From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #503 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, January 21 2013 Volume 15 : Number 503 In this issue: [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:01:02 -0500 From: Bill Subject: Re: IS THIS GUY FAST OR WHAT ?? This is Bob Munden.. he passed away just a few weeks ago.. Regularly took part in the impossible shots program.. http://www.bobmunden.com/update-from-bob-munden/bob-munden-020842-121012/#more-1143 Bill ------- REMEMBER: If you don't fight for your rights NOW, you may not have the right to fight for them later! On 1/19/2013 8:41 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > From: Todd Birch > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:25:40 -0800 > > Subject: IS THIS GUY FAST OR WHAT ?? > > The WORLD'S FASTEST GUNSLINGER! > This is gun control > > AN EX-FBI AGENT WHO WAS SUPPOSEDLY TIMED IN LESS THAN 3/100'S OF A SECOND. > > > THIS GUY COULD SHOOT YOU EVEN IF YOU WERE HOLDING A GUN ON HIM, YOUR > REACTION WOULD NOT BE FAST ENOUGH TO PULL TRIGGER. NO - I MEAN YOU COULD > START PULLING THE TRIGGER AS FAST AS POSSIBLE WITH HIS GUN STILL IN THE > HOLSTER AND YOU WOULD LOSE. IMPRESSIVE STUFF > > http://www.wimp.com/fastestgunman/ ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:43:28 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Canadian passports found on badly burned bodies of two ... ...insurgents Two of the dead insurgents had Canadian passports. The high level of immigrants from Muslim countries since 9/11 makes this impossible to prevent, even with them under surveillance. The Toulouse, France, terrorist attacks of Mohammed Merah proved that. Having these guys, many of who have Cdn. citizenship return to Canada as battle hardened, trained terrorists is a nightmare scenario for the government. It's a factor that complicates the "gun control" issues, as is the phenomena of converting native born Westerners to Islamist ranks. The best quote from the article below is by the U.K. P.M. who states it will take decades to resolve the Islamist aggression in Africa. The same is true of the "Stealth Jihad". Decades of OPEC oil money has brought that into the education and media and commerce and gov't. in the U.K. and Europe and to a lesser extent North America. The Sharia Law of Blasphemy is so widespread, even Obama supports it. ========================= excerpts from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265518/Algeria-crisis-Algerian-forces-Canadians-Frenchman-bodies-gas-plant-gunmen.html Who was the white jihadi? Algerian forces find 'two Canadians and at least one Frenchman' among bodies of gas plant gunmen Canadian passports found on badly burned bodies of two insurgents One Frenchman among the terrorists, say Algerian judicial sources Algerian PM says 37 foreign hostages from eight countries had died Total death toll of captives and hostage-takers has risen to 89 Cameron says repatriation of dead Brits 'top priority' but may take time Some of the gunmen 'given short-term contracts by the oil and gas giant' Attackers 'arrived in cars painted in colours of Algerian state energy firm' Group threatens further attacks unless France ends assault on Mali rebels William Hague denies intervention in Libya had fuelled extremism in region By Peter Allen and Nabila Ramdani PUBLISHED: 19:35 GMT, 20 January 2013 | UPDATED: 16:23 GMT, 21 January 2013 Westerners including two Canadians and possibly a Frenchman were among the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the bloody Algerian hostage crisis, it was claimed today. Algerian special forces discovered the bodies at the In Amenas facility, where the hostage death toll was thought to have risen to at least 57 today, including up to six Britons. At least 35 heavily armed Al Qaeda operatives were killed, while five were today being interrogated by officials in the North African country. One-eyed fugitive: Mokhtar Belmokhtar, an Algerian who fought against Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s, has reportedly claimed responsibility for the kidnapping of up to 41 foreigners at an Algerian gas field Armed to the teeth: The terrorists' weapons, recovered by Algerian special forces, included six machine guns, 21 rifles, two mortars with shells, two rocket-propelled grenade launchers and ten explosive belts Two of the dead Islamists from Canada were found in the smouldering remains of a compound at the BP gas plant. One security source today confirmed that the Canadians are suspected of having travelled to Libya, where they joined extremists waging Jihad against the west. The men's badly charred corpses were found close to their victims, many of whom had been forced to wear Semtex explosive belts before being killed. Prime Minister says fight against Islamist terrorism in North Africa will last for decades The source said Canadian passports were found on the terrorists at the In Amanas facility, in the deep Sahara some 1,000 miles from Algiers, the capital of Algeria. Citing Algerian judicial sources, French newspaper Le Parisien also reported that there was 'at least one Frenchman' among the terrorists. The man's name has now been passed on to France's DCRI domestic security agency. It adds further credence to a report in Norway's Aftenposten that one of the attackers was tall and white with blue or green eyes, spoke English and read the Koran. Witnesses have also described one of the terrorists speaking with a ‘perfect English accent’ and appeared to have a good knowledge of the compounds around the gas field, suggesting he was already employed there. Terrifying: This image shows the moment that workers were first taken captive by Al Qaeda terrorists at the remote plant in Algeria Destroyed: Men look at the wreckage of a vehicle near In Amenas. Algerian bomb squads scouring the gas plant found numerous new bodies as they searched for explosive traps left behind An official Algerian source said previously that the group behind the attack had comprised Arabs, Africans and also people from outside the African continent. Much remains unclear about events after the jihadists staged the attack last Wednesday in revenge for French assaults on al-Qaeda rebels in neighbouring Mali. However, an Algerian newspaper said they had arrived in cars painted in the colours of state energy company Sonatrach, but registered in neighbouring Libya, a country awash with arms since Muammar Gaddafi's fall in 2011. Three Britons who died were yesterday identified as former Foreign Legion soldier Paul Morgan, 46, project services manager Kenneth Whiteside, 59, and father-of-two Garry Barlow, 49. Updating MPs in the House of Commons this afternoon, David Cameron said the process of bringing home the bodies of the victims was Britain's top priority, but might take some time. David Cameron, pictured outside Downing Street today, was due to update MPs on the situation in Algeria this afternoon The Prime Minister confirmed to MPs that three British nationals were known to have been killed in the attack on the In Amenas gas field and a further three were believed to be dead, along with a Colombian who lived in the UK. Mr Cameron said his deepest condolences were with the families of the victims and told the Commons work to clear the site of potential traps was continuing. He said: 'Now our most vital work is bringing home those who died. An international team of British, American and Norwegian experts is in close co-operation with the Algerian ministry of justice undertaking the task of formally identifying their bodies. 'We want this process to happen as swiftly as possible but it will involve some intensive forensic and policing work and so may take some time.' He said 800 employees were working at plant at the time of the attack, 135 of whom were foreign nationals. More than 40 of those were taken hostage and at least 12 were killed, with at least a further 20 unaccounted for and feared dead, he said. The number of terrorists was over 30, most of whom were killed during the incident, while 'a small number' had been taken into Algerian custody. He said evolving nature of the global terrorist threat demanded a 'tough, intelligent, patient' response based on strong international partnerships. Earlier, the PM's official spokesman stressed that the Government's position that UK troops will not take on a combat role in Mali remained unchanged. The spokesman told a regular Westminster media briefing: 'Clearly in Mali at the moment there is a military response in terms of French forces supporting the Malian government. 'We very much support the French in that but our position about troops not being in a combat role is completely unchanged with regard to Mali. 'More widely, as the Foreign Secretary was saying in the context of Somalia, when it comes to military roles our view is very much that they should be regionally-led.' Asked whether Mr Cameron was content with Algiers' response to the siege, the spokesman said: 'We were always very clear that there there were difficult decisions that faced the Algerian authorities. It was a fluid, fast-moving event. We were not going to rush into making judgments.' He added: 'The Prime Minister said yesterday that we should be very clear that the responsibility for the loss of life lies with the terrorists. 'We recognise what the Algerians have done to co-ordinate with us. He thanked them for that and he also noted the Algerian loss of life and the fact that this was an attack against an Algerian site.' The spokesman said Britain would 'work with our international partners' to bring those responsible for the killings to justice. Asked about claims made during the siege by the hostage-takers' leader, Abdul Rahman al-Nigeri, that he had been in contact with British officials, Mr Cameron's spokesman said: 'We don't negotiate with terrorists. 'That has always been and remains our policy. I have seen these reports but I am not going to go into details.' Meanwhile, the number of hostages thought to have been killed rose from 23 to 57 today after 25 bodies found yesterday were reportedly identified as captives. Up thirty-two militants have been found dead, while six have reportedly been captured and troops were still searching for others. Algerian Prime Minister Abdelmalek Sellal said a total of 37 foreigners of eight different nationalities had been killed, with seven still missing. But amid conflicting reports, he said 29 militants had been killed and three captured alive. Japan's prime minister says seven Japanese citizens have been confirmed dead, the biggest loss of life of all the nationalities caught up in the siege. Shinzo Abe said three other Japanese nationals remain missing and unaccounted for. Details of the dead militants emerged after it was claimed some of the terrorists involved in the siege in which three Britons have died had been working at the BP plant where the atrocity took place. On the road: Algerian army trucks are seen near In Amenas, the gas plant where the hostage taking happened Response: A soldier and rescue vehicles are seen near In Amenas, the gas plant where the hostage taking occurred They had been given short-term contracts by the oil and gas giant, allowing them to plan their attack with lethal precision. Six of the Al Qaeda operatives were ‘taken alive’ by the Algerian army today, while some 32 were killed during four days of fierce fighting with special forces. Now there are claims that some of the Islamist radicals had been hired over the past year at the vast facility in the Sahara desert, close to the town of In Amenas. This raises the possibility that the 23 gas workers who died, as well as those who were wounded and escaped, might have known their attackers. DETAILS OF THE DEAD AND MISSING Figures for those killed and unaccounted for in the gas plant siege remained confusing today, but here are some of the latest details: KILLED 32 Islamist militants 57 hostages, including three from Britain, seven from Japan, six from the Philippines, one each from the US, Romania and France MISSING HOSTAGES NORWAY: Five Norwegian employees of Statoil are still missing, the energy company said. BRITAIN: Three other Britons still missing and feared dead, the UK government said. UNITED STATES: One Texan and two other more Americans dead. Seven escape. The militants at first said they had seven American hostages, then later offered to trade two of them for two terrorists behind bars in the US, an offer rejected by Washington. MALAYSIA: Two Malaysians are missing, the government says. PHILIPPINES: Four Filipinos are missing. An Algerian security source said: ‘The suspicion is that some of the militants were placed inside the plant as drivers, cooks and even guards. ‘This gave them detailed knowledge of the facility, and indeed its top level security measures. ‘There were many hundreds of workers of all nationalities at the site, and applications for work would have been made to BP. There would have been some kind of background checks, of course.’ BP would not comment on the claims, which have begun to appear in the Algerian media. But the security source said that Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the Algerian terrorist said to have masterminded the operation, is thought to have coordinated the placing of his men inside the plant. His Mulathameen Brigade today threatened to carry out more attacks unless Western powers ended what it called an assault on Muslims in neighbouring Mali, according to the SITE monitoring service. In a statement on Monday, the al Qaeda linked group also said the hostage-takers had offered negotiations on freeing the captives seized at a gas plant deep in the Sahara but the Algerian authorities used military force, SITE reported. The statement was published by the Mauritania-based Nouakchott News Agency, according to SITE, which tracks statements by militants. His gang, the Signed in Blood Brigade, is a ruthless Islamist group which has been behind numerous crimes around Africa, including bomb attacks and kidnappings. As with so many Al Qaeda operatives, many of its recruits would have considerable experience of infiltrating western targets. At least 25 burned bodies were found yesterday in the Algerian gas plant, meaning that the death toll is likely to rise well above the 23 currently said to have lost their lives. Mohammed Said, Algeria’s communications minister, confirmed that that the charred corpses were found lying inside a heavily fortified compound, adding that ‘the number feared dead will unfortunately be revised upwards. Recollections: Iain Strachan (left) and Darren Matthews (right) talked about their ordeal on Algerian state TV TERROR CHIEF HIRED 3FT 6IN EXECUTIONER 'TO BEHEAD WOMEN AND CHILDREN' Ruthless al-Qaeda kingpin behind the Algerian hostage crisis, Mokhtar Belmokhtar, once employed a 3ft 6ins-tall killer named 'Mohamed the Dwarf' during a terror campaign in the 1990s. One-eyed fanatic Belmokhtar, 40, who has a son named after Osama bin Laden, used the axe-wielding dwarf named Mohamed to slit the throats of 31 victims and behead them in public in less than half an hour in the 1990s. At the time he was a commander in the Armed Islamic Group of Algeria, known as the GIA, and used the dwarf as part of his failed campaign to impose a strict Islamic government in Algeria. Hundreds of executions were carried out by the axe-wielding dwarf who murdered men, women and children who had been dragged from their beds. The dwarf and 50 heavily-armed extremists once dragged entire families into the street and forced them to line up for execution by the mini-killer. In another massacre, the dwarf is said to have hacked the heads of 86 people in a single night. There are no reports of the tiny butcher ever having been caught. He said that the terrorists had strapped Semtex explosives around the torsos of many of their captives, threatening to blow them up at a moment’s notice. Other Algerian officials insisted that the army launched its assault after the Islamist militants began killing foreign hostages they described as ‘Christians and infidels’. Prime Minister David Cameron confirmed that three Britons are confirmed dead, while three more are feared killed. Mr Cameron said that a captive who was resident in the UK resident had also lost his life in the four day stand-off in the Sahara which which came to a dramatic end on Saturday. ‘I know the whole country will want to join with me in sending our sympathy and our condolences to the families who have undergone an absolutely dreadful ordeal,’ Mr Cameron said at Chequers. Despite the already high death toll , the Prime Minister refused to criticise the uncompromising tactics used by the Algerian government. The British survivors had flown back home on government and BP chartered flights overnight. The crisis began on Wednesday when militants attacked two buses carrying foreign workers to the remote site in south-eastern Algeria. Terrorists then took Algerians and foreign workers hostage at the complex, which was soon surrounded by the army, who attacked on Thursday using helicopter gunships. The army later recovered a terrorist arsenal of six machine guns, 21 rifles, two shotguns, two 60mm mortars with shells, six 60mm missiles with launchers, two rocket-propelled grenades with eight rockets and 10 grenades in explosive belts. A statement from the kidnappers said the assault on the gas plant was launched in retaliation for French intervention against Islamist groups in neighbouring Mali. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: SUN NEWS: You must, Your Honour, treat the NRA as a ... ...terrorist group BY Warren Kinsella --- On Sun, 1/20/13, Dennis R. Young wrote: > Subject: SUN NEWS: You must, Your Honour, treat the NRA as a terrorist group BY Warren Kinsella What a tool... Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: National Post Letters: NRA's voice should be heard . or ... ...maybe not --- On Mon, 1/21/13, Dennis R. Young wrote: > http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/01/16/tasha-kheiriddin-the-nra-keeps-on-digging-itself-deeper/ > > Tasha Kheiriddin states: "Putting armed guards in American > schools will not save lives". It works in Israel, doesn't it? Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #494 --- On Fri, 1/18/13, Larry James Fillo wrote: > From: Larry James Fillo > Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #494 > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Received: Friday, January 18, 2013, 11:20 PM > > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:20:51 -0600 > From: Larry James Fillo > Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #494 > > > On 18-Jan-13, at 11:31 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:39:43 -0800 (PST) > > From: Bruce Mills > > Subject: Re: Search warrants await holders of guns with > expired > > licenses > > > > --- On Sun, 1/6/13, decline@pteradon.tera-byte.com > > > wrote: > > > >> They happened to "forget" to send renewals to some > 400 > >> seniors in Toronto > >> and those were raided and their guns confiscated > under > >> threat of jail. > > > > Do you have some evidence to support this claim?  > I think if this > > happened it would have been common knowledge by now - > this is the > > first time I've heard of this. > > > > Yours in TYRANNY! > > Bruce > Why would they be required to send renewal notices. > It's a strict liability offence. No valid license, you're a > criminal. > > They know human nature.  It will be a budget item > saving, not sending > renewal notices. > > Is there anyone who supports renewable possession licenses, > without > knowing that system, by it's nature will further reducing > the > remaining 30 percent of legal gun owners to a small > minority, very easy to scapegoat. > > No one who supports the P.A.L. system doubts that outcome. This didn't answer my question. Of particular interest is the "fact" that these 400 gun owners were deliberately set up because the CFC didn't send out renewal notices. How do you know that? Also, how do you know that these were all seniors? If you're going to use certain facts as gospel, you have to be able to back that up with incontrovertible proof. Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Mon, January 21, 2013 2:13 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: A Brief History of Psychotropic Drugs Prescribed to Mass Murderers A Brief History of Psychotropic Drugs Prescribed to Mass Murderers Submitted by Carol A. Clark on January 16, 2013 - 11:37am By Daren Savage http://www.ladailypost.com/content/brief-history-psychotropic-drugs-prescrib ed-mass-murderers Then-Senator Joe Biden noted during the Democratic primary debate on Apr. 26, 2007, "We have let the country down in the way in which we have not focused on mental illness," Biden said. "We should know that when you send a kid to college, you're going to be safe on college." "My wife is a doctor of education, a teacher at a community college," Biden said. "If, in fact, she and other teachers determine that a child - by the way they're writing and what they're acting - that they're a danger, the school should be able to take them off the campus." This debate took place 10 days after Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 and wounded 17 others at Virginia Tech. Biden also admitted at this debate to owning guns for skeet shooting. Recently, I took part in the Active Shooter Exercise at the Pueblo Complex conducted by LANL. The exercise itself was very valuable and I feel very lucky to have been allowed to participate in it. During the debriefing, one of the participants stated that most of the mass shootings that have taken place were the result of domestic disputes, workplace anger or other issues and only a few were the result of mental illness or drugs. This caused me to wonder how many of the reported mass shootings really were the result of issues other than mental illness or drugs. The more I researched this question, the more surprising the results became. It should be noted that most of the users of psychotropic drugs do not have the potential to be mass murderers; yet all of the mass murderers listed here had been prescribed one or more psychotropic drug. However, the number of people who could potentially experience one or more adverse side effects was shocking! As noted later, in some cases only one in 1,000 people experience adverse side effects, but if the drug were prescribed to 19 million people, literally thousands of people could experience adverse side effects. What follows is the result of my research and question, "What psychotropic drugs where prescribed to mass murders?" At the end of this article is a list of the drugs prescribed and their most serious adverse side effects. http://www.ladailypost.com/content/brief-history-psychotropic-drugs-prescribed-mass-murderers ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Mon, January 21, 2013 2:38 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Britain's gun-smuggling soldiers Exposed: The army's gun-smuggling soldiers PAUL PEACHEY MONDAY 21 JANUARY 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exposed-the-armys-gunsmuggling-soldiers-8460767.html A group of British Army soldiers based in Germany have been convicted of attempting to smuggle guns and cocaine from continental Europe to sell to the London underworld. A former member of an elite cavalry regiment masterminded the “well-planned” operation with the help of three Army colleagues on bases in Germany and criminal contacts in three countries. Detectives said they would continue to investigate the extent of a gun-running racket involving members of the British military after a breakthrough in the analysis of supposed “secure” phones favoured by gangsters revealed the possible involvement of other soldiers. The four serving or former soldiers were convicted at Woolwich Crown Court along with a criminal contact in London. Lemar Loveless was arrested six days after he quit the Queen’s Royal Hussars as he and a regimental colleague drove two BMWs to Britain from Europe with five guns and cocaine with a street value of more than £70,000. Silencers and dozens of rounds of ammunition were also discovered. Officers seized their phones and recovered the messages from the BlackBerry messaging system that helped them piece together links between the soldiers, an Italian seller based in Germany and their potential London buyer, the court heard. The messages showed that Loveless, 26, and a former Army colleague Trave Dyce, 22, travelled to Amsterdam via Germany to collect guns and cocaine, which was hidden inside a ball of tape, impregnated with curry powder to put sniffer dogs off the scent. Analysis showed that the guns were intended for delivery to Romone Marshalleck, 24, in Tooting, south London, to pass on to criminal networks. When police raided his home, they found pictures on his iPad showing him posing with a semi-automatic pistol and another picture of a gun and magazine with bullets spelling out the message: “F*** Love”. Two serving soldiers, Lance Laurent, 26, of the Queen’s Royal Hussars and Duran Wright, 28, of the Royal Logistic Corps, were arrested and questioned at a German military base after messages showed their involvement in the operation. None of the guns seized – two German Walther PPKs and three Italian converted pistols – were Army issue, but obtained through an Italian contact based in Germany, the court was told. Detective Inspector Chris Jones, of Trident Gang Crime Command, said the operation “led to the removal of five lethal firearms and ammunition, weapons which would inevitably have been used to commit acts of serious violence on the streets of London.” The deleted BlackBerry messages only came to light at the end of last year following a technological breakthrough. While police believed they have caught the main players involved in the racket, two more soldiers could be questioned over their links with the five men. The four soldiers were convicted yesterday of conspiracy to import firearms and class A drugs. Marshalleck, the only civilian, was convicted of the firearms charge. They will be sentenced on Friday. The convictions followed the jailing last year of another former soldier, Ricardo McKenzie, who smuggled a cache of guns and ammunition from Iraq into the UK in a tank. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #503 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)