From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #790 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, June 30 2013 Volume 15 : Number 790 In this issue: Gun-rights group plans nation's first 'open carry' run RE: Chris on High River looters... Digest V15 #785 RE: Matt Gurney: High River citizens right to be suspicious ... White House Study Finds Guns Save Lives by Mac Salvo Re: [RFB] High River's RCMP Firearm Looters are CRIMINALS ... RE: [RFB] High River's RCMP Firearm Looters are CRIMINALS ... RCMP burglaries JPFO - Mythbusting: Destroying the gun control Myth Re: Liberals/Conservatives agree- Digest V15 #781 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 07:23:06 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Gun-rights group plans nation's first 'open carry' run http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/30/utah-gun-rights-group-plans-open-carry-5k/?testlatestnews Utah gun-rights group plans nation's first 'open carry' run Published June 30, 2013 Associated Press SALT LAKE CITY - Running with scissors is generally considered a risky endeavor, but one group of Utah residents says running with a gun isn't. Organizers of the "Run 4 Guns" planned for this fall in Spanish Fork, Utah, are touting the event as the nation's first open carry run. The group is inviting runners to bring not only their tennis shoes and water bottles, but their gun holsters, as well. Organizer Macgregor Whiting of Mapleton said the September 5K race, which was first reported by Salt Lake City Weekly, aims to celebrate Second Amendment rights and show that gun owners are responsible, normal people. In addition to the 3.1 mile race, they'll have a half-mile "armed dash." Proceeds from the event will go toward victims of gun violence, Whiting said. "Our purpose is to create more awareness and to make a difference," Whiting said Friday. "We want gun owners and the right to bear arms to be seen in a true light and to be respected. And we also want to show our concern, and show that we, as citizens, we value giving back and making a difference in our community." Whiting said it's frustrating that most of the channels to give back to victims of gun violence are organizations that promote gun-control policies. According to the race website, run4guns.com, organizers are seeking a charity to give the money to and may end up directly giving the proceeds to individual victims of gun violence. Gary Sackett with Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah says the event sends the wrong message and could lead to an accidental shooting. "Raising money for victims of violence of any kind is a worthy cause and should be supported," Sackett said. "As to the necessity or even the symbolism of strapping on your guns to do so, seems to us to be at best, sophomoric and juvenile." Sackett said that if people are running around with firearms that contain ammunition, it's "just asking for trouble. And there's no particular point to it." Whiting said people who say the event is a dangerous or unsafe idea have limited knowledge of and experience with firearms. Second Amendment activists "are so often painted as extreme and insensitive," Whiting said, and if enough people show up for the cause and demonstrate that they're not misusing the weapons, it will dispel that idea. Participants in the race will be asked to secure their guns in a holster or zip tie the weapon so it's disabled and the trigger cannot be pulled. The Spanish Fork Police Department said no one was available Friday to comment on the run or on any concerns about the safety of the event. Spanish Fork Mayor G. Wayne Andersen did not return a message seeking comment. Dave Larsen, manager of Doug's Shoot N' Sports in Taylorsville and a former police officer who spent more than 10 years as a certified firearms instructor, said if organizers are checking weapons and ensuring that they're in a holster or zip tied, there shouldn't be a safety issue. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 07:56:08 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Chris on High River looters... Digest V15 #785 >Anger with the those who have committed this looting of private property is an appropriate response, especially from citizens who still believe in such rights. There are plenty of citizens and other residents who support "my government, right or wrong". >This includes Section 8 of the Charter, a right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure. If the Charter were worth the paper it isn't written on the Supreme Court would have heard Bruce Montague's case. >But a special focus needs to be on Prime Minister Stephen Harper, whose gun laws, support the police taking such action. Since specifically choosing to endorse the C-17 of Kim >Campbell/Mulroney and 98 percent of C-68, minus the 2% of the long gun registry, these are now the Harper Conservative gun laws. I have come to believe all political parties who stand a chance of forming government must be corrupt to reach that position. Harper does not support Liberty. He represents Bilderberg, Davos, and Globalism generally to us, rather than defending us from that tyranny. How did Mulroney and Chretien become so rich after a career in politics? It wasn't astute investments in pork bellies. Kim Campbell would never have been appointed to represent Canada in Los Angeles, nor to the teaching post at Harvard without having been Prime Minister. Let's not forget Gordon "Gordo" Campbell, who was extracted from his BC problems and parachuted into a plum job in London representing Canada - after tenure as the most corrupt politician in BC history. Globalists look after their own. Support for Liberty will get you anywhere with the globalists. Any bets Harper doesn't leave office a millionaire? I wouldn't be surprised if he "threw the fight" in exchange for such a reward. 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:10:47 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Matt Gurney: High River citizens right to be suspicious ... ...as ... >RCMP officers, as part of search and rescue teams, moved through the town after the waters rose, forcing their way into houses to check for survivors, stranded pets and the bodies of anyone >who may have perished. Of course in the fog of war, who's to say pets and others weren't shot? A dog protecting its home, perhaps, or a citizen....swept away in the flood. RCMP and other police in Canada and abroad seem to get away with an inordinate amount of shooting pets and citizens in the ordinary course of their duties. It is bad enough when civilian oversight committees let them off the hook, but the RCMP gets to clean their own house. Am I the only one who finds this offensive? Clive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, June 30, 2013 9:47 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: White House Study Finds Guns Save Lives by Mac Salvo White House Study Finds Guns Save Lives: 'Consistently Lower Injury Rates Among Gun Using Crime Victims' by Mac Slavo, SHTF Plan - June 29, 2013 - http://lewrockwell.com/slavo/slavo161.html Though statistics prove time and again that disarming a free people leads to more violent crime and the potential for mass government democide, it hasn't stopped President Barrack Obama and his Congressional entourage from doing everything in their power to make it more difficult for Americans to legally own firearms. Citing the Sandy Hook mass shooting last year, democrats on the hill have claimed that we must restrict gun ownership and strip the Second Amendment for the safety of our children and the general public. But a new report commissioned by the White House titled Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-related Violence suggests what many self defense gun proponents have been saying for years. The report, ordered under one of President Obama's 23 Executive Orders signed in the wake of the Sandy Hook incident, asked the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the National Research Council and other federal agencies to identify the "most pressing problems in firearms violence." To the surprise of the authors and those who would no doubt have used the report to further restrict access to personal defense firearms, the study found that gun ownership actually saves lives and those who have a firearm at their disposal improve their chances of survival and reduce their chance of injury in the event they are confronted by a violent criminal: Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year. . The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use. A different issue is whether defensive use of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun wielding crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was "used" by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self protective strategies. Full Study available at the National Academy of Sciences http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=18319 Via: Blacklisted News / Story Leak Consider that 3 million people use a gun to defend themselves from harm every year. This means that over 8,000 Americans every day act with potentially deadly force to prevent injury or death to themselves or a family member. In addition to overwhelming evidence that owning a gun reduces your chances of injury when attacked, regardless of whether you fire your gun or not, the new report proves that there has been a decades' long obfuscation of national statistics that have been used to determine the importance of guns in self defense. Up until this study became available, anti-gun politicians often cited figures that indicated that just 108,000 people a year used guns in self defense. The new study suggests that those numbers were off by over 2500%. The new White House report coupled with evidence from Australia, Britain and Canada shows that reduction of personal gun ownership is a road to more violence, injury and death. The President commissioned this study in the hopes of finding a reason to take more guns from law abiding Americans. What it found, however, is that the answer to gun violence in America is. arming more Americans. Mac Slavo [send him mail] is a small business owner and independent investor. mac@shtfplan.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:48:54 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Re: [RFB] High River's RCMP Firearm Looters are CRIMINALS ... ...and Must be Brought to Justice I was listening to the Roy Green show last evening, June 19, 2013. He interviewed a ranking female Mountie (I didn't get her name), Candice Bergen MP and lawyer Ed Burlew. Roy will interview a panel of folks from High River on his next show. It was discussed that lock-smiths were employed by the RCMP to open locked doors. One wonders if that included gun safe doors etc. for easy access by our cops. If the cops were on urgent search and rescue missions, why were they taking their time (5days) to open the doors using lock-smiths. I was under the impression that the Mounties kicked in the doors. While kicking in the door is destructive, using a lock-smith to open them is even more sneaky and not indicative of a search and rescue mission which must be done very rapidly or few will be rescued. As well, no pets or people were reported to have been found over the 5 day long "search and rescue mission". Burlew said the two laws employed by the cops were the Alberta's Emergency Management Act(3) which allows cops and emergency personnel to enter dwellings immediately for search and rescue efforts (people and pets) in emergencies. However, the cops then employed Harper's Firearms Act to seize guns under the Criminal Code's safe storage provisions of firearms. The Mountie claimed the guns which they "secured" were found placed on on beds etc and visible to them. An excited Bergen seemed supportive of the Mounties and at odds with the PMO's comments 'that the RCMP have better things to do during a natural disaster than seizing guns from abandoned homes'(2) (although she denied this) said that all guns must be locked up in cabinets. Her gun cabinet remark, Burlew later pointed out is incorrect. Burlew said that long guns can be openly displayed with the use of a trigger lock or other similar functioning devices. To this I add an RCMP news release saying, "All guns were tagged with the information required to ensure they can be returned to lawful owner." (1) So the cops took the time to tag and seize all these guns using Harper's unjust Firearms Act while on an emergency search and rescue mission employing an Alberta Act but finding no people or pets and taking 5 days to do it. Did the RCMP violate Alberta's Emergeny Management Act by dawdling; using precious time to open doors with lock-smiths, seize and tag guns from abandoned homes during a natural disaster instead of actually helping the people? Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox sources: 1. From: Francine HENNELLY [mailto: Francine.HENNELLY@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:13 PM 2. TEAM CSSA E-NEWS - June 29, 2013 ** Please share this E-news with your friends ** 3. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ACT RSA 2000, c E-6.8 http://www.qp.alberta.ca/570.cfm?frm_isbn—80779757947&search_bylink ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:18:11 -0600 From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: RE: [RFB] High River's RCMP Firearm Looters are CRIMINALS ... ...and Must be Brought to Justice Thanks Joe: I know of a very reliable person in High River who was unable to stop two soldiers from kicking in the front door of an empty home and later observed them carrying two civilian rifles. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Joe Gingrich [mailto:whitefox@sasktel.net] Sent: June-30-13 9:49 AM To: Canadian Firearms Digest Subject: Re: [RFB] High River's RCMP Firearm Looters are CRIMINALS and Must be Brought to Justice I was listening to the Roy Green show last evening, June 19, 2013. He interviewed a ranking female Mountie (I didn't get her name), Candice Bergen MP and lawyer Ed Burlew. Roy will interview a panel of folks from High River on his next show. It was discussed that lock-smiths were employed by the RCMP to open locked doors. One wonders if that included gun safe doors etc. for easy access by our cops. If the cops were on urgent search and rescue missions, why were they taking their time (5days) to open the doors using lock-smiths. I was under the impression that the Mounties kicked in the doors. While kicking in the door is destructive, using a lock-smith to open them is even more sneaky and not indicative of a search and rescue mission which must be done very rapidly or few will be rescued. As well, no pets or people were reported to have been found over the 5 day long "search and rescue mission". Burlew said the two laws employed by the cops were the Alberta's Emergency Management Act(3) which allows cops and emergency personnel to enter dwellings immediately for search and rescue efforts (people and pets) in emergencies. However, the cops then employed Harper's Firearms Act to seize guns under the Criminal Code's safe storage provisions of firearms. The Mountie claimed the guns which they "secured" were found placed on on beds etc and visible to them. An excited Bergen seemed supportive of the Mounties and at odds with the PMO's comments 'that the RCMP have better things to do during a natural disaster than seizing guns from abandoned homes'(2) (although she denied this) said that all guns must be locked up in cabinets. Her gun cabinet remark, Burlew later pointed out is incorrect. Burlew said that long guns can be openly displayed with the use of a trigger lock or other similar functioning devices. To this I add an RCMP news release saying, "All guns were tagged with the information required to ensure they can be returned to lawful owner." (1) So the cops took the time to tag and seize all these guns using Harper's unjust Firearms Act while on an emergency search and rescue mission employing an Alberta Act but finding no people or pets and taking 5 days to do it. Did the RCMP violate Alberta's Emergeny Management Act by dawdling; using precious time to open doors with lock-smiths, seize and tag guns from abandoned homes during a natural disaster instead of actually helping the people? Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox sources: 1. From: Francine HENNELLY [mailto: Francine.HENNELLY@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:13 PM 2. TEAM CSSA E-NEWS - June 29, 2013 ** Please share this E-news with your friends ** 3. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ACT RSA 2000, c E-6.8 http://www.qp.alberta.ca/570.cfm?frm_isbn—80779757947&search_bylink ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:38:05 -0400 From: Barry Glasgow Subject: RCMP burglaries As an aside, Sgt. Topham has been disciplined for inappropriate behaviour toward females and aboriginals as well as for destroying a car stereo of a 20-year-old he pulled over. His search and seizure techniques involving another traffic stop were also called into question during court proceedings. And these are the guys who were driving gun policy? From: Barry Glasgow Sent: June-30-13 1:12 PM To: AB Calgary Sun; AB Edmonton Sun; ON Toronto Sun; ON London London FreePress; ON Ottawa Sun; BC Vancouver Sun; Winnipeg Sun Subject: RCMP burglaries RCMP Sgt. Brian Topham explained that “People have a significant amount of money invested in firearms ... so we put them in a place that we control and that they’re safe” in order to justify breaking into flood victims' homes and confiscating private property.   But what about jewelry boxes?   I'll be heading out on vacation soon - should I take our valuables to the RCMP for safekeeping or should I just notify them and let them do their thing?   Funny how it was too dangerous to let people try and salvage their property yet not dangerous enough to prevent a large scale police burglary. Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:15:48 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: JPFO - Mythbusting: Destroying the gun control Myth JPFO Webmaster jpfo.org Friday, June 28, 2013 JPFO - Mythbusting: Destroying the gun control Myth By: Steven H. Ahle, June 23rd, 2013 Article source: http://www.examiner.com/article/destroying-the-gun-control-myth The gun control lobby is using the argument that the easy availability of guns is the cause of most if not all of gun crime, but that is a myth. Only .02% of all handguns are used in violent criminal acts in the United States. And in reality, the number is lower since this figure includes criminals who are shot in self defense. (1500-2800 out of 13,200) Another myth is that states with tough gun laws have the lowest gun violence rates. Let's take California as an example. They have the highest gun violence rate in America, but they also have the toughest gun laws on the books. New Jersey is second in gun violence as well as in tough gun laws. Massachusetts ranks third in both categories and New York ranks fourth in both. Connecticut ranks fifth in both categories and Hawaii is sixth, Maryland 7th, Rhode Island 8th, and Illinois is ninth. Pennsylvania 10th in both categories. The top 10 in gun violence are also the top 10 in gun laws and not only that but rank exactly the same place in gun violence as they rank with tough gun laws. Coincidence? The figures are HERE and HERE. What about states with the laxest gun laws? (Rating of states not in top 10 in laxest laws) 1) Alaska, Utah and Arizona tie at 0% 4) Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Montana, Oklahoma tied with 2% 9) Arkansas, Indiana, Kansas, Missouri, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, and West Virginia tied at 4% And the states with the lowest rate of gun violence? Alaska, Arizona, Florida (5), Idaho, Kentucky, Montana, New Mexico, Texas (6), Utah and Wyoming.(8) Is this a coincidence too? No. Let me give you the best example I know. Kennesaw, Ga. There is a city ordnance that requires every family to posess a gun, passed in 1982. Since that time crime has dropped an incredible 89% compared to a 10% drop statewide. Professors James Wright and Peter Rossi conducted a study sponsored by the U.S. Department of Justice. They questioned 1800 convicted felons in prison across the country. Here is a summary of what they found: 81% agreed the "smart criminal" will try to find out if a potential victim is armed. 74% felt that burglars avoided occupied dwellings for fear of being shot. 80% of "handgun predators" had encountered armed citizens. 40% did not commit a specific crime for fear that the victim was armed. 34% of "handgun predators" were scared off or shot at by armed victims. 57% felt that the typical criminal feared being shot by citizens more than he feared being shot by police. When you post the rhetoric on both sides, 2 plus 2 still equals 4. The death penalty may not be a deterrent (but it does do away with repeat offenders) but the fear of getting shot, apparently is. One of the biggest arguments the gun control lobby cites is that the Second Amendment only applied to a militia. Let's see some quotes by our Founding Fathers and the authors of our Bill of Rights: "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people ... To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them ... " -- George Mason "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. " --Thomas Jefferson "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion . . . in private self-defense. " -- John Adams "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. " -- Samuel Adams " . . arms discourage and keep invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ... Horrid mischief would ensue were [the law-abiding] deprived of the use of them. " --Thomas Paine "[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...[where] the government s are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- James Madison Well said, gentlemen. Steven H. Ahle is a conservative blogger who has written for the Charleston Tea Party and is currently the Editor of www.redstatements.co and is a regular contributor to the DC Clotheline. Refer to the "Sandy Hook Index" for an archive collection of valuable material we have shown since the events at the Newtown Elementary School. Check out Gun/Murder Statistics: A set of tabulated and graphical data showing relationships between gun numbers and murders - categorized by alphabetical countries listing. Useful research material. Thought for the day -- "Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber ... but after a shooting, the problem is the Gun ! " Yours in Freedom, The Liberty Crew at JPFO Protecting you by creating solutions to destroy "gun control" Our mailing address is: jpfo@jpfo.org P.O. Box 270143, Hartford, WI 53027, USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:54:32 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Liberals/Conservatives agree- Digest V15 #781 This letter outlining "the law" and the political philosophy of the Liberal/Conservative agreement is an important reference. The Conservative M.P.s , and that of other parties for that matter, should be challenged to debate this. The case of Ian Thompson would be a place to start. Having the M.P.s choose between political correctness where they side with would be murderers firebombing an occupied home and a citizen exercising his Constitutional/Natural Right to Life... well, lets just say for the general citizenry it would be most illuminating. Of course, neither government has repealed the section of the Criminal Code that provides for the use of prohibited/restricted weapons to protect life under a permit. That such permits are currently only granted to a few "friends of the government" is again evidence of a right acknowledged in law but denied in practice. Clearly, this is unconstitutional as per the reasoning of the Supreme Court of Canada in the Morgentaler decision. A free press is most difficult to find in Canada but with the rivalry of the internet blogs and discussion groups, sometime they do rush out and try to catch up. On 2013-06-26, at 10:18 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Date: Tue, June 25, 2013 10:39 pm > From: "Dennis R. Young" > Subject: FW: Correspondence from the Minister of Justice and Attorney > General of Canada] > > > Justice Minister Rob Nicholson: "The only time that a handgun can be > loaded is when it is in a place where it may be legally discharged, > such as a firing range." Tuesday, June 25, 2013 > Justice Minister Allan Rock: "Protection of life is NOT a legitimate > use for a firearm in this country sir! Not! That is expressly ruled > out!" Saturday, March 22, 2003 > > ------------------------- Original Message --------------------------- > Subject: Correspondence from the Minister of Justice and Attorney > General of Canada > From: "Ministerial Correspondence Unit - Mailout" > < Ministerial.CorrespondenceUnit-Mailout@justice.gc.ca > > Date: Tue, June 25, 2013 9:07 am > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Mr. ______ : > > My colleague the Honourable Vic Toews, Minister of Public Safety, has > forwarded to me a copy of your correspondence concerning mandatory minimum > penalties for firearms offences. I hope you will understand that, as > Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, I cannot comment on a > specific case or decision of the courts. > > The Government of Canada remains of the view that tougher and longer > sentences are necessary to protect Canadians from violent and dangerous > offenders. As you may know, in 2008, the Government significantly increased > the mandatory minimum penalties available for firearms possession offences > with the enactment of the Tackling Violent Crime Act. The Act increased > mandatory minimum penalty for unauthorized possession of a restricted or > prohibited firearm, found in section 95 of the Criminal Code, from 1 year to > 3 years for a first offence, when the prosecutor proceeds by indictment, and > from 3 years to 5 years for a second or subsequent conviction. > > We believe that these mandatory minimum penalties are reasonable measures > that are necessary to reduce the serious risk to public safety posed by > loaded handguns. The legal possession of firearms is highly regulated and > there are very limited legitimate purposes for which individuals can > privately own and possess handguns, such as for sport target shooting and > gun collecting. Even if an individual owns a handgun for a legitimate > purpose, the law provides stringent conditions with respect to its > possession. The only time that a handgun can be loaded is when it is in a > place where it may be legally discharged, such as a firing range. These > strict legal requirements reflect the seriousness with which the law treats > the possession and use of firearms. > > The mandatory minimum penalties for all firearms offences are consistent > with the Government's approach to the illegal use of firearms. > > I appreciate having had your comments brought to my attention. > > Yours truly, > > The Honourable Rob Nicholson ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #790 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)