From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #494 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, January 18 2013 Volume 15 : Number 494 In this issue: [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: From: Subject: [none] From: "Dennis R. Young" Date: Thu, January 17, 2013 5:05 pm Alexander's Column - January 17, 2013 Sensible Gun Control Policy? The Assault Weapons Ban: Fact v Fiction http://patriotpost.us/alexander/16328/ "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams (1770) (Publisher's Note: If you are not a gun owner, you may be among millions of Americans who feel threatened by the unlawful possession and use of firearms. If so, you may also approve of the latest effort to enact "sensible gun control policy." I invite you to objectively consider this commentary, which is based on facts, including the latest information from the FBI and other aggregators of criminal data. It is not based on political agendas seeking to take advantage of the genuine emotional response all Americans feel when innocent men, women and children are murdered.) Read the rest here: http://patriotpost.us/alexander/16328/ ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] From: Larry James Fillo Subject: jew without a gun Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:26:22 -0600 This too long to post and too good not to, after all the guy is a screenwriter in Hollywood. This is his experience during the L.A. Riots. http://www.seraphicpress.com/jew-without-a-gun/ ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Safe Schools >> 12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with >> >proper training for active shooter situations. > One can hope this will include CCW training for school staff... The US Feds should encourage schools to have an armed response, but should not be the ones providing it. They are not capable of doing that effectively. A cornerstone of "armed response" should be the unknown. The killer cowards should know that if they go to a school with evil intentions they will be shot dead, but they should not know exactly who will be armed. Therefor, it is a mistake to "have teachers armed" or "have a police officer on station," especially if they are the social-worker type. Instead, the already in place and successful CCW framework should be adapted. Surely, all school personnel whether they be teacher or administrator or janitor or maintenance personnel are already vetted for security and reliability. Those amongst this group who wish to go through the CCW process and keep up to date and effective through routine re-qualification and practice are natural candidates. Naturally, to cover off for sick days, vacations etc. there has to be more than 1. Needless to say, in emergencies when police are called the fact that they have trained together would help with knowing who is who and in co-ordination of tactics. If the local police have "community policing" outposts in the community it would be a natural extension to have these in schools as much as possible. Again, not with the social worker type of hand-wringing quasi-cop, but real officers doing everyday policing out in the community rather than boring hall monitor duty. Thus, no one really knows in advance who the armed responders are and, in the community policing situation, how many police officers may be on site at any given time. If this was done, no doubt the killer-cowards would seek out `gun-free`` zones such as Democrat restaurants and movie theaters for their evil plans. But, people choosing to spend time at a `gun-free`` place have made the conscious decision to put their lives in the hands of killer-cowards. No doubt their feelings of moral superiority outweigh the chance of being slaughtered like a sheep. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ...Riots of 1992 JEW WITHOUT A GUN By ROBERT J. AVRECH | DECEMBER 18, 2012 http://www.seraphicpress.com/jew-without-a-gun/ I am republishing my three-part series about the Los Angeles Riots of 1992 in which Karen and I and the children were trapped for several frightening hours. We were unarmed, helpless save for our wits. The police were conspicuously absent and the bad guys, frequently armed with heavy weapons, owned the streets. It was a defining moment in my life. I'm reposting this series as a cautionary tale because the Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre has sharpened the claws of the statist utopians, whose ultimate aim is to disarm law-abiding American citizens. Just as Obamacare has nothing to do with health, and cap and trade has nothing to do with so-called global warming, anti-gun laws have nothing to do with saving children's lives. It's just another opportunity for the left to centralize power. Part One - Hollywood is Burning Part II - The Getaway Part III - The Gauntlet ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] I'm getting this message in big red letters when clicking the link in the original message: STOP! Bitdefender blocked this web page. The page you are trying to access contains malware. Details: Web Page: http://www.canadianoutdoorsman.net/ Access from your browser has been blocked. 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LOTT JR.: The Facts About Assault Weapons and Crime http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323468604578245803845796068.html?mod jemEditorialPage_h The Wall Street Journal OPINION January 17, 2013, 6:54 p.m. ET The Facts About Assault Weapons and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT JR. Warning about "weapons designed for the theater of war," President Obama on Wednesday called for immediate action on a new Federal Assault Weapons Ban. He said that "more of our fellow Americans might still be alive" if the original assault weapons ban, passed in 1994, had not expired in 2004. Last month, in the wake of the horrific shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.) promised to introduce an updated version of the ban. She too warned of the threat posed by "military weapons." After the nightmare of Newtown, their concern is understandable. Yet despite being at the center of the gun-control debate for decades, neither President Obama nor Ms. Feinstein (the author of the 1994 legislation) seems to understand the leading research on the effects of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. In addition, they continue to mislabel the weapons they seek to ban. Ms. Feinstein points to two studies by criminology professors Chris Koper and Jeff Roth for the National Institute of Justice to back up her contention that the ban reduced crime. She claims that their first study in 1997 showed that the ban decreased "total gun murders." In fact, the authors wrote: "the evidence is not strong enough for us to conclude that there was any meaningful effect (i.e., that the effect was different from zero)." Messrs. Koper and Roth suggested that after the ban had been in effect for more years it might be possible to find a benefit. Seven years later, in 2004, they published a follow-up study for the National Institute of Justice with fellow criminologist Dan Woods that concluded, "we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence." Moreover, none of the weapons banned under the 1994 legislation or the updated version are "military" weapons. The killer in Newtown used a Bushmaster .223. This weapon bears a cosmetic resemblance to the M-16, which has been used by the U.S. military since the Vietnam War. The call has frequently been made that there is "no reason" for such "military-style weapons" to be available to civilians. Yes, the Bushmaster and the AK-47 are "military-style weapons." But the key word is "style"-they are similar to military guns in their cosmetics, not in the way they operate. The guns covered by the original were not the fully automatic machine guns used by the military, but semiautomatic versions of those guns. The civilian version of the Bushmaster uses essentially the same sorts of bullets as small game-hunting rifles, fires at the same rapidity (one bullet per pull of the trigger), and does the same damage. The civilian version of the AK-47 is similar, though it fires a much larger bullet-.30 inches in diameter, as opposed to the .223 inch rounds used by the Bushmaster. No self-respecting military in the world would use the civilian version of these guns. A common question is: "Why do people need a semiautomatic Bushmaster to go out and kill deer?" The answer is simple: It is a hunting rifle. It has just been made to look like a military weapon. But the point isn't to help hunters. Semiautomatic weapons also protect people and save lives. Single-shot rifles that require you to physically reload the gun may not do people a lot of good when they are facing multiple criminals or when their first shot misses or fails to stop an attacker. Since the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired in September 2004, murder and overall violent-crime rates have fallen. In 2003, the last full year before the law expired, the U.S. murder rate was 5.7 per 100,000 people, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Report. By 2011, the murder rate fell to 4.7 per 100,000 people. One should also bear in mind that just 2.6% of all murders are committed using any type of rifle. The large-capacity ammunition magazines used by some of these killers are also misunderstood. The common perception that so-called "assault weapons" can hold larger magazines than hunting rifles is simply wrong. Any gun that can hold a magazine can hold one of any size. That is true for handguns as well as rifles. A magazine, which is basically a metal box with a spring, is trivially easy to make and virtually impossible to stop criminals from obtaining. The 1994 legislation banned magazines holding more than 10 bullets yet had no effect on crime rates. Ms. Feinstein's new proposal also calls for gun registration, and the reasoning is straightforward: If a gun has been left at a crime scene and it was registered to the person who committed the crime, the registry will link the crime gun back to the criminal. Nice logic, but in reality it hardly ever works that way. Guns are very rarely left behind at a crime scene. When they are, they're usually stolen or unregistered. Criminals are not stupid enough to leave behind guns that are registered to them. Even in the few cases where registered guns are left at crime scenes, it is usually because the criminal has been seriously injured or killed, so these crimes would have been solved even without registration. Canada recently got rid of its costly "long-gun" registry for rifles in part because the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Chiefs of Police could not provide a single example in which tracing was of more than peripheral importance in solving a gun murder. If we finally want to deal seriously with multiple-victim public shootings, it's time that we acknowledge a common feature of these attacks: With just a single exception, the attack in Tucson last year, every public shooting in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed since at least 1950 has occurred in a place where citizens are not allowed to carry their own firearms. Had some citizens been armed, they might have been able to stop the killings before the police got to the scene. In the Newtown attack, it took police 20 minutes to arrive at the school after the first calls for help. The Bushmaster, like any gun, is indeed very dangerous, but it is not a weapon "designed for the theater of war." Banning assault weapons will not make Americans safer. Mr. Lott is a former chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission and the author of "More Guns, Less Crime" (University of Chicago Press, third edition, 2010). A version of this article appeared January 18, 2013, on page A15 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: The Facts About Assault Weapons and Crime. Copyright 2012 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] From: Mikeack Date: 20130118 Re: The next bloodbath On 2013-01-18 00:34, 10X wrote: > The gun control movement of Anti gun owners in the U.S. was set back. They > were not defeated. They are regrouping and waiting for the next blood bath > to promote their agenda. I wouldn't put it past them to somehow engineer the next one... -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] From: "Joe Gingrich" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:35:20 -0600 http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/cruz-obama-gun-control/2013/01/17/id/471982?s=al&promo_code=1209B-1 Cruz: 'Obama Exploiting the Murder of Children' Thursday, 17 Jan 2013 08:55 PM By Stephen Feller Republican Sen. Ted Cruz said President Barack Obama is "exploiting the murder of children" to push an extreme anti-gun agenda that much of the country opposes. Cruz told Laura Ingraham on her radio show that Obama was "high on his own power," and that Democrats overall would pay a political price for the president's crackdown on citizens that have not broken laws and are only exercising their constitutional rights. "He is feeling right now high on his own power, and he is pushing on every front, on guns," Cruz said. "And I think it's really sad to see the president of the United States exploiting the murder of children and using it to push his own extreme, anti-gun agenda. "I think what the president is proposing and the gun control proposals that are coming from Democrats in the Senate are, number one, unconstitutional, and number two, they don't work. They're bad policy." Cruz said that the Democrats he has seen on television in recent weeks, "a bunch of rich, northeastern liberals who don't own guns [and] don't know anybody who owns guns" are making a big mistake that will be paid for by voters in red states in the 2014 midterm elections. "There have got to be some Democrats who are up for reelection in 2014 who are very, very nervous right now that President Obama is picking this fight," Cruz said. "The citizens of their states are not interested in the federal government banning gun ownership for law-abiding citizens. That's part of what this does, is ban certain categories of weapons being owned by people who have never broken the law." ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] From: "Joe Gingrich" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:59:33 -0600 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/18/senate-dems-noncommittal-on-obama-gun-control-plan/?test=latestnews Senate Dems hesitant on Obama gun control plan 'Many of the Democrats voicing concern are up for re-election in 2014.' Published January 18, 2013 FoxNews.com President Obama's gun-control package was always going to be a tough sell in the Republican-led House -- but the plan is already running into resistance, or at least hesitation, from moderate Democrats in the Senate. The lukewarm response in the Senate to Obama's highly anticipated anti-gun violence plan portends an uphill climb for the legislation. And it underscores how, as the president's backers prepare to launch a veritable campaign to promote the plan, they will be pressuring members of their own party as much as reluctant Republicans. No Democrat in the Senate came out against Obama's gun plan. But several appeared to be on the fence or noncommittal, even as the president's allies in the House cheered the package as a long-sought solution to America's gun violence problem. "We must find a way to balance our Second Amendment rights with the challenges of mental illness, criminal behavior and the safety of our schools and communities," Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., said in a statement, noting Louisiana's tradition of hunting, target shooting and gun collecting. She said she would give the proposals "serious consideration." The president on Wednesday called for a new and stronger assault-weapons ban as well as a 10-round cap on magazines and universal background checks. The last assault-weapons ban expired in 2004 amid questions about its effectiveness and political considerations. The shocking mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., has renewed interest in seeking a stricter crackdown on weapons that do the most damage -- yet more than a decade later, lawmakers remain leery about the perception of infringing on Second Amendment rights. Many of the Democrats voicing concern are up for re-election in 2014. A total of 20 Democratic seats are up in the next cycle -- 22 when special elections are included. Among those senators is Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, who has parted with the president before on energy and other issues. He said he was "pleased" with Obama's call for an increase in mental health services, but said "there is no quick fix when it comes to keeping our families and communities safe." "We must make smart investments to increase our safety while ensuring American's Second Amendment rights are protected," he said. Sen. Joe Manchin in West Virginia and Sen. Max Baucus in Montana have also declined to take a position on the president's proposals. Even Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who is considered to have a pro-gun rights record, said only that the chamber would "consider" the legislation. "The tragedy at Sandy Hook was just the latest sad reminder that we are not doing enough to protect our citizens -- especially our children -- from gun violence and a culture of violence, and all options should be on the table moving forward," he said. House Speaker John Boehner similarly did not take a position on the plan after Obama announced it Wednesday. One lawmaker to watch is Sen. Al Franken in Minnesota. Considered among the most liberal members of the Senate, Franken nevertheless represents a state with a strong gun-rights culture and one where both parties are well-represented - he is up for re-election in 2014. His office scrambled on Thursday to clarify an article which suggested he was holding back on endorsing an assault-weapons ban. In a carefully worded statement, Franken said he's "always supported the Second Amendment rights of Minnesotans to own firearms for collection, protection, and sport. But I also think we need to find a balance between those rights and the safety of our children and our communities." He noted he co-sponsored legislation to ban large magazines and supports "the principle that we should reinstate a ban on assault weapons." Franken, though, did not endorse any specific assault weapons ban -- like one being introduced by Senate colleague Dianne Feinstein of California -- and stressed that he would "carefully review any proposal to do that." ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:16:56 -0700 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Response to Mike A. At 09:11 AM 18/01/2013 -0400, you wrote: >From: Mikeack >Date: 20130118 >Re: The next bloodbath > >> On 2013-01-18 00:34, 10X wrote: >> The gun control movement of Anti gun owners in the U.S. was set back. >> They were not defeated. They are regrouping and waiting for the next >> bloodbath to promote their agenda. > >I wouldn't put it past them to somehow engineer the next one... Those who are anti gun do engineer the media response to any horrific event where a gun is involved. They have a forumula that includes shifting the focus of blame from the miscreant who committed the crime, to the tool used ( a gun) and then attributing blame to every person in possession of a gun or several guns. They have created an atmosphere where the majority believe that someone who is seen with a gun is suspicious and is automatically thought of as engaging in a criminal act. Those who are anti gun owner take a horrific event and carry it forward for years. Whether it be the death of John Lennon, (the anniversary celebrated by Paul Martin's election promise of a handgun ban) or the Ccole Polytechnic slayings, the bodies of the victims are dug up and displayed in public to raise the rabble against all gun owners. It is only recently that the anti gun owner groups have removed the photos and biographies of the victims of an event that happened over 20 years ago, allowing the families of the victims closure. The following is a media monument on the internet to the anti gun movement. http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/society/crime-justice/the-montreal-massacre/gunman-massacres-14-women.html ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] From: "Joe Gingrich" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:44:02 -0600 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/17/Holder-begs-court-to-indefinitely-delay-group-s-lawsuit-fighting-for-release-of-Obama-s-executive-privilege-Fast-and-Furious-documents Excerpt: Holder begs court to stop document release on 'Fast and Furious' by Matthew Boyle 17 Jan 2013 ---------Since the president and his cabinet-level officials continually claim they had no knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious until early 2011 when the information became public-and Holder claims he didn't read the briefing documents he was sent that outlined the scandal and how guns were walking while the operation was ongoing-Obama says he's using the less powerful deliberative process privilege. The reason why Obama's assertion of that deliberative process privilege over these documents is weak at best is because the Supreme Court has held that such a privilege assertion is invalidated by even the suspicion of government wrongdoing. Obama, Holder, the Department of Justice, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and virtually everyone else involved in this scandal have admitted that government wrongdoing actually took place in Operation Fast and Furious. In Fast and Furious, the ATF "walked" about 2,000 firearms into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels. That means through straw purchasers they allowed sales to happen and didn't stop the guns from being trafficked even though they had the legal authority to do so and were fully capable of doing so. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican citizens-estimates put it around at least 300-were killed with these firearms. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] From: "Joe Gingrich" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:13:01 -0600 http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8958116 Additions to be made to gun laws for law enforcement Jim Hoffer Jan. 17, 2013 NEW YORK (WABC) -- A troubling oversight has been found within New York State's sweeping new gun laws. The ban on having high-capacity magazines, as it's written, would also include law enforcement officers. Magazines with more than seven rounds will be illegal under the new law when that part takes effect in March. As the statute is currently written, it does not exempt law enforcement officers. Nearly every law enforcement agency in the state carries hand guns that have a 15 round capacity. A spokesman for the governor's office called Eyewitness News to say, "We are still working out some details of the law and the exemption will be included, currently no police officer is in violation." The Patrolman's Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, "The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers." State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he's going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, "You can't give more ammo to the criminals" ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Search warrants await holders of guns with expired licenses --- On Sun, 1/6/13, decline@pteradon.tera-byte.com wrote: > They happened to "forget" to send renewals to some 400 > seniors in Toronto > and those were raided and their guns confiscated under > threat of jail. Do you have some evidence to support this claim? I think if this happened it would have been common knowledge by now - this is the first time I've heard of this. Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #494 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)