From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #886 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, August 21 2013 Volume 15 : Number 886 In this issue: CBC - Replica weapons cause fright at B.C. zombie event Gun Control: Is A Real War on Women Cruz disputes claim of dual citizenship with Canada, ... Rural Coloradans to vote on breaking away as 51st state The U.N. comes after America's guns Coyotes killed to help deer at Wash. refuge New health minister Ambrose focuses on family violence Police chiefs suggest tickets for pot possession instead of ... Gun Advocates Sue Quebec & Canadian AG ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, August 19, 2013 4:17 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: CBC - Replica weapons cause fright at B.C. zombie event CBC - Replica weapons cause fright at B.C. zombie event Costumes at Vancouver's Zombie Walk were a little too real for some this year CBC News Posted: Aug 18, 2013 5:43 PM PT Last Updated: Aug 18, 2013 5:35 PM PT http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/08/18/bc-zombie-walk-replica-weapons.html Some people in downtown Vancouver got a bit of a scare at an annual zombie parade this weekend - but it wasn't the gory-makeup or calls for "brains" that had them and authorities concerned. Vancouver's annual Zombie Walk, first held back in 2005, has now grown into an event that attracts thousands of zombie enthusiasts to the city's downtown core. Translink's Transit Police said that on Saturday afternoon they received numerous calls from concerned citizens who thought that some undead-looking travellers headed downtown on the SkyTrain were carrying weapons. Const. Graham Walker said the "zombies" were only carrying replica weapons as part of their costumes, but officers had to respond to all calls as if they were the real thing. "Ourselves, along with Vancouver Police, have responded to a couple calls where plastic guns were subject to the call," he said. "To the members of the public, they looked very real." Officers made sure the apparent weapons were fakes, and asked the owners not to flash them around for the sake of everyone's safety. "Most of the time people were allowed to keep them, but asked to store them in a more safe way that doesn't cause alarm." Walker also said officers also recommend leaving scary-looking props at home. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:46:35 -0600 From: JPFO@bogend.ca Subject: Gun Control: Is A Real War on Women From: JPFO Webmaster www.jpfo.org Date: Monday, August 19, 2013 Subject: JPFO - Women's Safety: Gun Control: Is A Real War on Women AWR Hawkins, August 14, 2013. Ammoland.com Article Source: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/08/gun-control-is-a-real-war-on-women/ Washington DC -- Just as the passage of concealed carry laws benefit women immensely, so too the reverse is true - the passage of more gun control hurts women especially. Gun control makes the vulnerable more vulnerable, and those who are already prone to attack are rendered prone to more attacks. In the book More Guns, Less Crime, scholar John Lott showed that women were among the top beneficiaries from concealed carry laws. Conversely, where gun control is stringent, crimes against women rise. Take Chicago for example, the gun control capital of America, where the NYT reported approximately 1,400 sexual assaults in 2010 alone. Or consider Chicago's murder numbers - approximately 441 persons murdered in 2011. And according to Chicago Police Department, roughly 10 percent of these murder victims were women. That means over 40 women were murdered in 2011, and if the 10 percent rule applies to 2012 as well, it means over 50 may have been killed in 2012, as the number of murders in Chicago during 2012 was approximately 512. Might not many of these women be alive now had they not been denied the right to keep and bear arms? For a hint at the answer to this question, contrast the experience of women in Chicago with that of Melinda Herman in Loganville, GA. In January 2013, Mrs. Herman grabbed her kids and hid in the attic of her home as an intruder pushed through the front door of the house and eventually began trying to come through the door to the attic. Huddled behind that door with her children, Mrs. Herman unloaded a .38 Special revolver on the intruder, ending the attack. The ability to exercise her 2nd Amendment rights saved Mrs. Herman and her children. Why should women be denied the ability to protect themselves in this fashion? As I told CNN's Piers Morgan on August 13, gun control is a real war on women. In denying women the right to keep and bear arms, governments at all levels force them into an attic like Mrs. Herman crawled into, but without the benefit of a gun. Instead of shooting their would-be killer or attacker, they must sit behind a locked door and hope the hinges hold until the police arrive. Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter @AWRHawkins. About: AWR Hawkins writes for all the BIG sites, for Pajamas Media, for RedCounty.com, for Townhall.com and now AmmoLand Shooting Sports News. His southern drawl is frequently heard discussing his take on current events on radio shows like America's Morning News, the G. Gordon Liddy Show, the Ken Pittman Show, and the NRA's Cam & Company, among others. He was a Visiting Fellow at the Russell Kirk Center for Cultural Renewal (summer 2010), and he holds a PhD in military history from Texas Tech University. If you have questions or comments, email him at awr@awrhawkins.com. You can find him on facebook at www.facebook.com/awr.hawkins --------------------------------------------------------------------- Refer to the "Sandy Hook Index" http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/sandy-hook-index.htm for an archive collection of valuable material we have shown since the events at the Newtown Elementary School. Check out Gun/Murder Statistics: http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m2/gun-murder-stats.htm A set of tabulated and graphical data showing relationships between gun numbers and murders - categorized by alphabetical countries listing. Useful research material. "Waco a New Revelation". Purchase the DVD direct from the JPFO Store. http://shop.jpfo.org/cart.php?mproduct_detail&p2 Thought for the day -- "Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber ... but after a shooting, the problem is the Gun ! " Yours in Freedom, The Liberty Crew at JPFO Protecting you by creating solutions to destroy "gun control" Our mailing address is: jpfo@jpfo.org P.O. Box 270143, Hartford, WI 53027, USA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:50:13 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Cruz disputes claim of dual citizenship with Canada, ... ...releases birth certificate http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/19/cruz-disputes-claim-dual-citizenship-with-canada-releases-birth-certificate/?intcmptrending Cruz disputes claim of dual citizenship with Canada, releases birth certificate Published August 19, 2013 FoxNews.com Texas Sen. Ted Cruz' office is rejecting claims that the Republican lawmaker -- and possible 2016 presidential candidate -- is a dual U.S.-Canadian citizen, and for the first time has released the senator's birth certificate. In a throwback to the debate over President Obama's citizenship, Cruz released his birth certificate to The Dallas Morning News. Unlike with the 2008 flareup over Obama's nationality, few are challenging what the birth certificate shows -- in this case, that Cruz was born to an American mother in Calgary, Canada, in 1970. But some are questioning the implications. The Dallas Morning News, in the same report in which it published the birth certificate, said Cruz is, by birth, a citizen of both the United States and Canada. The newspaper cited legal scholars in asserting Cruz is technically a U.S. and a Canadian citizen, since Canadian law confers citizenship to most the moment they are born on Canadian soil. A spokeswoman with Citizenship and Immigration Canada would not discuss the particulars of Cruz' citizenship when reached by FoxNews.com. But the law does seem clear that somebody in Cruz' circumstances would be considered a Canadian citizen. "Generally speaking, under the Citizenship Act of 1947, those born in Canada were automatically citizens at birth unless their parent was a foreign diplomat," the spokeswoman told FoxNews.com in an email. If Cruz does indeed hold dual citizenship, it does not affect his eligibility to run for the White House. It could, however, prompt calls for him to renounce his Canadian citizenship all the same. Cruz' office disputed the newspaper's claim. "Senator Cruz became a U.S. citizen at birth, and he never had to go through a naturalization process after birth to become a U.S. citizen," spokeswoman Catherine Frazier told the newspaper. "To our knowledge, he never had Canadian citizenship." Under U.S. law, the fact Cruz was born to a U.S. citizen parent already makes him a U.S. citizen. Many scholars also have said it makes him what the U.S. Constitution describes as a "natural-born" American, and therefore eligible to run for president. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:27:40 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Rural Coloradans to vote on breaking away as 51st state http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/19/colorado-counties-vote-forming-new-state/ Rural Coloradans to vote on breaking away as 51st state angered by liberal policies on guns, energy The Washington Times By Valerie Richardson Monday, August 19, 201 DENVER - You've got North Carolina and North Dakota, so why not Northern Colorado? Voters in several rural Colorado counties will be asked whether they want to form a new state tentatively named Northern Colorado in the November election, a reaction to the Democrat-controlled state legislature's "war on rural Colorado." The Weld County Commissioners voted unanimously at Monday's meeting to place a measure on the Nov. 5 ballot asking voters whether they want the county to join other rural counties in forming another state. "The concerns of rural Coloradans have been ignored for years," William Garcia, chairman of the Weld County Commissioners, said in a statement. "The last session was the straw that broke the camel's back for many people. They want change. They want to be heard." Three other rural counties - Cheyenne, Sedgwick and Yuma - also plan to place the 51st state referendum on the fall ballot. At least three more counties plan to consider the proposal this week at their commission meetings, said Jeffrey Hare, spokesman for the 51st State Initiative. Known for its agriculture and oil and gas production, Weld is the largest of the Colorado counties exploring a break with the state after the legislature's sharp turn to the left with bills restricting access to firearms and doubling the state's renewable-energy mandate for rural areas. Democrats control both houses of the legislature and the governor's office. Two Democratic state senators - Angela Giron and John Morse - are facing Sept. 10 recall elections in response to the legislature's gun control votes. Forming a state isn't easy: Even if the ballot measures pass, the Colorado state legislature would be required to amend the constitution to configure the state's borders and refer a request for a new state to Congress. Approving a 51st state would require a majority vote of both houses of Congress, although the Constitution doesn't require the signature of the president, Mr. Hare said. "Again, folks say this can never happen. However, we are starting to hear from disenfranchised groups all over the country," said a post on the 51st State Initiative's website. "We are truly a divided nation. It is possible, if not likely, that we may not be the only group requesting from Congress the formation of a new state." This isn't the first time disgruntled residents have explored the option of a state split. In the past few decades, movements have sprung up in favor of carving California and Washington into two states. New York has had a host of proposals aimed at peeling off jurisdictions, including New York City, upstate New York and western New York. The most recent effort was in 2008, when the Suffolk County comptroller proposed splitting off Long Island. Since the boundaries of the newly independent Colonies were finalized in the 1790s, two states have gained that status by breaking off from extant states. Maine was part of Massachusetts until 1820, and West Virginia seceded from Virginia during the Civil War. Given the complexities involved with creating a state, Mr. Hare said, the Northern Colorado movement is considering two other options: asking Wyoming to annex Colorado's northern counties or requesting that the state legislature redraw its Senate districts to give a senator to each of the state's 64 counties, analogous to how the U.S. apportions seats by state, regardless of their populations. Colorado now has 35 senators in districts drawn by population, giving the state's urban areas far greater sway in the state legislature. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:45:26 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: The U.N. comes after America's guns http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/19/barr-the-un-comes-after-americas-guns/ BARR: The U.N. comes after America's guns Barack Obama's OK of a gun-control treaty would destroy the Second Amendment By Bob Barr Monday, August 19, 2013 The true scope of the anti-firearm crusade of the United Nations, which began more than a dozen years ago, finally is coming into clear focus, as the White House readies to sign the Arms Trade Treaty adopted with U.S. support this past April by the U.N. General Assembly. The reach of this long-term, carefully crafted agenda is truly breathtaking, going far beyond the publicly articulated goals of even the most radical of homegrown gun-control groups. Since the first major U.N. meeting in July 2001, officially launching the so-called "Program of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects," this bureaucratic behemoth on the banks of the East River in New York City has been attempting to stretch its tentacles into the domestic regulation of firearms. If the administration of President Obama signs the Arms Trade Treaty, the U.N. will have taken a major step toward its ultimate goal - regardless of whether the treaty is ever submitted to the Senate for ratification. According to experts familiar with this process, the mere act of signing the treaty - a responsibility that would fall to Secretary of State John Kerry - would "obligate" the U.S. government as a signatory not to act "contrary to" its terms. Those "terms" are, to quote Ross Perot, the "devil in the detail" - found not only within the four corners of the document itself, but in companion, foundational documents on which it is based. For example, a 2006 U.N. report (authored by an American academic, Barbara Frey) lays out with frightening clarity where advocates of the approach reflected in the Arms Trade Treaty are coming from. According to this Eurocentric worldview, there is no "right" to self-defense, and the national government is obligated to restrict civilian ownership of firearms, including determining which citizens properly "understand" firearms and might, therefore, be permitted to possess them. Another important but little-known set of documents that reveal the true purposes of the treaty were crafted by the U.N. Coordinating Action on Small Arms. These include the International Small Arms Control Standard, which is developing "modules" on gun control to serve as "model legislation" for countries that sign on to the treaty. The most relevant of these is the one titled, "National controls over the access of civilians to small arms and light weapons." One need read no further than the introduction to this missive to understand its goal. The operative focus is strict regulation of civilian possession of firearms by the "central" or national government. This is necessary because "some civilians misuse small arms" by using them illegally or "improperly stor[ing]" them. The document bases this notion of government control of firearms and ammunition on "international law" - an inaccurate interpretation of such body of laws, but one that fits conveniently the U.N.'s agenda. From this global perspective, the International Small Arms Control Standard module then directs, in excruciating detail, the manner in which national governments should restrict access to firearms and ammunition: Restricting civilian possession of firearms only to those "at the lowest risk of misusing them." Limiting sales and other transfers of firearms only to commercial transactions at licensed "sales premises" (in other words, no transfers at gun shows). Only persons licensed and periodically relicensed by the national government could possess firearms. All firearms must be registered with the national government. All persons wishing to possess a firearm must pass a rigorous exam administered by the national government. All firearms must be stored in locked containers separate from ammunition, and "bolted to a heavy or immovable object." Only a predetermined number of firearms and rounds of ammunition may be possessed by a properly licensed civilian. Magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds. Possession of a firearm may only occur after a seven-day waiting period. No civilian could own or possess a firearm for self-defense unless he first demonstrates a clear and convincing need. Individuals licensed to own firearms are subject to periodic and random inspections of their homes or businesses. In order to be granted a license to possess a firearm, an individual must secure recommendations from "responsible members of society," attesting to their "suitability to possess a small arm." The above list is by no means exhaustive of the restrictions in the U.N. model legislation, which is designed to limit the possession of firearms and ammunition to the smallest possible number of civilians, and it provides clear insight into where this process is going. If Congress fails to take swift action to prohibit the administration from implementing any part of the Arms Trade Treaty or taking any action pursuant to it, we now know exactly where we are headed. Bob Barr, a former member of Congress, is a board member of the National Rifle Association and a candidate for Georgia's 11th Congressional District. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 20, 2013 11:21 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Coyotes killed to help deer at Wash. refuge Coyotes killed to help deer at Wash. refuge by Sara Roth - Posted on August 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM http://www.kgw.com/lifestyle/animals/Coyotes-killed-to-help-deer-in-Wash--220230281.html LONGVIEW, Wash. -- The effort to establish a herd of Columbian white-tailed deer at the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge is off to a shaky start, so wildlife agents have been killing coyotes to help fawns survive. The Daily News reports 13 coyotes have been killed so far this summer. Refuge manager Chris Lapp says if the young deer can survive until fall they'll grow fast and savvy enough to avoid the coyotes. About three-dozen of the endangered deer were moved in the spring from the Julia Butler Hansen Refuge near Cathlamet, where their habitat is threatened by a dike failure. Another dozen were moved to Cottonwood Island in the Columbia River. But about a dozen of the Ridgefield deer had died by the end of July. Seven more moved off the refuge. ------------------------------ Wildlife photographer Bob Taylor dies By: Staff Writer - Posted: 08/19/2013 11:05 AM | Comments: 2 http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Wildlife-photographer-Bob-Taylor-dies-220213691.html World-renowned wildlife photographer Bob (Robert) Taylor died Thursday at the age of 73 at St. Boniface Hospital after a battle with cancer. Taylor was best known for his images of Manitoba polar bears, great gray owls and prairie bison. His early work included rare, intimate polar bear images along the Hudson Bay coastline which assisted in the development of the tourist industry and tundra buggy tours in Churchill. Some of his images were published in books such as The Manitoba Landscape-A Visual Symphony, The Edge of the Arctic: Churchill and the Hudson Bay Lowlands, The Great Gray Owl: On Silent Wings, and Manitoba: Seasons of Beauty. Taylor received the Order of the Buffalo Hunt from Premier Greg Selinger nine days before he died. He was known for frequent donations of his time and images to various causes throughout his life. Taylor had previously been honoured with a fellowship in the Professional Photographers Association of Manitoba, a Master of Photographic Arts from the Professional Photographers of Canada and was a member of the Royal Canadian Academy of Arts. While his images appeared in numerous national and international publications, he also worked on eight nature films. An accomplished carver, Taylor helped launch the Prairie Canada Carvers Association 27 years ago. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 20, 2013 11:25 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: New health minister Ambrose focuses on family violence New health minister Ambrose focuses on family violence in speech to doctors BY BILL GRAVELAND, THE CANADIAN PRESS AUGUST 19, 2013 http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/canada/health+minister+Ambrose+focuses+family+violence+speech/8808338/story.html CALGARY - New federal Health Minister Rona Ambrose focused much of her first speech to doctors Wednesday on the need to tackle domestic violence. She told delegates to the Canadian Medical Association convention that the social issue costs society at least $7.4 billion a year, of which roughly $6 billion goes to medical treatment and psychological services. "You are often the first to interact with patients who are dealing with family violence, and research shows you are the ones that victims are mostly likely to disclose abuse to," she said. "I have now asked the Public Health Agency of Canada to identify opportunities and partnerships that will help end family violence in Canada within the health portfolio." Ambrose also expressed a need to renew attention on research and innovation. She listed several priorities: health of aboriginal people, new approaches to public health issues and working with provinces and organizations to improve the system. Ambrose, who took over the portfolio in a recent cabinet shuffle, told delegates to the association's annual convention that she was there to listen and learn. "I'm pleased to have this opportunity ... to hear from you, to listen to you and forge a true partnership with you," she said. Ambrose planned to spend the day meeting and exchanging views with physicians. The medical association's outgoing president called Ambrose's health-care vision "new and engaging." Dr. Anna Reid told reporters she was impressed with what she heard. "We're interested in hearing Health Minister Rona Ambrose's new and engaging vision for health care. She said clearly she wants to look at many of the issues the CMA has been advocating as part of its health-care transformation, such as preventative health, aboriginal health care and seniors care," Reid said. "Her stated willingness to work with the provinces and profession is a positive signal to Canadians, who consistently rank health care as a top-of-mind concern." ------------------------------- Harper plans to prorogue Parliament, deliver throne speech in October BY MURRAY BREWSTER, THE CANADIAN PRESS AUGUST 19, 2013 http://www.calgaryherald.com/Harper+plans+prorogue+Parliament+deliver+throne+speech+October/8807314/story.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 20, 2013 11:28 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Police chiefs suggest tickets for pot possession instead of ... ...criminal charges Police chiefs suggest tickets for pot possession instead of criminal charges CP AUGUST 20, 2013 11:10 AM http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Police+chiefs+suggest+tickets+possession+instead+criminal+charges/8811613/story.html WINNIPEG - Police chiefs meeting in Winnipeg say handing out tickets for illegal possession of marijuana may be more efficient than laying criminal charges. Delegates to the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police annual meeting have passed a resolution that says officers need more "enforcement options" to deal with people caught with pot. Association president Jim Chu says in a release that criminal charges place a significant burden on police and court resources. Chu, who is chief constable of the Vancouver Police Service, also points out that a conviction results in a criminal record that places barriers on future travel, employment and citizenship. He says the association does not support legalization of marijuana. The resolution was presented by the association's drug abuse committee. "The CACP is not in support of decriminalization or legalization of cannabis in Canada," Chu said in a release Tuesday. "It must be recognized, however, that under the current legislation the only enforcement option for police, when confronted with simple possession of cannabis, is either to turn a blind eye or lay charges. "The latter ensues a lengthy and difficult process which, if proven guilty, results in a criminal conviction and criminal record." The committee's report says there are circumstances where a formal charge for simple possession is appropriate, for example, if a driver who has been pulled over is found to be smoking a joint. But the report adds the "large majority" of simple possession cases could be more efficiently dealt with through tickets. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, August 20, 2013 11:39 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Gun Advocates Sue Quebec & Canadian AG Gun Advocates Sue Quebec & Canadian AG By DARRYL GREER - Tuesday, August 20, 2013Last Update: 9:21 AM PT http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/08/20/60420.htm (CN) - Quebec is illegally operating a gun registry, though the federal government scrapped it last year, Canada's National Firearms Association claims in Federal Court. While the federal government scrapped the national long-gun registry last year, destroying registration data to the chagrin of many police organizations, the Quebec provincial government defiantly refused to turn over data on its residents, so as to maintain its own gun registry. Co-plaintiff Shawn Bevins claims the country's Registrar of Firearms, the Firearms Commissioner of Canada and Quebec's Chief Firearms Officer are still illegally collecting data on non-restricted gun owners and sellers. The plaintiffs claim the defendants are illegally operating a registry and collecting data, and that the Firearms Commissioner of Canada is illegally refusing to destroy records contained in the scrapped Canadian Firearms Registry. The plaintiffs, or applicants, claim Quebec's Chief Firearms Officer is "illegally refusing" to tell legal gun dealers that they no longer have to register sales of non-restricted firearms to Quebec residents, and are no longer under threat of sanctions for failing to register sales, transfers or for accepting guns for service or repair without verifying the firearm is registered. The officer is "forcing Quebec based firearms dealers to comply with legislation that has been repealed by Parliament," the application states. According to a notice on the RCMP website for the Canadian Firearms Program: "Until further notice, due to ongoing litigation, the CFP is continuing to accept registration of non-restricted firearms from Quebec residents." Canada scrapped the registry for being too costly and punitive on law-abiding long-gun owners. Politicians in the ruling Conservative Party claimed victory after scrapping the program, but police agencies were not happy, as the registry was used by front-line officers nearly 14,000 times a day across the country. Gun registry data was accessed as recently as this month by police in Quebec during a 20-hour standoff. The issue is particularly sensitive in the province because the gun registry was set up after a mass shooting claimed the lives of 14 women at the University of Montreal in 1989. The plaintiffs are represented by Me Guy Levergne, of Saint-Lazare, Quebec. ------------------------------------ CANADA'S NATIONAL FIREARMS ASSOCIATION - Thursday, August 15, 2013 QUEBEC NAMED IN COURT ACTION OVER ILLEGAL OPERATION OF LONG GUN REGISTRY http://nfa.ca/news/quebec-named-court-action-over-illegal-operation-long-gun-registry ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #886 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)