From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #704 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, May 6 2013 Volume 15 : Number 704 In this issue: Re: 'My first rifle' gunmaker tries to scrub away web ... Mountie kicks man in the face gets suspended sentence and 18 ... CTV - NRA implores members to never surrender weapons USA TODAY: Venison from D.C. deer hunt delivered to homeless Cop who assaulted brain-injured man to spend no time behind ... Re: Cop who assaulted brain-injured man to spend no time ... letter to Globe and Mail (just sent) Feds Scarier Than Terrorists, Dickinson College will host a discussion Tuesday night on ... Overpayment by federal Tory government for ship design ... Re: "Ottawa seeks new supplier to notify gun licence holders ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 11:10 am From: "mikeack" Subject: Re: 'My first rifle' gunmaker tries to scrub away web ... ... presence after 5-year-old shoots and kills sister When even the firearms manufacturers become apologists for the failure of parents to adequately supervise their children, our cause is all but lost. Neither the rifle nor the manufacturer are in any way responsible for this tragedy. Why would they feel any need what-so-ever to bow to PC BS? If the kid put the family car in neutral and crushed his sibling in the driveway, would we blame the care or Ford Motors? If he pushed her into the family pool, would we blame pools or their manufacturers? Of course not. How I wish we would grow the stones to just say "No" to statist PC bullying. -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 12:03 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Mountie kicks man in the face gets suspended sentence and 18 ... ...months probation Former Mountie sentenced for kicking man in the face Has apologized and quit the force News1130 Staff, May 2, 2013 10:42 am http://www.news1130.com/2013/05/02/former-mountie-sentenced-for-kicking-man-in-the-face/ KELOWNA (NEWS1130) - A former Mountie from Kelowna has been given a suspended sentence for kicking a man in the face two years ago. Geoff Mantler has also been given 18 months probation. He pleaded guilty to assault causing bodily harm last year after he was caught on video taking the boots to Buddy Tavares. Mantler has since apologized and quit the force. ----------------------------- WATCH VIDEO:" Kelowna Mountie broke several use of force rules: expert Expert testifying in the assault trial of Cst. Geoff Mantler Canadian Press/CHBC - November 29, 2012 5:37 pm http://www.news1130.com/2012/11/29/kelowna-mountie-broke-several-use-of-force-rules-expert/ KELOWNA (NEWS1130) - A use of force expert has told the assault trial of a Kelowna Mountie that Cst. Geoff Mantler broke just about every rule in police training when he arrested a man in Jan. 2011. Mantler was charged after Buddy Tavares was kicked in the face while he was on his hands and knees on a street near downtown Kelowna. Sgt. Jeremy Lane of the Abbotsford Police Department, who analyzed video of the incident, testified Mantler should have waited for back-up from other officers before getting out of his vehicle, and didn't follow the proper procedures when dealing with a suspect who could have a gun. He says Mantler's commands to Tavares were incomplete and vague and may have left Tavares confused about what Mantler wanted, adding there was nothing to suggest Tavares was refusing to co-operate. Lane stated the kick to Tavares' face was not justified considering the potential risk threat to Mantler. He also told the judge Mantler put another officer in a dangerous cross fire position when pointing his gun at Tavares, adding the officer's notes following the incident were surprisingly sparse on details. Police were called to the Harvest Golf and Country Club in Kelowna for reports of shots fired. Tavares took off in a red pickup truck and was stopped roughly 10 minutes later. Mantler was caught on video delivering the kick-to-the-head, which quickly went viral. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 12:42 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: CTV - NRA implores members to never surrender weapons CTV - NRA implores members to never surrender weapons Juan A. Lozano, The Associated Press - Last Updated Saturday, May 4, 2013 1:53PM EDT http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/nra-implores-members-to-never-surrender-weapons-1.1266847 HOUSTON -- The public face of the National Rifle Association is imploring members to never surrender their weapons in the wake of recent gun control efforts in Congress that he said will "destroy us and every ounce of our freedom." Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre spoke in Houston during the organization's annual member meeting, which is part of the yearly convention. LaPierre told several thousand people that the "political and media elites" have tried to use December's shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school and other recent mass shootings "to blame us, to shame us, to compromise our freedom for their agenda." Smith and Wesson pistols are on display during the National Rifle Association's annual convention in Houston, Friday, May 3, 2013. (AP / Steve Ueckert) He also implored lawmakers to instead enforce current federal gun laws and rebuild the nation's mental health system. RELATED STORIES Incoming NRA leader likely to enflame gun control debate Emboldened NRA hosting 'Stand and Fight' event in Texas U.S. lawmaker says he will re-introduce failed gun control bill Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/nra-implores-members-to-never-surrender-weapons-1.1266847#ixzz2SLnj4Zec ----------------------------------------- It's just a click away in this crazy world: 'Options for your child's first firearm' ELIZABETH RENZETTI, The Globe and Mail Last updated Saturday, May. 04 2013, 10:25 AM EDT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/columnists/its-just-a-click-away-in-this-crazy-world-options-for-your-childs-first-firearm/article11717422/?cmpid=rss1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 12:45 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: USA TODAY: Venison from D.C. deer hunt delivered to homeless USA TODAY: Venison from D.C. deer hunt delivered to homeless The park will host another hunt in the fall Katharine Lackey, USA TODAY4:21 p.m. EDT May 3, 2013 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/03/washington-dc-deer-hunt-rock-creek-venison/2133647/ The decision to allow trained sharpshooters to cull the deer population was a result of the animals' devastating impact on tree seedlings in the park. The National Park Service donated nearly 600 pounds of ground venison to a D.C. community kitchen earlier this week from a controversial hunt to control the area's deer population. Twenty deer were culled from Rock Creek Park in Washington, D.C., in March as part of the park's new deer management system, according to the National Park Service. On Wednesday, D.C. Central Kitchen posted on its Facebook page that it would be using the meat to prepare a "hearty venison and black bean chili." "We love sending out local produce and meat in our meals and that's about as local as it gets!" the post stated. The deer meat will provide 2,500 meals in one day and is scheduled to be served early next week, Stephen Kendall, D.C. Central Kitchen's procurement manager, told the Washington City Paper. The venison was tested for chronic wasting disease, a neurological disease that is fatal to deer, but not known to be transmitted to humans, WTOP reported. The hunt drew protests from some area residents and animal rights activists who lost a court battle to stop it, according to the Washington Post. The decision to allow trained sharpshooters to cull the deer population was a result of the negative impacts of the animals on the park, the National Park service said. "Their numbers have grown so large that they are eating nearly all the tree seedlings and preventing Rock Creek Park's forest from growing," the agency said in a statement. The park will host another hunt in the fall, with the ultimate goal of reducing the deer population from more than 70 per square mile to 15-20 per square mile. The venison from that hunt will also be donated to a D.C. food bank or homeless shelter. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 10:42 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Cop who assaulted brain-injured man to spend no time behind ... ...bars by Matt Gurney Matt Gurney: Cop who assaulted brain-injured man to spend no time behind bars Matt Gurney | 13/05/02 | Last Updated: 13/05/02 7:48 AM ET http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/05/02/matt-gurney-cop-who-assaulted-brain-injured-man-to-spend-no-time-behind-bars/ The story of Buddy Tavares has not become any less disgusting in the two years since it first broke. Mr. Tavares was pulled over by RCMP officers in Kelowna, B.C., in January of 2011. Police had received calls that Mr. Tavares had been firing a gun at a local golf course, and believed that he had been shooting at people. In fact, Mr. Tavares was doing his job - he'd been asked by the golf course to scare away birds that were gathering on the property, and was using shotgun blasts in the air to do so (to those unfamiliar with rural life, this is a fairly common, and commonly accepted, practice). The person who called police did not know that Mr. Tavares was doing his job, and the responding officers did not know that no person had been shot at (it was reported that no one was even there except Mr. Tavares). Officers had been warned that Mr. Tavares might be dangerous, and had also been advised that Mr. Tavares had already sustained a brain injury. He'd been in a motorcycle crash not long before. That explains why police were keen to detain Mr. Tavares, and detain him they did. But nothing can explain what happened after Mr. Tavares was pulled over: While two officers held their pistols on him, Mr. Tavares complied with all police instructions and lowered himself to the ground, slowly. And then a responding officer stepped forward and kicked Mr. Tavares in the side of the head with full force. Mr. Tavares collapsed, bleeding heavily. We know all this because it was captured on video. And it understandably caused an outrage. The police officer who delivered the brutal kick, Geoff Mantler, was investigated, and it was concluded that the kick constituted excessive force. He was charged, and initially pleaded not guilty to assault causing bodily harm. He later reversed that plea, and pleaded guilty. He also made an apology to Mr. Tavares. That's good. Mantler's decision to accept the blame and offer his apology should be noted. He also resigned from the RCMP - another good thing. But there's something else that needs to be noted: When Mantler is sentenced on Thursday, the judge will be asked to hand down a punishment between conditional discharge (a.k.a. essentially nothing), which is what the defence is seeking, or . probation. READ MORE: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/05/02/matt-gurney-cop-who-assaulted-brain-injured-man-to-spend-no-time-behind-bars/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, May 5, 2013 5:44 am From: "mikeack" Subject: Re: Cop who assaulted brain-injured man to spend no time ... ...behind bars Excessive force? How about attempted murder? The only reason to kick someone full force in the side of their unprotected head with a jack-booted foot when they are completely defenseless is to kill them. A more appropriate sentence would have been immediate firing off the force, and 10 full years in the slammer before parole eligibility. Unfortunately this is anything but an isolated incident. It is part of a pattern of increasingly common demeaningly arrogant belligerence toward the public they are supposed to serve. It is another common scenario to have the police video and audio recording conveniently malfunction in these cases. Had their not been a motorist with a camera, you can bet hundred dollar bills against my horses road apples that Mr. Tavares would have been facing trumped-up charges to "justify" the level of force abused against him. When will the police be held to the same standard of civilized conduct as the rest of us? Until they are, the public has every right to express their disgust by word and deed. In addition, parents and grand parents today would be well advised to teach our young ones techniques of how to survive an encounter with the police. -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 12:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: letter to Globe and Mail (just sent) Options for your child's first firearm ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, Elizabeth Renzetti points to what she imagines is "gun culture" as the root cause for the tragic incident of the five year old who shot his two year old sister. It was instead an abject failure in judgement. To provide a five year old with unsupervised access to a loaded firearm is akin to handing an AK-47 to a chimpanzee. Toy guns, in my opinion, are very dangerous insofar as it requires none of the disciplines and responsibilities, and actually encourages the type of "bang-bang, you're dead" play in the absence of any consequences, much like tv's constant portrayal of firearm abuse. Couple this disconnected view with the "guns are bad" culture which further deepens the mystique and attraction around them, while offering no modicum of protection against mishandling, and such tragedies are inevitable. Having taught many children how to safely handle real firearms (without incident), the first step is to ensure that the child is old enough to understand the consequences of an accident. It is only when a child is able to discern the difference between make-believe and reality that one can begin to build the skills and judgment required for responsible ownership. Until then, proper direct one-on-one supervision is a fundamental pre-requisite. Firearms, in spite of the fear, mis-understanding and rhetoric, can be a valuable tool to teach life skills to a youngster, and not just the harbingers of destruction Renzetti would have us believe. Regardless of whether a child properly educated in the ways of firearm safety chooses to continue in the sport, they have at least learned the rudiments of safety, responsibility and respect which form the basis for the real gun culture, and entry in to responsible society. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 11:43:52 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Feds Scarier Than Terrorists, Excerpt: Insider Report from Newsmax.com Sunday, May 05, 2013 Poll: Americans Worry More About Govt Than Terrorism A poll conducted just days after the Boston Marathon bombings shows that despite that tragedy, Americans are more concerned that government will trample constitutional rights than they are about the government failing to prevent terrorist attacks. The Washington Post survey posed the question this way: "Which worries you more: that the government will not go far enough to investigate terrorism because of concerns about constitutional rights, or that it will go too far in compromising constitutional rights in order to investigate terrorism?" Nearly half - 48 percent - said they are concerned the government will go too far, while 41 percent believe it will not go far enough. The rest said "neither" or had no opinion. As recently as 2010, a Post poll found that just 27 percent feared government will go too far, compared to 63 percent who said they were more concerned it will not go far enough. The new poll also disclosed that 66 percent of Americans believe "terrorists will always find a way to launch major attacks," while 30 percent say the government can eventually prevent all major attacks. Respondents in a Fox News poll also conducted after the Boston bombings expressed sentiments similar to those in the Post survey. The Fox poll asked: "Would you be willing to give up some of your personal freedom in order to reduce the threat of terrorism?" Only 43 percent said "yes," while 45 percent said "no" - the first time since 9/11 that more respondents said "no" than "yes" in a Fox News survey. Just 38 percent of respondents under age 35 in the new Fox poll said "yes," while 51 percent of those 65 and older said "yes." Newsmax.com 1501 Northpoint Parkway, Suite 104 West Palm Beach, FL 33407 USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 12:14:53 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Dickinson College will host a discussion Tuesday night on ... ...gun control being considered http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna-valley/cumberland/dickinson-college-to-host-gun-control-discussion/-/9704098/19944926/-/dnuml7z/-/index.html Apr 29, 2013 Dickinson College will host a discussion Tuesday night on gun control being considered by the (Pa.) state legislature. State Rep. Stephen Bloom and Sen. Larry Farnese will discuss the pros and cons and the potential impacts that gun control could have on residents. The event is free and will start at 7 p.m. in the Stern Center. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.repbloom.com/NewsItem.aspx?NewsID188 Bloom to Participate in Dickinson College Gun Rights Discussion 4/23/2013 CARLISLE - Rep. Stephen Bloom (R-Cumberland) will stand up for Pennsylvanians' Second Amendment rights in a discussion about gun control provisions currently being considered by the state Legislature to be held at Dickinson College on Tuesday, April 30. The discussion will take place at 7 p.m. in the Great Room of the Stern Center on Dickinson College campus, located at 28 North College St., Carlisle. "The rights guaranteed by our Constitution mean more to me than just words written on parchment long ago. They are the blueprint our forefathers designed to guarantee that the law-abiding citizens of this country would be free from the tyranny of government," said Bloom. Bloom will speak opposite Sen. Larry Farnese (D-Philadelphia) in a debate-style discussion on Pennsylvania citizens' right to keep and bear arms, and current legislation surrounding gun control. The discussion, sponsored by the Clarke Forum for Contemporary Issues, is free and open to the public. "I'm looking forward to a dynamic discussion with Senator Farnese about a timely issue that is an essential part of the American fabric of freedom," said Bloom. Bloom is a co-sponsor of several gun rights bills, including House Bill 357, which would make any new federal gun control laws unenforceable within the Commonwealth. Representative Stephen Bloom 199th District Pennsylvania House of Representatives Media Contact: Abbey Fosnot 717.260.6222 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.senatorfarnese.com/sen-farnese-rep-taylor-announce-new-legislation-to-strengthen-penalties-for-illegally-carrying-a-gun-in-philadelphia Sen. Farnese, Rep. Taylor Announce New Legislation to Strenghten Penalties for Illegally Carrying a Gun in Philadelphia PHILADELPHIA (April 4, 2013) - State Sen. Larry Farnese (D-Phila.) and State Rep. John Taylor (R-Phila.); joined today by First Deputy Police Commissioner Richard J. Ross, Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams, Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman and Delaware County District Attorney John Whelan; announced new, bipartisan legislation (Senate Bill 801 and House Bill 1091) that would make Philadelphia safer by creating a mandatory minimum sentence for illegally carrying a firearm in Philadelphia. "This legislation, which I'm proud to be working on with my friend State Representative John Taylor, not only sets a mandatory minimum sentence for illegally carrying a gun in Philadelphia, but it gives Philadelphia's law enforcement community an important new tool that will help curb gun violence and keep illegal weapons out of the hands of criminals," said Farnese. "In the end it all comes down to making sure, no matter where you live or work in Philadelphia, that everyone is safe from illegal guns and gun violence." The Philadelphia District Attorney's Office is looking to duplicate the success of a New York City law that calls for a mandatory three and a half year sentence for anyone convicted of illegally carrying a loaded firearm. Since enacted, violent crime in NYC has fallen significantly. The legislation would increase the sentence for illegally carrying of a firearm in Philadelphia under Title 18, Section 6108 to a third degree felony and add a mandatory minimum sentence of at least two years of total confinement; currently the offense is a misdemeanor. "We must do everything we can to protect our families from gun violence, and that starts with making sure those who illegally carry weapons are placed behind bars," Taylor said. "This is common sense legislation and long overdue." In addition to meeting the needs of Philadelphia, this legislation will also help the counties surrounding Philadelphia. "This legislation will make the message loud and clear - if you carry an illegal gun in Philadelphia, you will go to prison. This bill targets those criminals with illegal guns who terrorize our neighborhoods and make Philadelphia less safe. These offenders need to be in prison, not out on our streets," said Williams. In the coming days the proposed legislation will be assigned to the appropriate committees in the Pennsylvania Senate and House for review and discussion. A copy of both co-sponsorship memos is attached. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, May 5, 2013 10:04 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Overpayment by federal Tory government for ship design ... ...raises alarms by Lorne Gunter SUN NEWS - Overpayment by federal Tory government for ship design raises alarms by Lorne Gunter - 8:31 am, May 5th, 2013 - QMI AGENCY http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/05/20130505-083105.html On Thursday, the CBC's Terry Milewski reported that the federal government is vastly overpaying Irving Shipbuilding of Halifax to design Canada's new fleet of Arctic patrol ships, part of the Harper government's plan to enforce more vigorously our Artic sovereignty. Just how much is the federal government overpaying? Milewski's report claims the typical light icebreaker Ottawa wants costs $100 million to $125 million apiece. Design costs run 10%-20%. So design should be somewhere between $10 million and $25 million. The feds are cutting Irving a cheque for $288 million. The overpayment, then, would appear to be more than tenfold. It's possible there is no overpayment at all. When the icebreaker program was announced in 2007, the cost for six to eight vessels was estimated at $3.1 billion; $288 million is less than 10% of that amount - or just about what is to be expected. But if it turns out the design costs are not outrageous, then the scandal becomes the building costs. How is it the Norwegians, Danes and Irish have all managed to buy the kind of ship Canada is in the market for for $100 million to $125 million while Ottawa is planning to pay between $400 million and $520 million each? Maybe the difference springs from Ottawa's insistence on building the ships domestically from scratch rather than buying vessels "off the shelf" from Norway, South Korea, Poland or some other nation with plenty of experience and capacity for light-duty military ships. Canada's ship building capacity has been on the decline for half a century, so perhaps the extra costs are, in effect, paying to reinvent the wheel here. (Or maybe that should be reinventing the rudder.) Even that would be a scandal. It would amount to bilking taxpayers nationwide to pay for regional jobs and bribe regional voters. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay $3 billion for ships that could be had for less than $1 billion just to serve the Tories' political ends. This is an especial problem for the Tories, not because it is a unique waste of money. It isn't. All governments waste on a similar scale. It's the nature of governments at every level to be inefficient. They can't help it. But it is a particular damaging for Conservatives because voters elect them to be capable stewards of the economy and effective managers of public funds. Like the auditor-general's revelations this week that Ottawa in unable to account for nearly 25% of its anti-terror spending since 9-11 and that it fritters away $3 billion a decade on Employment Insurance overpayments and fraud, the Milewski report stings the Tories more than it would a Liberal or New Democrat government because it undermines the narrative at the core of the Harper government's electability. The Liberals and New Democrats could shrug off the ship-design report more easily because voters don't expect them to be good with sums. Voters don't pick Tories if they want more benefits and social programs, or if they're looking for more regulation, economic meddling, union certification, redistributive taxation or an expansion of the civil service. They sometimes get those things from Tories, such when the Harper government decided to buy a couple of car companies rather than let the free market take its course. But it's not what they're looking for. When voters are desirous of bigger government, they vote Liberal or NDP and know they'll have to tolerate waste and sloppiness. They switch to the Tories when the tire of poor management and high taxes. So the Harper government has to be careful to guard its reputation for sensible government or voters may switch to a real lib-left party. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 08:31:47 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: "Ottawa seeks new supplier to notify gun licence holders At 09:35 AM 01/05/2013 -0600, you wrote: >...their renewal fee is due" > > >Another act of stupidity on top of the Act of Stupidity known as the >Canadian Firearms Act. > >They're stuck in a mud hole and still think they can keep on digging >while throwing more >mud in our face. > >Repeal and Reform is the only way. > > >Ottawa seeks new supplier to notify gun licence holders their renewal >fee is due > >By Bruce Cheadle, The Canadian Press April 30, 2013 > > >OTTAWA - The Harper government is seeking a new supplier to send out >hundreds of thousands of gun licence renewal applications and reminders >to firearms owners. > The privacy laws do not allow the federal government to share the personal information of gun owners with a private corporation without the permission of the gun owners. 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