From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #836 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, July 24 2013 Volume 15 : Number 836 In this issue: Two toonies says They won't name him John Surprise! Big cities safer than small towns, study finds Colorado town mulls issuing licenses to shoot down drones SMALL ARMS SURVEY: FAL Rifles in Libya The UK's new self-defence law opens the door for a Trayvon ... Judge rejects Quebec's attempt to block Ottawa from ... POLL: Do you believe that taxpayers have a right to know the ... Quebec loses another gun-registry battle with the federal ... Regarding: Judge rejects Quebec's attempt to block Ottawa ... Re: Do taxpayers have a right to know the salaries of ... Regarding: Don't taxpayers have a right to know the salaries ... Re: Colorado town mulls issuing licenses to shoot down drones "cold, wet hands" CIA wants to control the weather, climate change *NFR* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:39:45 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Two toonies says They won't name him John King John (I) 'gave' us the Magna Carta of 1215, with many of our rights and freedoms, some of which we still enjoy today. The British Royalty seem to shy away from naming their offspring after this 'generous' but famous old King. Are the Brit elite still miffed that King John lost the Royal sole at Runnymede by giving away some of their strongest powers to the people? Trudeau Mulroney, Chretien', Martin and Harper have been busy recapturing these hard won liberties from the people for their modern day police state. Two toonies says They won't name him John. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 23, 2013 9:35 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Surprise! Big cities safer than small towns, study finds Surprise! Big cities safer than small towns, study finds Overall, the risk of death from a firearm was no different in a rural vs. an urban settings. By Jeff Black, Staff Writer, NBC News - July 22, 2013 http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/23/19623252-surprise-big-cities-safer-than-small-towns-study-finds?lite It turns out the streets of the city aren't so mean after all - especially when compared with country life. A new study by University of Pennsylvania researchers upends the commonly held perception that rural small towns are safer than big cities. "Contrary to popular belief, cities do happen to be the safest place you can live," lead study author Dr. Sage Myers, a pediatrician and researcher at Penn, told NBC News. The study shows the risk of death from an injury- including shootings, vehicle accidents, drownings, falls and many other accidents - is more than 20 percent higher in rural small towns than larger cities. "Cars, guns and drugs are the unholy trinity causing the majority of injury deaths in the U.S.," Myers said. The risk of homicide is what most people think of when they look at how safe big cities are, she said. But, although homicide rates are indeed higher in big cities, the risk of unintentional injury-related deaths is a full 40 percent higher in rural areas than in urban areas. And the overall number of deaths from homicides is dwarfed by deaths from unintentional injuries. Using a federal database built using death certificate information from across the country, the study analyzed nearly 1.3 million deaths from injuries between 1999 and 2006. It excluded terrorism-related deaths.The three-year study found the potential of such deaths is 22 percent higher in the most rural counties compared with urban counties. The most common causes of injury-related deaths: motor vehicle crashes. In most rural areas there were 27.61 vehicle-related deaths per 100,000 people, compared with 10.58 deaths per 100,000 people in most urban areas, according to the study. Overall, the risk of death from a firearm was no different in a rural vs. an urban settings. Yet, for some groups of people, particularly children and people older than 45, firearm deaths were higher in rural areas. For people age 20-44, the risk of firearm deaths was greater in big cities. The study will be published online in the Annals of Emergency Medicine on Tuesday. The findings have implications for how emergency departments are staffed in rural areas, which tend to be underserved, according to the study's authors. Though the study seems to go against conventional wisdom, the disparity in injury-related deaths isn't a surprise to the emergency medical community, Dr. Howard Mell, a spokesman for the American College of Emergency Physicians, told NBC News. "At the end of the day, it's about access to care and how far you are from a trauma center," Mell said. "How fast you can get to center with trained physicians and oftentimes into the operating room." Many rural areas, he noted, simply do not have the level of emergency medical care that can be found in major American cities. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 23, 2013 9:37 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Colorado town mulls issuing licenses to shoot down drones Colorado town mulls issuing licenses to shoot down drones By Keith Coffman DENVER | Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:10pm EDT http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/18/us-usa-colorado-drones-idUSBRE96H02120130718?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews (Reuters) - The farming and ranching town of Deer Trail, Colorado, which boasts that it held the world's first rodeo in 1869, is now considering starting a 21st century tradition - paying bounties to anyone who shoots down an unmanned drone. Next month, trustees of the town of 600 that lies on the high plains 55 miles east of Denver will debate an ordinance that would allow residents to purchase a $25 hunting license to shoot down "unmanned aerial vehicles." Similar to the bounties governments once paid to hunters who killed animals that preyed on livestock, but only after they produced the ears, the town would pay $100 to anyone who can produce the fuselage and tail of a downed drone. "Either the nose or tail may be damaged, but not both," the proposal notes. The measure was crafted by resident Phillip Steel, a 48-year-old Army veteran with a master's degree in business administration, who acknowledges the whimsical nature of his proposal. But the expansion of drones for commercial and government use is alarming, he said. "We don't want to become a surveillance society," he told Reuters in a telephone interview. He said he has not seen any drones, but that "some local ranchers" outside the town limits have seen them. Under the proposal, hunters could legally shoot down a drone flying under 1,000 feet with a 12-gauge or smaller shotgun. The town also would be required to establish a drone "recognition program" for shooters to properly identify the targeted aircraft. "In no case shall a citizen engage an obviously manned aerial vehicle," the draft proposal reads. Steel said that if the town trustees don't vote to adopt the ordinance, it will go before voters in a special election. "Yes, it is tongue-in-cheek, but I'm going to vote for it," said Dorothy Pisel, one of the town's trustees. "It could benefit the town with all the publicity." Steel acknowledges his idea is symbolic but he hopes it will curtail the use of drones over the 1.1-square mile burg. "If you don't want your drone to go down, don't fly it in town," he said. The Federal Aviation Administration did not immediately have a comment. (Editing by Dina Kyriakidou and Phil Berlowitz) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 23, 2013 9:46 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: SMALL ARMS SURVEY: FAL Rifles in Libya From: Small Arms Survey [mailto:news@smallarmssurvey.org] Sent: July-23-13 4:32 AM Subject: FAL Rifles in Libya New online Dispatch from the Security Assessment in North Africa After Kalashnikov-pattern rifles, Fusil Automatique Léger (FAL) rifles were among the most frequently sighted firearms during the 2011 armed conflict in Libya. The FAL rifle was originally designed and manufactured at the Fabrique Nationale d’Armes de Guerre Herstal (FN Herstal), in Belgium, and was dubbed ‘the right arm of the free world’ during the cold war. Since its release in 1954 it has undergone several modifications and was adopted by a number of countries, some of which also manufactured it under licence. A number of FAL rifles used during the conflict in Libya, most of which appear to be of Belgian origin, were subsequently recirculated throughout the broader subregion. 'FAL Rifles in Libya: A Guide to Data Gathering' is a new online Dispatch from the Security Assessment in North Africa. The eight-page report examines and discusses the factory markings, serial numbers, and technical characteristics of FAL rifles seen in Libya. The Dispatch also offers guidance on data gathering with a view to advancing general knowledge of the use and circulation of Belgian FAL rifles and encouraging relevant authorities to improve tracing efforts. The Security Assessment in North Africa is a multi-year project of the Small Arms Survey to support those engaged in building a more secure environment in North Africa and the Sahel-Sahara region. • Download Dispatch No. 1 'FAL Rifles in Libya: A Guide to Data Gathering': www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/R-SANA/SANA-dispatch1-FN-FAL.pdf • See also The Headstamp Trail: An Assessment of Small-calibre Ammunition Found in Libya: www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/F-Working-papers/SAS-WP16-Headstamp-Trail-Ammunition-Libya.pdf • Listen to the podcast ‘In Transition: Armed groups in Libya’: www.smallarmssurvey.org/?podcast8-libya • Visit the Security Assessment in North Africa website: www.smallarmssurvey.org/sana NB Some readers have reported that their firewall blocks links from these messages. If you aren’t able to follow these links please copy the URL text and paste it directly into your browser. This message is also available online at: www.smallarmssurvey.org/?highlight-SANA-FAL Small Arms Survey | Avenue Blanc 47 | Geneva, GE 1202, Switzerland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 23, 2013 9:52 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: The UK's new self-defence law opens the door for a Trayvon ... ...Martin case The UK's new self-defence law opens the door for a Trayvon Martin case By placing what is essentially a variant of Florida's "stand your ground" law on the statute book, the coalition has created the potential for greater acts of vigilantism. BY JACOB TURNER PUBLISHED 23 JULY 2013 11:45 http://www.newstatesman.com/law/2013/07/uks-new-self-defence-law-opens-door-trayvon-martin-case Tony and Trayvon Martin. Not related by blood, but the two share more than a surname. The supporters of both men claim that they are the victims of unfair self-defence laws in their respective countries. Whereas in the UK, Tony Martin was deemed to have unlawfully killed the burglar who had entered his farmhouse, Trayvon Martin's killer has walked free from a Florida Court. In seeking to avoid the issues caused by Tony Martin's prison sentence, the UK government has made worrying moves towards the much-criticised US position. The "stand your ground" self-defence law in Florida, states that a person who is attacked in a place where he or she has a right to be has "no duty to retreat and has the right to. meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so". In the aftermath of the Zimmerman trial, the United States Attorney General, Eric Holder called into question "laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defence and sow dangerous conflict in our neighbourhoods". The veteran campaigner Reverend Al Sharpton went as far as to describe the stand your ground law, which exists in over 30 States as the "worst violation of civil rights" in America. If the dry words of the legal text books do not provide enough context, perhaps the fact that this law is supported strongly by the National Rifle Association will. Opponents argue that by allowing a lawful excuse for people to stand and fight when faced with what they perceive to be a grave threat, the law will lead to unnecessary escalations in violence. When this is coupled with ingrained racial stereotyping which perceives certain races to be more threatening than others, the law can justify or even catalyse a deadly chain of events. Ironically, it is a variant of the stand your ground law - in fact a more extreme form - that the coalition has just written into the statute books. In 2012, Justice Secretary Chris Grayling grandly declared: "The public should be in no doubt that in such circumstances that the law really is on their side. We need to get rid of doubts in this area once and for all". Contrary to Grayling's version of events, the law prior to his amendment was appropriate to deal with the situation of people threatened in their own homes: a person was allowed to use such force as is reasonable, in the circumstances which he honestly believed to be the case. This rule took into account the possibility for an honest mistake about the level of threat that an intruder poses but crucially, did not act as a carte-blanche for acts of personal revenge or retribution. Sometimes, it is reasonable to not use force at all. The law did not impose an onerous duty on the initial victims of a crime to carefully consider absurd trade-offs: "Should I hit him with a vase, or use a golf club?" The statute books, judges, and perhaps most crucially, the Crown Prosecution Service did not expect a person to, as one Law Lord put it "weigh to a nicety" the exact measure of a defensive action. Fortunately, this remains unchanged in all situations apart from that of the household. One recent amendment provides that a possibility that a defendant could have retreated is to be as a factor to be taken into account in deciding whether force was reasonable, rather than as giving rise to a duty to retreat- in other words, this is a statutory endorsement of the stand your ground law. More importantly though, s.43 of the Crime and Courts Act 2013, which came into force this April, provides that in a household case (the definition of which is complex), the degree of force used by a defendant is "not to be regarded as having been reasonable" in the circumstances as the defendant believed them to be "if it was grossly disproportionate in those circumstances". This ungainly negative formulation will only serve to confuse matters. It appears that some level of disproportionate force will be available to householders, but precisely what degree is entirely unclear. How does one distinguish what is merely disproportionate from grossly disproportionate? Chris Grayling's bluster is liable to cause two problems. First, the new law will create more rather than less confusion, second it may even encourage people to think that acts of vigilantism are now ratified. As the Trayvon Martin case has demonstrated, this can go horribly wrong. In their knee-jerk reaction to the cases like that of Tony Martin, the government risks opening the door to the tragedy of his namesake. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 23, 2013 11:46 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Judge rejects Quebec's attempt to block Ottawa from ... ...destroying gun registry data Judge rejects Quebec's attempt to block Ottawa from destroying gun registry data THE GAZETTE JULY 23, 2013 1:08 PM http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Judge+rejects+Quebec+attempt+block+Ottawa+from/8696319/story.html MONTREAL - The Quebec data in the federal long-gun registry moved one step closer to being deleted Tuesday after the Quebec Court of Appeal refused to suspend a court ruling that said Ottawa does not have to hand over the data to the Quebec government. Quebec had asked for a stay - to allow the data to be retained until a final ruling on the case from the Supreme Court of Canada. However, Appeals-court Judge Judge Pierre Dalphond denied the request for a stay, saying Quebec's argument that it would be costly to start its own registry from scratch is not strong enough to suspend a court ruling. Dalphond also said it costs Ottawa about $100,000 a month to maintain the Quebec part of the registry. The provincial records, once part of a nationwide database, were destined to be destroyed when the Conservatives scrapped the registry last year. But Quebec went to court to try and preserve them, stating that it wished to use the provincial data to set up its own firearms registry. A Quebec Superior Court judge ruled in the province's favour, leading the federal government to appeal the matter. However, on June 27th, five appeal court judges overturned the Superior Court ruling, saying the data in the gun registry did not belong to the provinces. Quebec Justice Minister Bertrard St-Arnaud said Quebec would appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court of Canada and would immediately seek a safeguard order to ensure the Quebec data would not be destroyed by the federal government and would remain accessible, pending the Supreme Court's decision. Dalphond denied the safeguard order on Tuesday. The federal government has already destroyed the data on 5.6 million rifles and shotguns registered in other provinces. The Quebec records cover about 1.5 million rifles and shotguns owned by about 458,999 permit holders. The registry is an emotional issue for gun control advocates in Quebecers because it was created following the killing of 14 female engineering students at the Ecole Polytechnique in 1989. A report by Canada's auditor general said the gun registry has cost Canadian taxpayers more than $1 billion. The federal public safety department has not yet responded to Tuesday's court decision. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 23, 2013 12:40 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: POLL: Do you believe that taxpayers have a right to know the ... ...salaries of federal public servants? POLL: Do you believe that taxpayers have a right to know the salaries of federal public servants? VOTE HERE: http://brentrathgeber.ca/wordpress/ NOTE: Results as of 12:30 pm, July 23, 2013 Yes (96%, 1,126 Votes) No (4%, 45 Votes) Total Voters: 1,171 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 23, 2013 1:29 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Quebec loses another gun-registry battle with the federal ... ...government Quebec loses another gun-registry battle with the federal government BY THE CANADIAN PRESS JULY 23, 2013 3:04 PM http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Quebec+loses+another+gunregistry+battle+with+federal/8697225/story.html MONTREAL - Quebec has come out on the losing side yet again in its gun-registry battle with Ottawa. The province's highest court has dismissed a Quebec government bid to force Ottawa to keep data related to the federal long-gun registry. The same court ruled last month that the federal government's destruction of the data was constitutional. The provincial government had already announced plans to appeal that decision to the Supreme Court of Canada. Quebec Justice Minister Bertrand St-Arnaud reacted quickly to today's ruling by saying the province would launch an immediate appeal with the Supreme Court to prevent any destruction of documents. Ottawa has already destroyed registry data pertaining to other provinces. ----------------------------- Matt Gurney: For once, I agree with Quebec about the gun registry Matt Gurney | 13/07/23 2:46 PM ET http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/07/23/matt-gurney-for-once-i-agree-with-quebec-about-the-gun-registry/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:38:56 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Regarding: Judge rejects Quebec's attempt to block Ottawa ... ...from destroying gun registry data Judge rejects Quebec's attempt to block Ottawa from destroying gun registry data THE GAZETTE JULY 23, 2013 1:08 PM http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Judge+rejects+Quebec+attempt+block+Ottawa+from/8696319/story.html The federal government has already destroyed the data on 5.6 million rifles and shotguns registered in other provinces. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- PM Harper would re-phrase this sentence to: The federal government has already "deleted" the data on 5.6 million rifles and shotguns registered in other provinces. By now, even the gullible should recognize that information "deleted" on a computer is not "destroyed" unless that computer's hard drive is also destroyed. Has anyone seen where Harper replaced the hard drives in Canadian computers as well as those from around the world where Cdn. gun registry information was sent (BATFE, FBI, CIA, U.N., Putin etc.) thus removing registry information for future regurgitation (by police, criminals, foreign enemies) and likely used by probing Mounties at Slave Lake & High River, Ab.? Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:58:23 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Re: Do taxpayers have a right to know the salaries of ... ...federal public servants? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis R. Young" To: "FIREARMS DIGEST" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: POLL: Do you believe that taxpayers have a right to know the salaries of federal public servants? > POLL: Do you believe that taxpayers have a right to know the salaries of > federal public servants? > VOTE HERE: http://brentrathgeber.ca/wordpress/ > > NOTE: Results as of 12:30 pm, July 23, 2013 > Yes (96%, 1,126 Votes) > No (4%, 45 Votes) > Total Voters: 1,171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://brentrathgeber.ca/wordpress/ "Brent (Rathgeber) was a member of the Supreme Court of Canada Selection Panel which led to the nomination of Justice Andromache Karakatsanis and Justice Michael Moldaver to the Supreme Court" That was a bad selection for our Cdn firearms community, Brent. Ruddy faced Judge Muldaver was an antigun jerk at the Montague Ontario Court of Appeals trial. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:03:46 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Regarding: Don't taxpayers have a right to know the salaries ... ...of federal public servants? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis R. Young" To: "FIREARMS DIGEST" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: POLL: Do you believe that taxpayers have a right to know the salaries of federal public servants? > POLL: Do you believe that taxpayers have a right to know the salaries of > federal public servants? > VOTE HERE: http://brentrathgeber.ca/wordpress/ > > NOTE: Results as of 12:30 pm, July 23, 2013 > Yes (96%, 1,126 Votes) > No (4%, 45 Votes) > Total Voters: 1,171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://brentrathgeber.ca/wordpress/ "Brent (Rathgeber) was a member of the Supreme Court of Canada Selection Panel which led to the nomination of Justice Andromache Karakatsanis and Justice Michael Moldaver to the Supreme Court" That was a bad selection for the well being of the Cdn firearms community, Brent. Ruddy faced Judge Muldaver was an antigun jerk at the Montague Ontario Court of Appeals trial. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 23, 2013 3:15 pm From: "mikeack" Subject: Re: Colorado town mulls issuing licenses to shoot down drones This is obviously a hoax. Read the "rules of engagement": Shotguns only, Targets must be 1000 feet high or higher. Depleted uranium shot. Only a nose or tail damaged, not both, etc., etc., etc. -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:22:04 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "cold, wet hands" re-High River RCMP seizing legally stored firearms. This link takes one to the comments section of the smalldeadanimals blog. It is one of the largest blogs in Canada and run by a hunter. http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/cold-wet-hands-3.html#comments ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:50:35 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: CIA wants to control the weather, climate change *NFR* http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/07/23/cia-wants-to-control-weather-climate-change/?testlatestnews CIA wants to control the weather, climate change Published July 23, 2013 FoxNews.com The CIA is funding a study examining various ways mankind can geo-engineer the planet -- blocking or limiting the sunlight that reaches the Earth, stripping carbon dioxide from the skies, seeding the clouds and so on. The project, a panel called "Geoengineering Climate: Technical Evaluation and Discussion of Impacts," is backed by the National Academy of Sciences, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), NASA -- and the U.S. intelligence community. That's spy-talk for the CIA, William Kearney, a spokesman for NAS, told Mother Jones. So why would the trenchcoat troops meet with the eggheads? "It's natural that on a subject like climate change the Agency would work with scientists to better understand the phenomenon and its implications on national security," Edward Price, a spokesman for the CIA, told Mother Jones. He refused to confirm the agency's role in the study. Conspiracy theorists love to argue that various world governments seek to control the weather; they cite "chemtrails" and cloud seeding and so on. The topic has even pervaded popular culture, from "The Simpsons" to "The X-Files." The group's first two meetings, May 20 and June 19, were closed-door in their entirety, save for a list of participants. On July 17 in Washington D.C., closed-door morning and evening meetings book-ended a public session, however, offering a peek into the group's plans -- and it's nothing worthy of Fox Mulder's time, explained Edward Dunlea, study director with the National Academies. "Nothing involved in this study is classified at all," Dunlea told FoxNews.com. "We're doing an evaluation. This is an assessment of what is known in the science literature about some of the proposed engineering techniques -- both solar-radiation management and carbon-dioxide removal." Dunlea declined to cite the CIA by name. "All of our sponsors are interested in this topic as a part of the larger climate-change discussion, which has economic, environmental and national-security ramifications," he said. A 2008 study by the National Intelligence Council concluded that climate change posted a serious threat to national security. "Climate change and climate-change policies could affect . domestic stability in a number of key states, the opening of new sea lanes and access to raw materials, and the global economy more broadly -- with significant geopolitical consequences," it said. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #836 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)