From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #550 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, February 9 2013 Volume 15 : Number 550 In this issue: [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:54:42 -0700 From: j davies Subject: Correct terminology for loonie-left machinations Correct terminology for loonie-left machinations On 08/02/2013 8:38 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > But the idea has drawn added attention amid the inevitable delirium > following a horrific crime involving firearms: While there is surely delirium involved in the latest gun-grab fiasco, it is better and surely more accurate to describe this as a "feeding frenzy." What else can it be? The Left continuously perches, buzzard like, on their branch waiting for any unfortunate incident relating to guns. Then, they predictably swoop down over the bodies of the dead and dying to further their own, selfish cause. The clown-prince of Dems, Joe Biden conducted a "fact finding" process then, SURPRISE found that all the most-popular historic Dem gun-grab plans were exactly what was needed to feed the Dem buzzards in this case. Would anything on their wish-list stop the problem? Well, no, but the buzzard might be happy until the next time... ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, February 8, 2013 12:15 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Debunking gun myths: Automatic vs. semi-automatic firearms Debunking gun myths: Automatic vs. semi-automatic firearms (Joe's Outdoor Office video) By Joe Songer | jsonger@al.com updated February 08, 2013 at 9:36 AM http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/02/debunking_guns_myths_automatic.html Since the horrible mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that took the lives of 27, including 20 young children, questions about gun violence and gun control have dominated the news. Talk of new strict gun laws are flying around at all levels of government as citizens and politicians try to find solutions to lessen the violence. Amidst the conversation, media coverage and government panel discussions, there has been quite a bit of misinformation passed along as fact. Some of this misinformation is innocent in nature and some is put forth to drive a political point of view. In the next couple months, I plan on taking a look at some of the misinformation and myths about firearms and, hopefully, providing a better understanding of the technology and terminology of modern firearms. One of the terms people have been using incorrectly is automatic fire when describing what is actually a semi-automatic fire. Automatic or selective fire firearms give the shooter two options, single semi-automatic or full automatic fire. The important difference is what happens when the trigger is pulled. In full automatic mode, when the user pulls the trigger the firearm will keep firing until the pressure it taken off the trigger. If the user keeps the trigger depressed, the firearms will fire until the magazine is empty. In semi-automatic mode, when the user pulls the trigger the firearm will only fire one round or bullet. The trigger must be reset before another round can be fired, one round per trigger pull. Both automatic and semi-automatic firearms load another cartridge when a round is fired until the magazine is empty. Recently I had the rare opportunity to fire a fully automatic M-16. Aaron Short, the production manager at Short Defense Systems brought a rifle to a private range for a demonstration. The video we recorded clearly shows the difference in automatic and semi-automatic fire. Semi-automatic firearms have been around for over 100 years. All major types of firearms, rifles, shotguns and handguns of all descriptions have semi-automatic versions. Automatic or selective fire firearms are rare, expensive and require extensive background checks by the FBI and ATF. The National Firearms Act of 1934 and The Firearms Owners Act of 1986 made ownership of machine guns and other automatic firearms difficult. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/ Question or comments? Contact me at jsonger@al.com or on Twitter @joesonger22. http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/semi-auto.cfm ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:17:43 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: California lawmakers seek toughest gun laws in nation http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57568322/calif-lawmakers-seek-toughest-gun-laws-in-nation/ California lawmakers seek toughest gun laws in nation CBS/AP/ February 8, 2013 SACRAMENTO, Calif. Weeks after New York enacted the nation's toughest gun laws, California lawmakers said Thursday they want their state to do even more in response to recent mass shootings, particularly the Connecticut school massacre. Democrats who control the state Legislature revealed 10 proposals that they said would make California the most restrictive state for possessing firearms. They were joined at a Capitol news conference by San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee and Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, along with several police chiefs. "California has always been a leader on the issue of gun safety," Villaraigosa said. "New York has stepped up and stepped forward. California needs to answer the call." Among the measures is one that would outlaw the future sale of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines. The restriction would prevent quick reloading by requiring bullets to be loaded one at a time. Lawmakers also want to make some prohibitions apply to current gun owners, not just to people who buy weapons in the future. Like New York, California also would require background checks for buying ammunition and would add to the list of prohibited weapons. Those buying ammunition would have to pay a fee and undergo an initial background check by the state Department of Justice, similar to what is required now before buyers can purchase a weapon. Subsequent background checks would be done instantly by an ammunition seller checking the Justice Department's records. The legislation also would ban possession of magazines holding more than 10 bullets, even by those who now own them legally. All weapons would have to be registered. Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, promised that gun proponents will fight the measures in court if they become law. "It strikes me as if these folks are playing some sort of game of one-upsmanship with New York at the expense of law-abiding citizens, and that's just unconscionable," he said about lawmakers. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:12:02 +0000 From: jyoung@aernet.ca Subject: ~Ian Thomson gets his guns back!~ There will then be no appeal. Great news for Ian. Great news for Canadians. The over-reaching, completely inept Crown Prosecutor in this case should be held personally liable for Ian Thomson's legal fees -- plus damages. A disgusting abuse of process. Vexatious, malicious...the list goes on. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 12:43:18 -0800 From: Bob Subject: Re: there is no crime like government crime Harper has a hate for armed seniors, while his CPC gang walk around with Kevlar TIIa classed lined suits and handguns, all of which require a permit, all of which they haven't jumped through the hoops for. Seniors with Legal firearm have jumped through all the ridiculous hoops for a breath of gun freedom.......so what gives here, these political gangs, are just bullying everybody and especially Seniors, just like the USA VA (Veterans) thing. Obama like Harper are still trying to fill out MJ-12/NWOrder prime directives signed in 1963. Bob On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:51:39 -0600 (CST), you wrote: >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:03:43 -0800 >From: Len Miller >Subject: there is no crime like government crime > >Obama gives himself permission to kill . . > >Harper has given himself permission >to declare seniors a criminal for possessing >firearms BEFORE the fraudulently passed >C-68 .. which he promised to rescind IF he >got a majority . HE GOT HIS MAJORITY . . >pretended it WAS the long gun registry . . . >He fooled some of you . . > >There's no other conclusion . . HE LIED . ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Subject: Re: Range Membership Required From: jyoung@aernet.ca Date: Fri, February 8, 2013 4:49 pm Roger, in which province do you reside? And yes, I would appreciate seeing your letter. Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Roger" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:21:46 Subject: Range Membership Required Hi. I was just refused a Renewal of my Firearms License because I do not have a Membership at a Gun Range. I have a membership in Shooters Guild, which allows me (and hundreds of others) to go to 'any' Range and shoot as a Daily Guest. I included a copy of this Shooters Guild in my original Application, so I am not sure what is going on. I re-Faxed a copy of my Shooters Guild Membership Card, and I haven't heard back from them yet. I asked them in a letter to Email me back, confirming that they have received all 3 pages of the Fax I sent them, and received no reply. I will keep you informed of what all happens. Anyone want to see a copy of my Refusal??? Email me at r0ger1@shaw.ca >>>>AsstMod-RAM<<<< ........................................................................... Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:18:09 -0700 From: "Todd Brown" Subject: RE: CSSA E-NEWS - CFOs who make up their own rules must be ... Does nobody else know that the requirement to have a range membership to keep your guns, comes from the same place( sec 58)? This is an arbitrary requirement brought in by the CFO, YEARS AGO. Nowhere in the FA does it state that you need a range membership to own a handgun. Sec 58 gives CFO's power based on their opinion or belief. Know your rights, or you won't have any Todd Brown Concerned Gun Owners of Alberta Co-founder CGOA bvhunting@xplornet.com -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Mills Sent: February-07-13 11:00 AM Subject: Re: CSSA E-NEWS - CFOs who make up their own rules must be ... --- On Thu, 2/7/13, jyoung@aernet.ca wrote: > The more I delve into this, the more I believe it's entirely the wrong > move. Sure hope that I'm wrong... > > Section 58(1) of the F/A Act *PROVIDES* the CFO the requisite > authority to attach these conditions. As a result, I fear a loss is > imminent. And when that occurs, he'll be empowered to take further > swats at our community. > > The only possible hope is that the judge place a greater importance on > the word "reasonable" and deems that this condition is "not". Yes, s.58(1) DOES allow the CFO to attach "conditions" onto a license or authorization, but these conditions MUST be based on concerns regarding only one application at a time. What the CFO has done is make a "blanket condition" which applies to ALL applications, regardless of the merits of any particular application. Not only does this "fetter" their discretion, it is akin to "making law", which is the sole purview of Parliament and the Provincial Legislatures. THAT is why the CFO should be smacked down hard. Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, February 8, 2013 5:11 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Homeland Security solicits another 21.6 million rounds of ammo DHS SOLICITS FOR ANOTHER 21.6 MILLION ROUNDS OF AMMO http://patriot-newswire.com/2013/02/dhs-solicits-for-another-21-6-million-rounds-of-ammo/ With ammunition at not only a seasonal low, but also low because of the fear of unconstitutional Federal laws being looked at, it has now come to light that the Department of Homeland Security is once again soliciting for another 21.6 million more rounds of ammunition. This is in addition to the billions of rounds already solicited just last year by the Federal government, including DHS. It's getting more and more difficult for citizens to purchase any ammo, let alone in bulk, but it looks like there may be plenty of businesses and front groups that are willing to provide "Big Sis" with all the ammunition they want. A solicitation posted yesterday on the Fed Bid website details how the bullets are required for the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico. DHS is looking to purchase 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point bullets and 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets. The solicitation also includes 1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets. Read More ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, February 8, 2013 5:21 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: German weapons case pits man against gun clubs German weapons case pits man against gun clubs Does the "right to life" outweigh the right to shoot guns recreationally? Date 08.02.2013, Author Karin Jäger / cd, Editor Gregg Benzow http://www.dw.de/german-weapons-case-pits-man-against-gun-clubs/a-16586134 Does the "right to life" outweigh the right to shoot guns recreationally? Germany's constitutional court will soon decide. The case pits one man against Germany's gun clubs - and centuries of tradition. Roman Grafe overlays a graphic onto a map of Germany, thereby demonstrating the magnitude of the gun problem. Every shooting since 1991 is labeled on the map with a cross. In total, more than 130 have died. A cluster of crosses surround the German cities of Winnenden and Erfurt. In Erfurt, on April 26 2002, a 19-year-old shot twelve teachers, a secretary, two students and a police officer before taking his own life. The shooter was a member of a German "Schützenverein," literally, a shooting club. It was through his gun club that the 19-year-old was able to obtain a permit, allowing him to purchase guns and munition. After the massacre, weapons laws were changed. Since then, members of German gun clubs are no longer able to purchase or own rifles or pistols at age 18. They must now wait until they turn 21. The same applies for hunting. Even owners of "starting pistols," used for track and field events, are now required to have a "small weapons permit." Anyone under the age of 25 wishing to shoot guns recreationally needs to have a "character check" performed by a registered civil authority, or present proof of a certified psychological evaluation. Instruments of death German gun clubs were also tied to another tragedy. The father of the 17-year-old who returned to his former school in the city of Winnenden in southern Germany in March 2009 belonged to one. The teenager shot nine students and three female teachers. As he fled, he killed three others before taking his own life. The 17-year-old carried out the shooting spree with a weapon he stole from his father. It was after that incident that Roman Grafe founded an initiative called "Keine Mordwaffen als Sportwaffen," or "No deadly weapons as recreational arms." Two-and-a-half years ago his organization filed suit in the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany, criticizing German weapons laws and accusing them of encouraging shooting sprees. The legal possession of deadly weapons for the purpose of recreational shooting is an unacceptable risk to the public, the suit claims. Furthermore, the danger created by deadly recreational weapons is one that is ultimately uncontrollable, Roman Grafe argues. Even the German national trainer of celebrated German biathlete Ricco Gross seems to agree. "What could you hunt down with a biathlon rifle?" he asked. "If you're close enough, everything." Changing laws Quotes such as these and evidence from German shooting sprees are part of Roman Grafe's case for the tightening of weapons laws in Germany. In an interview with DW he points to countries such as Japan and Great Britain. In England and Wales, private ownership of revolvers and pistols has been illegal since 1998, when a man shot 16 children at an elementary school. In Japan, citizens are only given a weapons license for the purpose of hunting. In Brazil, ever since a centralized weapons register came into effect, the number of deaths due to gun violence has dropped. In Germany, the five-and-a-half million weapons that are in legal, private possession have recently become part of a central register - another consequence of the 2009 shooting spree in the city of Winnenden. The register was not the result of legislation by German state or national politicians, but rather the EU in Brussels, which pushed hard for an EU directive. Yet no one controls whether weapons and munitions are kept separate from one another in private homes, nor whether adults have taken enough precautionary measure in keeping the keys to weapon safes out of the reach of children and teens. New laws, same shooting sprees That the judge at the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany will accede to requests for stricter gun laws is something that Jürgen Kolheim, vice president of the organization of German gun clubs, simply doesn't believe. "We supported the tightening of gun laws after Winnenden," he said. "At this point we don't see any turn of the screw that could meaningfully have an impact on weapons rights regulations in order to prevent such terrible events in the future." Shootings are an expression of a societal problem, Kohlheim told DW. After the incident in Winnenden, leading candidates of all political colors were unified in their assessment that existing German gun laws were adequate. Amongst them was then-Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble. "I can't identify any changes in firearms laws that would have changed what happened," Schäuble said. Right to life To the man who filed the suit in court, however, such arguments don't hold water. Roman Grafe demands that the right to life which is enshrined in Article 2 of the constitution be given higher priority than the right to the free exercise of recreational shooting with deadly weapons. Such a ruling would be, for him, something of a bulls-eye. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:25:06 -0500 (EST) From: LawrenceAWehren@aol.com Subject: Re: Range Membership Required What province do you live in? In a message dated 08/02/2013 6:24:38 P.M. Atlantic Standard Time, r0ger1@shaw.ca writes: From: "Roger" Subject: Range Membership Required Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:21:46 -0700 Hi. I was just refused a Renewal of my Firearms License because I do not have a Membership at a Gun Range. I have a membership in Shooters Guild, which allows me (and hundreds of others) to go to 'any' Range and shoot as a Daily Guest. I included a copy of this Shooters Guild in my original Application, so I am not sure what is going on. I re-Faxed a copy of my Shooters Guild Membership Card, and I haven't heard back from them yet. I asked them in a letter to Email me back, confirming that they have received all 3 pages of the Fax I sent them, and received no reply. I will keep you informed of what all happens. Anyone want to see a copy of my Refusal??? Email me at r0ger1@shaw.ca >>>>AsstMod-RAM<<<< ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] From: "mikeack" Date: Fri, February 8, 2013 5:25 pm Subject: Ian Thompson got his guns back - well at any rate the judge ... ... says the cops have to return them Now let’s see how long it takes the cops to comply with the judge’s decision to return to him his lawfully owned and harmlessly used personal property. If Jeremy Swanson’s case is any indicator, it’s gonna be a long wait. http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/general/ian-thompson-got-his-guns-back/comment-page-1/#comment-165111 -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:14:08 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Pa. Attorney general's new initiative aims at gun control http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna-valley/state/Attorney-general-s-new-initiative-aims-at-gun-control/-/9758860/18472196/-/1144y2/-/index.html Attorney general's new initiative aims at gun control Kathleen Kane going after gun law loophole Feb 08, 2013 Kathleen Kane, Pennsylvania's new Democratic attorney general has announced her first initiative since taking office, and it's a new gun control measure for the state. Kane is going after a gun law loophole that lets Pennsylvania residents obtain concealed carry permits online from Florida, sometimes even when they can't be approved for one in Pennsylvania. Kane announced the decision Friday in Philadelphia. Kane says about 4,000 Pennsylvanians have obtained Florida permits since 2001 which would allow them to buy weapons at stores or gun shows in Pennsylvania. The attorney general also says that often leads to illegal gun sales, as she announced an agreement with officials in Florida that closes that loophole. "It does not violate the Second Amendment. There are many things that we can do and our society, like our laws, need to evolve; we are no longer the people from 200 years ago," said Kane. Residents with concealed carry permits from Florida residing in Pennsylvania will have four months to obtain a valid Pennsylvania permit. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:38:19 -0700 From: "Todd Brown" Subject: RE: CSSA E-NEWS - CFOs who make up their own rules must be ... You hit the nail on the head, Rob! Know your rights, or you won't have any Todd Brown Concerned Gun Owners of Alberta Co-founder CGOA bvhunting@xplornet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of Rob Sciuk Sent: February-08-13 10:33 AM To: Canadian Firearms Digest Subject: Re: CSSA E-NEWS - CFOs who make up their own rules must be ... Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Re: CSSA E-NEWS - CFOs who make up their own rules must be ... Todd Brown wrote: > Does nobody else know that the requirement to have a range membership > to keep your guns, comes from the same place( sec 58)? This is an > arbitrary requirement brought in by the CFO, YEARS AGO. Nowhere in the > FA does it state that you need a range membership to own a handgun. > Sec 58 gives CFO's power based on their opinion or belief. > > Know your rights, or you won't have any I'm not sure that this is relevant, but when purchasing a restricted firearm in Ontario, you are asked for the purpose of the firearm, and your answer is recorded. The only two "acceptable" answers are target shooting, or collecting. If collecting, the only ATT you will ever get is to sell it, in the absence of any "target" specified restricteds. As it stands, the Ontario CFO has placed some serious ATT restrictions on prohib rifles, preventing FN/FAL owners and similar from ever taking their rifles to the range. The CFO in Ontario is very much a political animal, and unfortunately, the McGuinty government (and the new Witmer government I expect) have had serious issues with responisible firearm ownership in Ontario. You might remember Michael Bryant's no guns/no funerals campaign, and every AG since has demonstrated similar antipathy towards the RFC. I would love to see ATT's aboloished, and the position of CFO eliminated entirely. Cheers, Rob Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Date: Sat, February 9, 2013 12:04 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Canadian arrested in Grand Forks in alleged international ... ...gun smuggling scheme Canadian arrested in Grand Forks in alleged international gun smuggling scheme A Canadian man was arrested this week by federal agents at a Grand Forks motel after they say he took $24,000 in cash for six guns he thought would be smuggled into Canada. By: Stephen J. Lee, Grand Forks Herald, DL-Online - Published February 08, 2013, 08:24 AM http://www.dl-online.com/event/article/id/72968/group/homepage/ A Canadian man was arrested this week by federal agents at a Grand Forks motel after they say he took $24,000 in cash for six guns he thought would be smuggled into Canada. Shawn Hartnell, 29, appeared in federal court in Grand Forks on Wednesday. According to Assistant U.S. Attorney Nick Chase, Hartnell faces two charges. One count alleges that, as a Canadian citizen in the United States on a "non-immigrant," visa, Hartnell was illegally possessing firearms. The second charge alleges Hartnell conspired to illegally export firearms to Canada without the proper licensing. The first charge carries a maximum sentence of 10 years; the second one - five years. The team of agents doing the deal Tuesday included Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers posing as Canadian customers for the weapons, Chase said. The weapons described in the complaint are legal for U.S. citizens to own, buy and sell, Chase said. In court documents, investigators said a man and woman from Idaho met Hartnell in Grand Forks and had brought him guns for the deal. The two were released after Hartnell's arrest but the investigation remains open, Chase said. U.S. Magistrate Judge Alice Senechal on Wednesday ordered Hartnell held until a detention hearing Monday when she will decide if he will be freed pending any trial. Local attorney David Dusek was appointed to defend Hartnell. Hartnell is from Fort Frances, Ont., just across the border and the Rainy River from International Falls, Minn. But he has been living and working recently in West Virginia on a U.S. visa, according to a court affidavit from a Homeland Security agent. The agent alleges Hartnell already sold assault rifles last year to RCMP agents in Winnipeg, telling them he had smuggled them across the border with a snowmobile, according to the complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Fargo. Hartnell was arrested Tuesday at the Settle Inn motel in Grand Forks after he showed undercover agents four semi-automatic assault-style rifles and two semi-automatic handguns and took $24,000 in cash for them, Chase said. Started in April The investigation reaches back at least to April when U.S. agents with Homeland Security, members of the Grand Forks area narcotics task force and RCMP agents working undercover in Pembina, N.D., made contact with Hartnell, who was working in the North Dakota Oil Patch at the time, investigators said. According to the complaint documents, Hartnell promised the undercover agents he had two "AR"style rifles hidden in Canada that he would sell for $2,000 each. Later in April, RCMP agents in Winnipeg made the deal with Hartnell. He said he could get many more weapons for the agents smuggled in from the United States and gave agents his cell phone number, according to the complaint. He also promised to deliver fully automatic weapons, which can't be owned legally in the United States without a special dealer's license and typically are more expensive than semi-automatics. After April's deal, little contact was made between the undercover agents and Hartnell until he called in December. Agents say he again met in Winnipeg with RCMP agents and sold them two handguns while promising larger numbers of guns, including fully automatic ones. Last week, Hartnell called undercover agents and said he would be traveling from West Virginia to Grand Forks to deliver the weapons. Deal goes down The man and woman who accompanied Hartnell to the gun deal Tuesday told agents they knew him because the man had worked with Hartnell in the Oil Patch months ago, according to the agents' affidavit. The man and woman said they lived in Jerome, Idaho, and received $10,000 via wire transfer recently from Hartnell to buy guns there and bring them to Grand Forks for the deal. They said they drove this week to Grand Forks with weapons which Hartnell said would be smuggled into Canada, investigators said. On Tuesday, agents watching the three saw Hartnell leave the Econo Lodge in Grand Forks in his vehicle followed by the man and woman in another vehicle and drive to the Settle Inn where the deal went down. The six weapons he showed agents Tuesday included three "AK-variant" semi-automatics, resembling the Russian AK-47 rifle; one "AR-variant" rifle based on the M-16; and two semi-automatic handguns, according to the court complaint. After he took the cash, Hartnell was arrested without incident in the motel, Chase said. The man and woman from Idaho still could face charges, depending on the investigation, he said. Hartnell was charged with several traffic-related offenses in North Dakota from January 2011 through May 2012, most of them in Williston, according to state court records. But Chase said he does not appear to have any felony convictions in the United States. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #550 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)