From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #785 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, June 28 2013 Volume 15 : Number 785 In this issue: Replay of Cold Lake Re: Residents angry as RCMP sieze guns from High River homes NFA MEDIA RELEASE: Victory In Quebec! "‘Hell to pay:’ Residents angry as RCMP ... Letter to Globe and Mail (just sent) ... High River RCMP Looters are CRIMINALS and must be treated as ... Re: Man arrested after search Remember New Orleans? It can't happen here? Police outrage ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, June 27, 2013 5:34 pm From: "mikeack" Subject: Replay of Cold Lake http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/Hell+Residents+angry+RCMP+sieze+guns+from+High+River+homes/8588851/story.html To the non-shooter who asks why we get so upset about the police taking a safety precaution, I say: The reason we gunnies get our dander up is that the inalienable rights that are supposed to be Charter-guaranteed to every Canadian citizen and permanent resident are denied to us as a matter of course. Believe me when I tell you that this is just one incident in a long, systematic chain of abuses against us. These houses were locked, otherwise forced entry by the police would not be required. The legally-stored firearms they contained were as safe as if the owners were on vacation - in fact they were safer, since the police had evacuated the town and there was little chance of any break-ins. That our rights to be free from unwarranted search and seizure and to be presumed innocent can be so blithely brushed aside is galling to say the least. This is just part of a slippery slope that we have seen many times before in history. It bodes ill for the whole of society, not just us. Mark my words, in short order it will be your ox being gored. Consider how you would feel if they broke into your house, pawed through your private belongings, snickered and lewdly joked at your choice of undergarments perhaps, all in the name of "public safety" for no other reason than you owned a computer, and computers can be stolen and abused to create kiddie-porn. Please try to understand our outrage at this abuse of office. -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, June 27, 2013 5:36 pm From: "Sean Penney" Subject: Re: Residents angry as RCMP sieze guns from High River homes This is outrageous. Apparently CF troops were re-tasked to aid the RCMP in this "public service." On Thursday, June 27, 2013, Dennis R. Young wrote: > 'Hell to pay:' Residents angry as RCMP sieze guns from High River homes > 'It's just like Nazi Germany,' says resident > By Trevor Howell, Calgary Herald June 27, 2013 4:06 PM > http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/Hell+Residents+angry+RCMP+sieze+gu > ns+from+High+River+homes/8588851/story.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, June 27, 2013 11:32 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: NFA MEDIA RELEASE: Victory In Quebec! CANADA’S NATIONAL FIREARMS ASSOCIATION MEDIA RELEASE Date: Thursday, June 27, 2013 Victory In Quebec! http://nfa.ca/news/media-release-victory-quebec According to NFA President Sheldon Clare, "The unanimous decision of the Quebec Court of Appeal to deny the Quebec government access to the records of the firearms registry is a victory for firearms owners everywhere in Canada. It is also a victory for the rule of law." Speaking from Edmonton, Clare said that Canada's National Firearms Association is proud to support the Quebec firearms community in their victory. Regarding the possibility of an appeal, Clare and NFA Executive Vice President Shawn Bevins both pointed out that it would be unusual for the Supreme Court of Canada to hear an appeal against a unanimous decision. Regardless, said Bevins, "Firearms owners everywhere need to be vigilant about their rights. The registry was only one small part of the problems that are faced by good people every day. There are many onerous and unnecessary provisions in the Firearms Act that arose from former bills C-17 and C-68. Quebec's Bill 20, that would create a provincial firearms registry, is dependent upon having access to the registry records. The Quebec government knows that it would cost an outrageous part of the provincial budget to bring in a registry." Clare agreed, "It's time for firearms owners to push back against 32 years of bad and unnecessary gun laws. Canada's National Firearms Association is this country's largest advocacy organization promoting the rights and freedoms of all responsible firearm owners and users. For more information contact: Blair Hagen, Executive VP Communications, 604-753-8682 Blair@nfa.ca Sheldon Clare, President, 250-981-1841 Sheldon@nfa.ca Shawn Bevins, Executive VP, 819-313-2887 shawn@nfa.ca Canada's NFA toll-free number - 1-877-818-0393 NFA Website: www.nfa.ca -30- -------------------------- ASSOCIATION CANADIENNE POUR LES ARMES À FEU - LE 27 JUIN, 2013 VICTOIRE http://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/Victoire.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:03:36 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "‘Hell to pay:’ Residents angry as RCMP ... ...sieze guns from High River homes Is there a greater thief of firearms in Canada than the RCMP? Okay, rhetorical question. So vacate your home under RCMP order and find it looted by the RCMP. Fool me once... Now this is time for High River to demand Prime Minister Harper come out there(along with the local MP and MLA, and attempt to justify this to the residents of High River in a public meeting! And High River should invite their fellow Albertans, too, and put it on cable tv. As long as the RCMP are used as provincial police under the current Cdn. Firearms laws, this is inevitable. Every province, every community will experience this. It's only a matter of timing. Having a long gun registration system or not means nothing when they can simply go rooting through your home after ordering you to vacate it. C-68 means Section 8 of the Charter, is of no force or effect, the people most likely to violate it. They get to declare an emergency anytime they want to do a firearms raid. What's to stop them? A criminal law requiring firearms to be locked in easily identified cabinets, not hidden away, was to "prevent gun theft". Evidently, more the opposite. A snowstorm, a thunderstorm, a high wind warning, a power failure, a tornado warning. The next logical step if this is allowed to stand, is having to drop off your guns with the nearest RCMP detachment in case you go away on holidays or for a long weekend. But look if they're "safe" in the government buildings of police but "safe" in citizen homes why would they really want to give them back? This is test. Planned or not, it is a test. This is a paradigm example of what criminalization of simple possession of a firearm in the hands of an honest citizen has done to Canada. Your gun isn't your gun, it's the federal government's gun, they are only leasing it to you with a temporary 5 year revocable lease, under any terms they decide, including this High River example. Under the new made up terms of your lease, your property...err I mean their property, is safer in their house than yours. Logical isn't it? As it's derived from the premise underpinning C-68(1995). Everybody print off this article and photos and mail a copy to your Conservative Member of Parliament. Make other copies to distribute, make an appointment with your M.P. (go in groups of 3 or more and say you're looking to decide who to work for and who to donate money for in the upcoming federal election.) They are off for the summer and have time to meet everyone. Prime Minister Harper is going to shuffle his cabinet this summer. Voters are important, organized voters are a politicians nightmare. It means they might have to start practicing a speech congratulating their rival on election night. At the very least the citizens of High River should hire their own municipal police force. Reasserting civilian control of the police, one step in re-establishing the free and democratic society our ancestors fought, bled and died for. So now that Alberta has a newly independent Member of Parliament. Let's see if he has the moxy to raise this issue around the province? If there is or would like to be a political group in Alberta representing the rights of firearms ownership, this is an opportunity, one of the last few. Organize a series of public meetings throughout rural and small town Albera to start with. High River policing? No....more like High Handed... ========================= ========================= === http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/Hell+Residents+angry+RCMP+sieze+ guns+from+High+River+homes/8588851/story.html#ixzz2XTRDzF4e ‘Hell to pay:’ Residents angry as RCMP sieze guns from High River homes ‘It’s just like Nazi Germany,’ says resident By Trevor Howell, Calgary Herald June 27, 2013 Evacuees confronted the RCMP on the northwest corner of town in a bid to enter the Town of High River on Thursday, June 27th 2013, one week after the Highwood River Flooded leaving the whole town empty. RCMP laid a spike belt down across the road to prevent them from travelling down it. Photograph by: Lorraine Hjalte , Calgary Herald HIGH RIVER — RCMP revealed Thursday that officers have seized a “substantial amount” of firearms from homes in the evacuated town of High River. “We just want to make sure that all of those things are in a spot that we control, simply because of what they are,” said Sgt. Brian Topham. “People have a significant amount of money invested in firearms ... so we put them in a place that we control and that they’re safe.” That news didn’t sit well with a crowd of frustrated residents who had planned to breach a police checkpoint northwest of the town as an evacuation order stretched into its eighth day. “I find that absolutely incredible that they have the right to go into a person’s belongings out of their home,” said resident Brenda Lackey, after learning Mounties have been taking residents’ guns. “When people find out about this there’s going to be untold hell to pay.” See photos from the scene. About 30 RCMP officers set up a blockade at the checkpoint, preventing 50 residents from walking into the town. Dozens more police cars, lights on, could be seen lining streets in the town on standby. Officers laid down a spike belt to stop anyone from attempting to drive past the blockade. That action sent the crowd of residents into a rage. “What’s next? Tear gas?” shouted one resident. “It’s just like Nazi Germany, just taking orders,” shouted another. “This is the reason the U.S. has the right to bear arms,” said Charles Timpano, pointing to the group of Mounties. Officers were ordered to fall back about an hour into the standoff in order to diffuse the situation and listen to residents’ concerns. “We don’t want our town to turn into another New Orleans,” said resident Jeff Langford. “The longer that the water stays in our houses the worse it’s going to be. We’ll either be bulldozing them or burning them down because we’ve got an incompetent government.” Langford blasted High River Mayor Emile Blokland over comments made Wednesday in which Blokland said residents will be allowed to return after businesses, such as hardware and drug stores, are opened. “It was ridiculous,” said Langford. “I think he’s a puppet on a string.” Langford said Premier Redford should come to High River to address residents’ concerns and provide information. “This is at the highest tension,” he said. “What’s going to happen next is that people are just going to be walking across these fields, and I don’t care if they put hundreds of thousand of police officers there, they’re not going to stop from getting in.” Sgt. Topham said he didn’t know when residents would be allowed to return to their homes. “People much higher up are going to make those decisions,” he said. He did confirm that officer relied on forced entry to get into numerous houses during the early stages of the flood because of an “urgent need”, said Topham. Police are no longer forcing themselves into homes and the residences that were forced open will be secured, he said. Topham said the confiscated firearms have been inventoried and are secured at an RCMP detachment. He was not at liberty to say how many firearms had been confiscated. “We have seized a large quantity of firearms simply because they were left by residents in their places,” said Topham. The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership, Topham added. Residents promised to returned to the checkpoint at noon every day until they are allowed to return to their homes. © Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/Hell+Residents+angry+RCMP+sieze+guns+from+High+River+homes/8588851/story.html#ixzz2XUGcPcTc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Letter to Globe and Mail (just sent) ... Ottawa controls gun data (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, The federal government does indeed own the registry data, and in order to do so, the Liberal government of Jean Chretien ammended the criminal code to include sections 91 and 92 which essentially make the simple possession of any firearm, in the absence of any wrongdoing a criminal offense. This sweeping measure flies in the face of fundamental justice, as each and every effective public safety measure had already been implemented under the previous Firearms Acquisition regime which was superior in every way to the flawed Firearms Act, respecting both the jurisdiction of provinces, and the Charter right to presumption of innocence. More than registration, this wholesale criminalization of a scrupulously law abiding segment of the population, exposing them to penalties including up to ten years of incarceration, has brought the law into disrepute. Such legislation is not the stuff of a constitutional democracy, and harkens instead to a dictatorship. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, June 28, 2013 8:05 am From: "Christopher di Armani" Subject: High River RCMP Looters are CRIMINALS and must be treated as ... ...such IMMEDIATELY http://christopherdiarmani.com/10532/police/abuse-of-police-authority/high-river-rcmp-looters-criminals-treated-immediately/ RCMP members and commanders in High River, Alberta, are the worst kind of criminals imaginable. They lay in wait for you until you are at your most vulnerable before they rape and pillage your belongings and then demand YOU pick up the tab for their thievery and destruction. Sounds harsh, doesn’t it. It is. The more articles I read describing what these RCMP criminals did the angrier I become. Yes, they are criminals. They broke into people’s homes, stole their property and left. That is a criminal act any way you cut it. These RCMP thieves and looters… I really cannot call them anything else… readily admit they broke into people’s homes after they, the RCMP, evacuated the town. He (RCMP Sgt. Brian Topham) did confirm that officer relied on forced entry to get into numerous houses during the early stages of the flood because of an “urgent need”. What an utterly absurd statement. “Urgent need???” They already evacuated the town. What possible “urgent need” could there be to break into people’s homes and search them, illegally search them without a warrant let me remind you, for firearms? Which homes did they search? Every home? Or did they just search the homes of “known firearm owners“? That would mean law-abiding firearm owners, by definition, since only law-abiding firearm owners take the time and trouble to obtain a firearms license, which leads to the next conclusion: the RCMP used the federal firearm owner licensing database to obtain the home addresses of every known firearm owner in High River, Alberta. If that doesn’t terrify you then you simply aren’t paying attention. This is far more heinous than it appears to the average Canadian, I’m certain. These criminals then had the audacity to publicly state they were “no longer forcing themselves into homes” and any home they did break into already “would be secured.” Comforting, isn’t it? The homes were already secure before these criminals broke into them! It’s like a serial rapist telling his rape victim everything is all right because he’s going to give her a shower, get her all cleaned up and then drop her off at the nearest hospital. This is both repulsive and disgusting behaviour from civil servants who supposedly protect Canadians, not steal their property to serve their own political anti-gun agenda. “We just want to make sure that all of those things are in a spot that we control, simply because of what they are,” said Sgt. Brian Topham. “People have a significant amount of money invested in firearms … so we put them in a place that we control and that they’re safe.” Is this moron for real? Obviously the firearms were safe if these criminals had to physically break into homes to steal them! “I find that absolutely incredible that they have the right to go into a person’s belongings out of their home,” said resident Brenda Lackey, after learning Mounties have been taking residents’ guns. “When people find out about this there’s going to be untold hell to pay.” That’s just it. They DON’T have the right to break into your home and steal your property. They are criminals. This is the ugly hand of the RCMP’s unspoken but very real pogrom against Canada’s law-abiding firearm owners in action: to seize firearms by any means necessary and only return those you absolutely must. “We have seized a large quantity of firearms simply because they were left by residents in their places,” said Sgt. Topham. Really? “Left Behind?“ Is that honestly the best story they can peddle? How would the RCMP thieves know any firearms were “left by residents in their places” unless they had not first broke into people’s homes and searched them illegally and without a search warrant? This is an important point, and one that every media outlet in the nation ought to be screaming about from the rooftops. Warrantless searches of an entire evacuated town is something we would decry in every newscast in the nation if it happened in Zimbabwe or some other third-world nation, yet when it happens right here in Canada we barely get a bored and tired yawn from anyone. Let me recap. First, the RCMP breaks into the homes of flood victims, ransacks their private property and steals that which they deem “dangerous” or “politically incorrect“, then they lay down spike belts across roads so we “mere citizens” can’t drive past their blockade into town. As heinous and repulsive as all of this is, it’s not even the worst of it. Are you ready for that? RCMP will not return firearms to anyone who cannot “prove ownership”. That certainly sounds like firearm confiscation, doesn’t it? The long gun registry is dead. I know I’ve bought a lot of firearms since then where there is no paper trail. What do I need a receipt for? I paid cash for the guns and both parties were exceedingly happy with the transactions. But in High River, Alberta? Good luck. No receipt, no way the RCMP is going to hand back your personal property even though they most certainly, even in the thrill of their thievery, made note of which firearms they stole from which address, right? It wasn’t even my home these thieves broke into and *I* feel violated. When the RCMP lays criminal charges for “illegal possession of a firearm” against High River residents as a result of their thievery that’s when the real **** will hit the proverbial fan. If you know anyone who lives in High River, Alberta, who had their home broken into by the RCMP and their private property stolen… er removed for their own good… then please urge them to do the following: 1. File an official complaint with the RCMP Complaints Commission. 2. File an official complaint directly with RCMP Commissioner Robert Paulson. 3. Photograph the evidence of the break and entry. Send copies of those photos with a description of the RCMP ransacking of their home to the Mayor of High River, their local MLA and MP and to the Prime Minister of Canada. 4. Send copies of the photos and the description of the RCMP looting of their home to Brian Lilley at Sun TV. 5. Send copies of the photos and the description of the RCMP thievery to every local, provincial and national newspaper in the country. Heck, send me a copy and I will post it here, minus personally identifying information, of course! Don’t stop talking about this to every newspaper and television reporter you can find. Keep calling the RCMP Complaints Commission and RCMP Commissioner Robert Paulson’s office until you get answers about whose heads will roll as a result of this unconstitutional and criminal action perpetrated against flood victims. Keep calling your MLA’s and MP’s offices until you get answers. Honest and complete answers about why the RCMP felt the urgent need to steal from law-abiding Canadians already evacuated from their homes. These officially-sanctioned gun thieves must be brought to justice. Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com http://diArmani.com http://ChristopherDiArmani.com http://Bulletin.RightsAndFreedoms.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, June 27, 2013 3:40 pm From: jyoung@aernet.ca Subject: Re: Man arrested after search Not necessarily, Joe... If our guns were stolen, many of us could easily provide the S/N and they'd place it on CPIC...locating it later would trigger a hit. I'm 110% certain that copies of the LGR exist. I'm equally certain that they'd dare not use it. "Yet" Cheers. ------Original Message------ From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Man arrested after search Sent: Jun 26, 2013 15:03 No discussion about how the Emergency Response Team determined the firearm was stolen, eh? Harper's gun registry? Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/arrested+after+search/8579278/story.html Man arrested after search The StarPhoenix June 26, 2013 A Saskatoon man faces several charges after a search of an apartment turned up drugs and a stolen gun. At around 8 p.m. Monday, Saskatoon police, including the Emergency Response Team, executed a search warrant on the 300 block of Haight Crescent, according to a news release. They recovered cocaine, packaging commonly used for drug distribution and a stolen firearm. The 35-year-old was scheduled to appear in court Tuesday facing charges including possession of stolen property under $5,000, possession for the purpose of trafficking and several firearms offences. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, June 27, 2013 5:10 pm From: jyoung@aernet.ca Subject: Remember New Orleans? It can't happen here? Police outrage ... ... in Alberta by out-of-control RCMP Great way to re-create a LGR...one disaster-struck town at a time. If ever there were a cause for *all* Canadians to bind together and be outraged...THIS. IS. IT. With the repeal of the LGR, how many firearms owners can now *positively* identify N/R arms as being our own property? Guys, this is serious. ########################### It can't happen here? Police outrage in Alberta by out-of-control RCMP. Residents in High River we forced to evacuate their homes. They didn't have a choice. Those who refused to leave would be physically removed.  In High River Alberta the RCMP broke into the homes of Canadians and stole their firearms.  "The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership," said  Sgt. Brian Topham." ------ ‘Hell to pay:’ Residents angry as RCMP sieze guns from High River homes ‘It’s just like Nazi Germany,’ says resident By Trevor Howell, Calgary Herald June 27, 2013 3:40 PM Evacuees confronted the RCMP on the northwest corner of town in a bid to enter the Town of High River on Thursday, June 27th 2013, one week after the Highwood River Flooded leaving the whole town empty. RCMP laid a spike belt down across the road to prevent them from travelling down it. Photograph by: Lorraine Hjalte , Calgary Herald HIGH RIVER — RCMP revealed Thursday that officers have seized a “substantial amount” of firearms from homes in the evacuated town of High River. “We just want to make sure that all of those things are in a spot that we control, simply because of what they are,” said Sgt. Brian Topham. “People have a significant amount of money invested in firearms ... so we put them in a place that we control and that they’re safe.” That news didn’t sit well with a crowd of frustrated residents who had planned to breach a police checkpoint northwest of the town as an evacuation order stretched into its eighth day. “I find that absolutely incredible that they have the right to go into a person’s belongings out of their home,” said resident Brenda Lackey, after learning Mounties have been taking residents’ guns. “When people find out about this there’s going to be untold hell to pay.” About 30 RCMP officers set up a blockade at the checkpoint, preventing 50 residents from walking into the town. Dozens more police cars, lights on, could be seen lining streets in the town on standby. Officers laid down a spike belt to stop anyone from attempting to drive past the blockade. That action sent the crowd of residents into a rage. “What’s next? Tear gas?” shouted one resident. “It’s just like Nazi Germany, just taking orders,” shouted another. “This is the reason the U.S. has the right to bear arms,” said Charles Timpano, pointing to the group of Mounties. Officers were ordered to fall back about an hour into the standoff in order to diffuse the situation and listen to residents’ concerns. “We don’t want our town to turn into another New Orleans,” said resident Jeff Langford. “The longer that the water stays in our houses the worse it’s going to be. We’ll either be bulldozing them or burning them down because we’ve got an incompetent government.” Langford blasted High River Mayor Emile Blokland over comments made Wednesday in which Blokland said residents will be allowed to return after businesses, such as hardware and drug stores, are opened. “It was ridiculous,” said Langford. “I think he’s a puppet on a string.” Langford said Premier Redford should come to High River to address residents’ concerns and provide information. “This is at the highest tension,” he said. “What’s going to happen next is that people are just going to be walking across these fields, and I don’t care if they put hundreds of thousand of police officers there, they’re not going to stop from getting in.” Sgt. Topham said he didn’t know when residents would be allowed to return to their homes. “People much higher up are going to make those decisions,” he said. He did confirm that officer relied on forced entry to get into numerous houses during the early stages of the flood because of an “urgent need”, said Topham. Police are no longer forcing themselves into homes and the residences that were forced open will be secured, he said. Topham said the confiscated firearms have been inventoried and are secured at an RCMP detachment. He was not at liberty to say how many firearms had been confiscated. “We have seized a large quantity of firearms simply because they were left by residents in their places,” said Topham. The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership, Topham added. Residents promised to returned to the checkpoint at noon every day until they are allowed to return to their homes. © Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #785 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)