and new wars? The sound of silence. George W. Bush ignored McCain on Georgia, and in 2008 McCain was crushed by a dovish Democrat who had opposed the Iraq War. Like Hagel, who voted for the Iraq War, a majority of Americans have come to believe that 8-year war was a mistake. Even some neocons have expressed second thoughts. Obama pulled all U.S. troops out of Iraq and is pulling them out of Afghanistan, and he won easy re-election over the more hawkish Mitt Romney. And has anyone heard any echo of the amigos' call to plunge into Syria's civil war, outside the editorial pages of The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal, and the little magazines of the neocons? Let's do our nation-building here at home, Obama said in the debates. Any doubt this idea had been poll-tested as a winner? How many Americans today are saying that what we did in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan was worth doing and should serve as America's model for dealing with Syria and Iran? From 2001 to 2005, McCain, Graham and Lieberman were in the mainstream. Those were the days of bipartisan votes for war, of "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists," of our goal being "to end tyranny in our world." Those were the days of the democracy crusade of George W. Bush. But that was yesterday. The crusade is over. Americans want the crusaders home. This is not an argument for mindlessly seeking out and parroting mainstream thought. If the amigos believe that intervening in Syria and war with Iran are essential to the national security, they should continue to say so. Nothing wrong with being out of step with majority opinion, if that is where one believes that truth and wisdom lie. But the amigos and neocons deceive themselves if they think that in their hostility to Hagel's views they occupy the mainstream. Set aside the nonsense about homophobia and anti-Semitism. What, at bottom, are Hagel's views? Where does he part company with much of the Senate GOP? What are the substantive disagreements? First, Hagel believes in direct communication with our enemies, be it Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran or Cuba. Second, he believes war is a last resort to be undertaken only after all diplomacy has failed, and war should not be undertaken unless vital interests are imperiled. Third, he believes a Pentagon budget as large as all the defense budgets of the other 190 nations combined is bloated and too big to carry when, as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Adm. Mike Mullen said, the deficit and debt are the greatest strategic threats to the United States. On communicating with enemies, was Richard Nixon, who rescued Israel in the Yom Kippur War, wrong to go to Egypt and Syria, and meet with Anwar Sadat and Hafez Assad, who had launched the war? Was Yitzhak Rabin wrong to negotiate with Yasser Arafat, his enemy, to achieve the Oslo Accords? Was Bibi Netanyahu wrong to give Hebron to Arafat or deal with Hamas for the return of Pvt. Gilad Shalit, in exchange for 1,000 Palestinian prisoners? Was it not absurd that, to get a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, both parties had to go to Hosni Mubarak, because the world's superpower does not allow itself to talk to Hamas? If we are going to cut a deal with Iran where it retains the right to peaceful nuclear power, but we get solid guarantees of no bomb, how do we do that without sending representatives to negotiate the deal with Iran? Is a nation that kept an embassy in the Third Reich eight years, whose presidents sat down with Stalin and Mao, now fearful of being contaminated by having to sit across a table from Raoul Castro? Hagel speaks for the realist school of foreign policy, and he can speak for the nation. For he reflects the views of a president who just won another decisive vote of confidence from that nation. Sorry, Sen. Graham, you are no longer in the mainstream. That river changed course, half a decade ago. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, January 11, 2013 11:49 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: RCMP officer in Halifax charged with assault after domestic ... ...violence allegation RCMP officer in Halifax charged with assault after domestic violence allegation Published on January 11, 2013 http://www.capebretonpost.com/News/Local/2013-01-11/article-3154910/RCMP-officer-in-Halifax-charged-with-assault-after-domestic-violence-allegation/1 HALIFAX (CP) - An RCMP officer in Halifax has been charged with assault after an allegation of domestic violence. The province's Serious Incident Response Team has laid three assault charges against a 30-year-old Mountie with the Sackville detachment. The RCMP arrested a man at a home in the community of Beaver Bank after a woman called 911 shortly after midnight on Jan. 5. The team says the charges against the five-year officer related to incidents alleged to have taken place between Dec. 30, 2012 and Jan. 5. Const. Zeran (Justin) Hutson Simmonds is due in Dartmouth provincial court on Feb. 20. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] From: Mikeack Date:20130112 Re: Why not help out? On 2013-01-12 10:55, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Subject: CSSA > Sender: Al Muir > Date: Jan 11/13 > > Well said Clive. > > We have a serious problem not only in the CSSA serving the governments > purposes but in their representing us in the media. It is important that > we point out that they do not represent us whenever and wherever possible > including by name in the media. I have never bought into the herding cats > argument. Our IN COMMON position in 1995 and at the Fed-Up rallies should > at all times have been our fall-back, line in the sand, position. Acting > otherwise was never leading. With the abandonment of these positions the > CSSA has proven to be unfit for leadership to the point of our being > better off without them. Sorry you guys feel that way. Why don't you join the CSSA, come to the meetings, vote for your board members, maybe even become one yourself, and have your say regarding what you think the CSSA's direction should be? That's what I did. -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:02:42 -0700 From: "Jim Szpajcher" Subject: Re: One step at a time, Len - > One step at a time . . which led to the treasonous ceding Canada > in 'support' of Israel, with 2.5 billions of our tax dollars. > while shutting down previously funded emergency measures > like the Kitsilano Coast Guard Station . . Elliot Lake Rescue . . > > > They never ASKED . . they just went ahead with it . . > > the frog is dead . . hard boiled . . My sociology textbook defines POWER as: the ability to carry out one's will, even over the resistance of others. It defines POLITICS as: the exercise of POWER and attempts to maintain or change power relations. Chretien wrote that the only reason to enter politics is the acquisition, the maintenance and the exercise of power. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Subject: Elephants Sender: Al Muir Date: Jan 12/13 The self defense elephant is "studiously avoided" because is "widely misunderstood by anti-gun advocates"? This forum exists to counter the fact that any firearms ownership for any reason is "widely misunderstood by anti-gun advocates". How many elephants are there in the CSSA's room? It must be tough keeping track of which ones they bite and which they ignore The CSSA decries hunters lack of knowledge of black guns while contributing to it. The are not herding cats they are biting their tail and chasing it in circles. CANADIAN SHOOTING SPORTS ASSOCIATION / CANADIAN INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION COMMENTARY: Self-defence policy is the elephant on the shooting range The Canadian Shooting Sports Association (CSSA) has studiously avoided engaging in the self-defence debate because the concept is widely misunderstood by anti-gun advocates. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:06:47 -0800 From: Todd Birch Subject: Proper Shooting Grip Subject: Proper Shooting Grip For my "carry" friends......You may encounter this technique when traveling in "the hood". It helps explain the "collateral damageā" resulting from "gangsta" shootings. Proper shooting grip http://www.youtube.com/embed/iDnEkFSMRik?rel=0&vq=medium&=amp;autoplay=1 ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sat, January 12, 2013 11:40 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Two columns worth reading Dear Mr. Security Agent by Matt Bracken Posted on January 7, 2013 | 34 Comments http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/bracken-dear-mr-security-agent/ Matt Bracken was born and raised in Baltimore, and graduated from the University of Virginia and Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL Training in 1979. He has written four novels about defending freedom in an era of steadily encroaching tyranny. Excerpts of his novels, and all of his recent essays, may be found at www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com . 1. The TSA: On the road to the American police state 2. Nobody needs an assault weapon! 3. Trust us, we're from the government. 4. The gun nuts 5. If it bleeds, it leads: The media love maniacs. 6. So what's the matter with gun registration? 7. The case of Switzerland 8. The Scapegoat Express 9. Dear Mr. Security Agent. ----------------------------------- Tyranny and the Monopoly of Arms [Originally ran as "Gun Laws" on October 15, 1970 in The Libertarian Forum.] Mises Daily: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 by Stephen P. Halbrook http://mises.org/daily/6321/Tyranny-and-the-Monopoly-of-Arms#.UNswz-tGzJ4.facebook ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:33:27 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Biden Looks to 'Smart Guns' as White House Moves to Curb ... ...Firearms http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Biden-technology-guns-owners/2013/01/11/id/471059?sl&promo_codeEBD-1 Biden Looks to 'Smart Guns' as White House Moves to Curb Firearms Friday, 11 Jan 2013 03:47 PM By Todd Beamon and Newsmax Wires Capping three days of meetings on ways to stem gun violence in light of the Connecticut shootings last month, Vice President Joe Biden said on Friday he was interested in technology that would keep a gun from being fired by anyone other than the person who bought it. And it became clear that President Barack Obama plans to push for a controversial ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines to stem gun violence in his State of the Union address next month. "Had the young man not had access to his mother's arsenal, he may or may not have been able to get a gun," Biden said on Friday, speaking of Newtown gunman, Adam Lanza, 20, who used weapons purchased by his mother to carry out the attack on an elementary school in the Connecticut town. Lanza killed his mother - Nancy, a gun enthusiast - at their home on Dec. 14 before heading to Sandy Hook Elementary School where he fatally shot 20 children and six adults. "We know that there is no silver bullet, no seat belt," Biden said before heading into a Friday meeting with representatives of the video game industry, the Associated Press reports. Technology for so-called "smart guns" is being developed, although, so far there has been little demand for it. Various techniques such as fingerprint recognition or the wearing of a magnetic ring would prevent anyone other than a weapon's registered owner from firing it. The National Rifle Association and other groups have come out against smart guns in the past and did not respond to a New York Times article on the subject this week. Instead, the NRA has placed most the blame for recent mass shootings on violent video games and lack of treatment for the mentally ill. Participants at Biden's Friday meeting included John Riccitiello, CEO of Electronic Arts, producer of the "Medal of Honor" franchise; Michael Gallagher, president and CEO of the Entertainment Software Association - and a representative of the Entertainment Software Ratings Board. The industry defended its practices - contending that violent crime, particularly among young people, has fallen since the early 1990s, while video games have increased in popularity. Cheryl Olson, a Boston-area researcher who led a groundbreaking two-year, $1.5 million research study on the effect of violent video games, who was at the session, said industry representatives were concerned about becoming a scapegoat in the wake of the Connecticut shootings. "The vice president made clear that he did not want to do that," Olson told the Associated Press. Studies vary on the effect of video games and other screen violence. Some conclude that such media can desensitize people to real-world violence or temporarily quiet part of the brain that governs impulse control. Other studies have concluded that no lasting effect exists. For instance, the American Academy of Pediatrics declared in a 2009 report, "The evidence is now clear and convincing: Media violence is one of the causal factors of real-life violence and aggression." The report focused on all types of media violence, the Associated Press reports. But for video games in particular, the pediatricians cited studies that found high exposure to violent ones increased physical aggression in the short term, and warned that they allow people to rehearse violent acts. On the other hand, the pediatricians' group said friendly video games could promote good behavior. "I come to this meeting with no judgment," Biden said at the start of Friday's two-hour meeting. "You all know the judgments other people have made. We're looking for help." The video games session was the latest in a series of meetings that began on Wednesday with interested parties in the gun debate as the vice president prepares the administration's response to the Connecticut shootings. Biden plans to have his recommendations to Obama by Tuesday. The Friday session followed a tense Thursday afternoon meeting with six guns-rights groups including the NRA which denounced the meeting as a strategy session on how to thwart the Second Amendment. "We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment," the gun group said in a statement. "While claiming that no policy proposals would be 'prejudged,' this task force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hard-working Americans." Chris Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist who attended the meeting, on Friday described it to Fox News as "a dog and pony show." "It became very clear, very early that they weren't looking to hear from gun owners, they were looking to blame gun owners," Cox said. NRA President David Keene said later Thursday that the association would not negotiate with the White House any on gun issues - and then told NBC News on Friday that the NRA had enough support in Congress to block any assault-weapons legislation. "I do not think that there's going to be a ban on so-called assault weapons passed by the Congress," Keene told the "Today" program. It is this defiance by the NRA, some participants in this week's meetings say, that has led President Obama to resort to his battle-tested strategy to circumvent the nation's largest gun-rights organization: projecting strength on an issue by trying to create the perception that the administration is riding the crest of support from the American people. The president successfully utilized the approach during his two White House campaigns and during the recent fiscal cliff negotiations, Politico reports. Throughout the week, the vice president met with a wide array of groups - from faith groups to hunters' organizations to victim-rights advocates to foundations to civic associations - even Wal-Mart, Comcast, Dick's Sporting Goods, and the Motion Picture Association of America. By the time Biden sat down with gun representatives on Thursday afternoon, he said that the consensus was growing for background checks for gun buyers at public shows and for banning high-capacity ammunition magazines. "There is an emerging set of recommendations - not coming from me, but coming from the groups we've met," Biden said earlier on Thursday. "I have a real tight window to do this. The public wants us to act." Biden told them that he and other administration officials, as they met with gun-control advocates and representatives of victims, repeatedly heard about the need for "near universal background checks" in firearms transactions, greater freedom for federal agencies to conduct research about gun crimes, and limiting the capacity of ammunition magazines. "There is a surprising - so far - a surprising recurrence of suggestions that we have universal background checks, not just close the gun show loophole but totally universal background checks including private sales," Biden said. Biden told the gun groups that Obama would seek a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. He plans to push for the measures in his Feb. 12 State of the Union address, the Associated Press reports. "The vice president said, 'I'm the vice president, not the president, and the president has already made his decisions about assault weapons and magazines,' " Richard Feldman, president of the Independent Firearm Owners Association, told Politico. And Biden played the purported groundswell of public support heavily in the meeting, too, Feldman said. The vice president told the gun groups that they would be wise to sign on to Obama's efforts to avoid public wrath. "He was really pushing us all to get with his program," Feldman told Politico. "He said that the public wants something done. "His argument was all these other groups he's met with, the Pentecostals and evangelicals and others, all of a sudden there is a different attitude," Feldman added. "The implication is they are more amenable now with going along, and so should you." A former lobbyist for gun manufacturers, Feldman now favors some middle ground on the issue, including the required background checks for gun-show purchases. To get any new legislation passed, the administration will need as many new allies in the fight as possible - especially faith leaders, Politico reports. "The vice president shared how he felt this was one of the most important meetings of all the meetings, that the faith leaders, the faith community has a very unique role in engaging in the moral persuasion necessary to address the gun challenges in our country," the Rev. Michael McBride, who was among a dozen leaders who met with Biden on Wednesday, said. McBride is a community organizer for the PICO Network, an alliance of faith-based organizations based in Oakland, Calif. He said Biden specifically asked the religious leaders to preach to their congregations about the importance of stronger gun laws. "He called upon us to take that seriously and that the administration and everyone involved is going to be looking to us to help to make that argument across the different faith traditions," McBride told Politico ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #473 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)