From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #517 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, January 27 2013 Volume 15 : Number 517 In this issue: [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:35:53 -0400 From: mikeack Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #516 On 2013-01-27 05:42, Joe wrote: > "improved background check" To me, no amount of background checking can prevent the "lone wolf" mass murderer from gaining the means to carry out his intended attack. Therefore my interpretation of "improved background check", is to ensure there are no innocents behind the wacko as he receives defensive return fire :D -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sun, January 27, 2013 9:27 am Subject: Go ahead... make my day! From: "GOPUSA Midday Report" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Go ahead... make my day! A Colorado man is doing just fine after three men broke into his apartment with the intent of robbing him and possibly harming him as well. The apartment resident was able to defend himself because he was armed and invoked Colorado's Make My Day law. Read more... http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013/01/09/go-ahead-make-my-day/?subscriber=1 Read full E-mail here: http://www.gopusa.com/archives/midday/2013_01_09.html Remove: http://www.gopusa.com/subscribe/eagle_verify.php?mail_id=8449&email_id=1512859 ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:40:35 -0500 From: JULES SOBRIAN Subject: Ron Charach again Here is a letter I just sent to the Toronto Sun: Dear Editor: In Ron Charach's letter to the Sunday Sun of Jan 27th, he claims that a person wishing to shoot a handgun could rent one at a firing range. I don't know what planet he comes from, but you can't rent a handgun at any of the firing ranges I know of in Ontario. Since he's wrong about that, I'd like to point out some other things he's wrong about too. Because some thug breaks into your house and steals your gun, doesn't mean you shouldn't have a gun. Suppose the thief steals your nice new TV and sells it for enough money to buy a gun, illegally of course, does that mean that you shouldn't have a TV? Or if he steals jewellery or cash, is that a reason to ban diamonds or money? The common denominator is the thief. But Mr. Charach turns a blind eye to the crooks and places the blame on the honest, working man whose property has been stolen. Oh the injustice of it all. As for Mark Bonokoski and his ignorance about firearms, the AR-15 is not an assault rifle; it shoots only one shot every time the trigger is pulled. It just was built to look like an M16 assault rifle. There are thousands of semi-automatic rifles and shotguns just like the AR-15 in use without incident on firing ranges and in deer hunts and duck hides in Canada every year. Jules Sobrian, MD. Former President of Responsible Firearm Owners of Ontario and 20 year member of the Canadian International Shooting Team, twice Commonwealth gold medallist and once winner of the Championship of the Americas. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sun, January 27, 2013 11:10 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show Postponed Due to Mass ... ...Withdrawals Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show Postponed Due to Mass Withdrawals by Outdoor Hub Reporters on January 24, 2013 - submitted by: Daniel Xu http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/eastern-sports-and-outdoor-show-postponed-due-to-mass-withdrawals/ Events organizer Reed Exhibitions announced today that they will be postponing the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show until further notice. The show caused controversy when Reed Exhibitions made a decision to prohibit modern sporting rifles from the event, prompting a large number of vendors to withdraw in the resulting backlash. Notable brands that said they would no longer be attending include Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Mossberg, Cabela's, and the National Rifle Association. In a press release, Smith & Wesson CEO James Bedney said, "We support the Second Amendment and the rights of our law-abiding customers to purchase (sporting rifles) and all legal firearms. Therefore, we are unable to support any organization or event that prohibits legal firearms, or otherwise restricts a citizen's lawful and constitutional rights." The NRA quickly followed suit in their statement, announcing that the gun-rights organization will not be attending any Reed Exhibitions shows that maintains this policy. Shortly after the postponement was announced, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) released a statement explaining that the NSSF had been engaging in dialogue with Reed Exhibitions in an attempt to change the show's stance on modern sporting rifles, but the talks have failed. Reed Exhibitions also manages the yearly Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade Show (SHOT Show), the biggest event of this category worldwide. SHOT Show policy and direction is headed by the NSSF, who is currently considering options for the management of future events. The following is the postponement announcement on Eastern Sports and Outdoor Shows' official website: Reed Exhibitions has decided to postpone, for now, the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show given the controversy surrounding its decision to limit the sale or display of modern sporting rifles (also called ARs) at the event. The show was scheduled to take place February 2-10 in Harrisburg, PA. "Our original decision not to include certain products in the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show this year was made in order to preserve the event's historical focus on the hunting and fishing traditions enjoyed by American families," said Chet Burchett, Reed Exhibitions President for the Americas. "In the current climate, we felt that the presence of MSRs would distract from the theme of hunting and fishing, disrupting the broader experience of our guests. This was intended simply as a product decision, of the type event organizers need to make every day. "It has become very clear to us after speaking with our customers that the event could not be held because the atmosphere of this year's show would not be conducive to an event that is designed to provide family enjoyment. It is unfortunate that in the current emotionally charged atmosphere this celebratory event has become overshadowed by a decision that directly affected a small percentage of more than 1,000 exhibits showcasing products and services for those interested in hunting and fishing. "ESS has long been proud to participate in the preservation and promotion of hunting and fishing traditions, and we hope that as the national debate clarifies, we will have an opportunity to consider rescheduling the event when the time is right to focus on the themes it celebrates." Those seeking an alternative East Coast outdoor show may want to consider attending the NRA Great American Hunting & Outdoor Show, which begins Friday, January 25 at the E-ventplex at the Frederick Fair Grounds in Frederick, Maryland. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sun, January 27, 2013 11:21 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Ontario gun owners taking bureaucrats to court Ontario gun owners taking bureaucrats to court KRIS SIMS | QMI AGENCY - 7:34 am, January 27th, 2013 http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/01/20130127-073445.html There's another gun fight starting in Ontario. The Canadian Shooting Sports Association (CSSA) is taking the province's chief firearms office (CFO) to court, alleging provincial policing staff are targeting lawful firearms owners by forcing shooters to have a written invitation from gun ranges before they are allowed to transport their restricted firearms in their own vehicles. They must also be able to show police the invitation when asked, according to a letter from the CFO to gun owners obtained by QMI Agency. "Ontario's firearms owners have a rich history of being lawful and trustworthy," said Tony Bernardo, spokesman for the CSSA. "They come from all walks of life and many are professional pillars in their communities. The CFO does not have the mandate to make laws based on their own whim and fancy. This is just one more cheap attempt at frustrating sport shooters to the point they will give up their heritage activities." Under federal law, handgun owners in Canada already need an Authorization To Transport to move their guns anywhere, usually only by vehicle to and from approved ranges. This latest stipulation for a written invitation was added by the CFO and mailed to gun owners this past week, says the CSSA. "To all approved restricted shooting ranges in Ontario as a member of good standing of that club or as an invitee of an authorized member of the host club. When transporting firearms by invitation written proof of an invitation by an authorized club member must be provided to the CFO or police upon request," it reads. Julie Carmichael, spokeswoman for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews, declined comment as the matter may soon be before the courts. "The Firearms Act sets out the requirements with respect to the safe storage and transportation of firearms. We expect that chief firearms officers and their officials will enforce the law appropriately," she said, adding chief firearms officers are provincial appointees. Last year, owners of rifles and shot guns were surprised to learn that gun shop owners had been ordered by Ontario's CFO to continue writing down the personal information of all customers who bought long guns, even though the federal registry had been abolished. The feds eventually had to rewrite the rule, ordering the provincial CFOs to stop issuing the requirement. The provincial CFO was not available for comment. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sun, January 27, 2013 11:52 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Gun Owners Refuse to Register Under New York Law Gun Owners Refuse to Register Under New York Law Written by Alex Newman - Friday, 25 January 2013 11:38 http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14322-gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law http://minutemennews.com/2013/01/gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law/#ixzz2J6yiAQ6j http://www.infowars.com/gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law/ http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hit_us_with_your_best_shot_andy_5rxZg0gYBJJhkLBtiTPMfJ After Democrats in New York rammed a sweeping assault on the right to keep and bear arms through the legislature that failed to exempt police officers from the draconian restrictions, gun owners and even some lawmakers are planning what has been dubbed potentially the largest act of civil disobedience in state history. According to news reports, gun rights activists are urging everyone to defy far-left Governor Andrew Cuomo's new registration mandate while daring authorities to "come and take it." Analysts say the legislation, passed in a frenzy last week in the wake of the Newtown shooting, represents the most brazen infringement on the right to keep and bear arms anywhere in the nation. Among other points, the so-called SAFE Act seeks to limit magazines to just seven bullets, require virtually all of the estimated one million semi-automatic rifles in the state to be registered with authorities, mandate reporting of patients who express indications that they may have thoughts about hurting themselves or others by doctors, and more. Aside from being unconstitutional, experts on gun violence also point out that the draconian schemes are a bad idea: Studies have repeatedly shown that more guns lead to less crime, and the phenomenon is obvious across America - just compare Chicago or D.C. to Alaska or Wyoming. The mandated reporting requirements for doctors, meanwhile, have come under fire from across the political spectrum. Whether it will even be possible to enforce the bill, however, remains to be seen. Preparations are already being made for mass resistance. "I've heard from hundreds of people that they're prepared to defy the law, and that number will be magnified by the thousands, by the tens of thousands, when the registration deadline comes,'' said President Brian Olesen with American Shooters Supply, among the biggest gun dealers in the state, in an interview with the New York Post. Even government officials admit that forcing New Yorkers to register their guns will be a tough sell, and they are apparently aware that massive non-compliance will be the order of the day. "Many of these assault-rifle owners aren't going to register; we realize that,'' a source in the Cuomo administration told the Post, adding that officials expect "widespread violations" of the new statute. Threats of imprisoning gun owners for up to a year and confiscating their weapons are already being issued by governor's office, headed by a rabid anti-Second Amendment extremist who suggested before the bill passed that "confiscation" of all semi-automatic rifles was being considered. If tens or even hundreds of thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens refuse to comply, however, analysts say New York would either have to start raising taxes and building a lot more prisons, or give up on the scheme that experts say will do nothing to reduce violence and that lawmakers say is aimed at eventual confiscation. Activists involved in the state-wide boycott against the unconstitutional statute who spoke to the Post almost taunted authorities, saying gun owners would essentially dare authorities to "come and take it away." According to the paper, leaders of some of the state's hundreds of gun clubs, dealers, and non-profit organizations, citing the New York Constitution's guarantee that gun rights "cannot be infringed," are currently involved in organizing the resistance. Among the primary concerns is that, with registration, authorities would know where to go for confiscation, an idea already proposed openly by Governor Cuomo himself. "They're saying, 'F--- the governor! F--- Cuomo! We're not going to register our guns,' and I think they're serious. People are not going to do it. People are going to resist," explained State Rifle and Pistol Association President Tom King, who also serves on the National Rifle Association board of directors. "They're taking one of our guaranteed civil rights, and they're taking it away." The NRA itself, while saying that it did not participate in organizing resistance to the law, admitted that it was not surprised by the open defiance among gun owners. "I will say this: Historic experience here and in Canada shows that when you try to force gun owners into a registration and licensing system, there's usually mass opposition and mass noncompliance," NRA President David Keene told the Post. "I think it's going to be very difficult for the governor to get mass compliance with this new law." Throughout the short discussion on the bill, GOP legislators warned about the prospect of resistance - potentially resulting in violence. Indeed, even some lawmakers have already promised to defy the new unconstitutional statute. Republican state Assemblyman Steve Katz, for example, told his colleagues during the debate that the legislation's attempt to re-define semi-automatic rifles as banned "assault weapons" creates "a new class of criminals overnight." However, he also mentioned that he had no intention of complying with the arbitrary seven-bullet maximum demanded under the legislation. "I leave my wife and three young daughters home alone for days at a time to represent my constituents here," Katz said on the floor of the Assembly. "After what happened to the young mother in Loganville, Georgia who defended her two young children against an intruder, this bill will turn me into a criminal because you can bet that before I leave to do the people's work, there will be more than seven bullets in the magazine of my wife's firearm." He concluded his plea for respecting gun rights with some quotes about the reason for the Second Amendment and New York state's even more overt prohibition on infringements. The first one he read came from George Washington: "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." As in the rest of the United States, law enforcement has also been speaking out about infringements on the right to keep and bear arms - especially after the SAFE Act was rammed through so hastily that, according to analysts, "oops," police officers are now in violation of the law too. New York sheriffs have become outspoken about the rights of citizens, as well, expressing serious concerns about violations of unalienable rights contained in the new state statute. "This law has some issues pertaining to the Second Amendment," explained Putnam County Sheriff Donald Smith, one of many to express reservations about the new rules. "I'm deeply concerned in haste to pass the law, they may have missed the point on some of the mental health issues and are dealing with some ammunition and gun issues and law-enforcement issues." Steuben County Sheriff David Cole, meanwhile, released a statement backed by the local police union criticizing the highly controversial statute as well. "These laws will now make it so thousands and thousands of law-abiding citizens, who go to work, pay their taxes, and [are] concerned about their children's future, will now be considered criminals if they choose to stand up for the Second Amendment rights guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution," Sheriff Cole noted, echoing widespread concerns being heard throughout the state. Ironically, even some anti-gun extremists who openly support lawlessly infringing on unalienable rights have criticized the legislation. The ultra-far-left Center for American Progress, funded by billionaire statist George Soros, for example, complained about the provisions purporting to obligate doctors to report their patients to authorities if they express violent or suicidal thoughts - all in violation of the traditional doctor-patient confidentiality relationship. Doctors belittled the provision, too, noting that it could discourage people who otherwise would seek help from talking to healthcare providers out of fear that the police could show up at their door and confiscate their weapons. "The people who arguably most need to be in treatment and most need to feel free to talk about these disturbing impulses, may be the ones we make least likely to do so," Dr. Paul Appelbaum at Columbia University told the Associated Press. Critics say the provision will turn New York into a "psychiatric police state." Meanwhile, at the national level, some Democrat lawmakers and President Obama are seeking draconian new gun bans and a wide array of other infringements on the right to keep and bear arms. State governments and sheriffs nationwide, however, are speaking out, working to nullify any assault on gun rights, and if needed, arrest federal officials trying to enforce unconstitutional rules. With the amount of resistance already expressing itself in New York, analysts say attempting similar schemes at the federal level would be literally insane. Still, that does not mean it will not be attempted. Alex Newman is a correspondent for The New American, covering economics, politics, and more. He can be reached at anewman@thenewamerican.com . --------------------------------- PATRIOT POST PETITION: "The right...to Keep and Bear Arms..." http://patriotpost.us/archives/petitions/21 ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sun, January 27, 2013 12:00 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: The Second Amendment is Not about Hunting The Second Amendment is Not about Hunting Neil Snyder - January 27, 2013 http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/the_second_amendment_is_not_about_hunting_1.html First things first: the Second Amendment to the Constitution is simple and clear. The version of it that was ratified by the states reads as follows: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Following the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, President Obama and a host of senators and congressmen launched an all-out assault on so-called "assault weapons", high-capacity magazines, and gun ownership in general. A few days ago, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo signed sweeping gun control legislation. At the signing ceremony, he said, "I am proud to be part of this government, not just because New York has the first bill, but because New York has the best bill.... I'm proud to be a New Yorker because New York is doing something - because we are fighting back." Others had a different perspective. According to the New York Times, Gun-rights advocates denounced the measure. The New York State Rifle and Pistol Association said New York gun owners "should be ashamed and afraid of our state," and the National Rifle Association said, "These gun-control schemes have failed in the past and will have no impact on public safety and crime." Ordinary people feel helpless and afraid when they see gruesome images of senseless mass shootings, and they wonder if they and members of their families will be next. Their feelings are understandable, but as many of us have pointed out, guns are not the problem. In every case where mass shootings have occurred, the person using the gun was the problem. Despite Governor Cuomo's euphoria, banning guns of any type and/or restricting magazine capacity will do nothing to solve that problem. In fact, a Harvard study indicates that restricting guns only makes the problem worse: The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases. Even so, yesterday thousands of our fellow citizens marched in Washington to support gun control legislation for the nation as a whole. They were not completely uninformed, but they were not well-informed, either. If they understood the problem, they would realize that the best defense against armed attackers is armed citizens. That's exactly what the evidence tells us, but pandering politicians being what they are can't resist the opportunity to capitalize on an opportunity, and the Sandy Hook massacre gave them one. As Ben Shapiro said so eloquently, they and their enablers in the media, people like CNN's Piers Morgan, are "standing on the graves of children of Sandy Hook" to advance their political agendas. Since ours is a constitutional form of government, as citizens we have a duty to delve deeply into the rationale of our Founding Fathers who risked their lives and property to win for us the freedoms that we enjoy, freedoms that are spelled out in our Constitution, before we enact legislation that restricts those freedoms in any way. With that thought in mind, let's take a look at what some of them said about our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms: - George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable ... the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." - Thomas Jefferson: "Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." - George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment : "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." Our Founding Fathers' perspectives are just as important and relevant today as they were more than 200 years ago because the nature of man hasn't changed over time. The world is still full of people who would enslave us and compel us to do their bidding if they could. Our nation's capital is still loaded with elected officials who believe they know what's best for the rest of us, and they are willing to use whatever force is necessary to subjugate us and make us fall into line behind their way of thinking even if it violates our constitutional rights. As a current case in point, seemingly innocuous healthcare legislation that was proposed by the president, passed by Congress, and approved by the Supreme Court is running roughshod over our religious freedoms that are protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. Reasonable people can easily conclude that they would do much more to violate our rights if they could, that is if we would let them. As unappealing as this possibility is, the day may come when we will need our weapons to fend off an overreaching and tyrannical government, as our Founding Fathers knew could happen. Unfortunately, President Obama doesn't get it even though he is reputed to be a constitutional scholar. Evidence of that fact can be found in an interview that he gave to The New Republic a few days ago. The president said, ...I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations. And I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake. Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that. So it's trying to bridge those gaps that I think is going to be part of the biggest task over the next several months. And that means that advocates of gun control have to do a little more listening than they do sometimes. The Second Amendment is not about hunting, and it's not about where we live. It's about our right to defend ourselves if/when the need arises as our Founding Fathers made perfectly clear. Neil Snyder is the Ralph A. Beeton Professor Emeritus at the University of Virginia. His blog, SnyderTalk.com, is posted daily. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #517 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)