From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #895 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, August 29 2013 Volume 15 : Number 895 In this issue: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #891 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #892 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #893 Re: Restricteds... increasing in P.E.I. Digest V15 #893 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #890 Re: [Fwd: Australian Crime Commission Firearms Report : What ... Guns and the mentally ill: A cloudy enforcement issue "Brazilian robbery gone wrong" His name is Gary Paul Bucci Missouri poised to enact measure nullifying federal gun laws NYC Mayor Bloomberg donates $350G to fight Colorado recalls ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:36:56 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #891 Good letter Phil, but you need to c.c. the Conservative M.P.s and Senators, too. You also need to c.c. SunnewsTV. Otherwise the letter will be shuffled off to Neverland (Public Safety Minister-R.C.M.P. back to that same CFO.) A hard copy to Parliamentarians will get at least an acknowledgement of it being received. A request of a follow-up meeting with your nearest Conservative M.P. will see the letter has a much longer life. On 2013-08-25, at 12:59 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Date: Sat, August 24, 2013 5:02 pm > From: "Phil Hewkin" > Subject: Fw: Garry paul Bouchie > > From: Phil Hewkin > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:01 PM > To: pm@pm.gc.ca > Subject: Garry paul Bouchie > > Dear Prime Minister Stephen Harper. > > Recently, a Calgary man in his 60's did fend off a violent intruder of his > home. He used a .22 rifle, and did the most reasonable thing, he fired > shots to ward off the intruder. The police have charged Mr. Bouchie with > unsafe storage and dangerous use of a firearm. This extreme prejudice that > police perpetuate against honest gun owners must be stopped. Ian Thompson > has experienced crippling financial loss defending himself against similar > charges. > > In my home town of Prince George B.C., a Chief Firearms Officer named Ron > Hardy was observed BULLYING non-restricted gun buyers AND gun sellers, as > well as other exhibitors at the Prince George B.C. Gun show this year and > last. C.F.O. Hardy did harass one 78 year old firearms licensing > instructor, who is a veteran of the gun owner licensing regime that > apparently YOU fully support. Hardy threatened to confiscate this > exhibitor's P.A.L. I was informed by this man, he will never return to > Prince George again at any future gun shows. Also, a woman in her 60's > was bullied to tears, as C.F.O. Hardy pressured her to have trigger locks > on long guns displayed, while her P.A.L. Licensed husband was away > temporarily in the bathroom. C.F.O. Hardy did harass at least half of the > 120 or so exhibitors about this. No charges were laid. If this trigger > lock requirement for long guns on display is a grey area, as I strongly > suspect it is, This may explain WHY enforcement is not resulting in any > charges being laid. My own understanding is that trigger lock requirements > pertain directly to restricted firearms only, and that these rogue Chief > Firearms Officers are interpreting the law however suits them, as they > have no reservations whatsoever about harassing responsible, honest, > vetted gun owners. Why are these unelected bureaucrats permitted to > continue to create law in Canada? > > When I confronted Mr. Hardy about this behavior, I was asked, "who the > f**k are you?" as if I needed some special authority or status to > question Mr. Hardy about his obnoxious behavior. I have written twice > about this issue, and have as yet received no response. > > The elimination of the "long gun registry"ˇ has not signaled the end of > the ongoing harassment of honest gun owners by police, the courts, or the > Chief Firearms Officers. I require to be informed of what actions will be > taken against C.F.O. Ron Hardy. He is an obnoxious tyrant who is drunk on > his authority. As are the police in Mr. Bouchie and Mr. Thomson's case. > > -apology to Mr. Bouchie if I have mis-spelled his name. > > Will this Prime Minister simply ignore this problem, or will real action > be taken to protect regular law abiding citizens from the government > BULLIES? > > sincerely. > R.S.V.P. > > Phil Hewkin > Prince George B.C. > philhewkin@telus.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:52:58 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #892 "Reasonable condition" implies something other than arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable, but the federal government has not made a distinction. Until it admits the C-17/C-68 had no scientifically valid evidence to support them, capricious and arbitrary will be the guide. Access to an Oakes Test is required. Or there is a Constitutional Right to Hunt. On 2013-08-26, at 3:50 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:24:26 -0600 > From: "Todd Brown" > Subject: RE: Garry paul Bouchie > > To answer your question ". Why are these unelected bureaucrats permitted to > continue to create law in Canada?" you need to read sec 58(1) of the FA, > which reads: > > 58. (1) A chief firearms officer who issues a licence, an authorization to > carry or an authorization to transport may attach any reasonable condition > to it that the chief firearms officer considers desirable in the particular > circumstances and in the interests of the safety of the holder or any other > person. > This is what gives the CFO all his power. > > Know your rights, or you won't have any > > Todd Brown > Concerned Gun Owners of Alberta > Co-founder CGOA > bvhunting@xplornet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:04:33 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #893 Monte Solberg and the other former M.P.s thinking like this could as a group spear head a political movement for reform. It would grow fast enough to be an issue in the next federal and provincial elections. Yes, I see the irony. Solberg has a sense of humour, no wonder he decided to quit politics. On 2013-08-27, at 2:47 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, August 26, 2013 9:02 am > From: "Dennis R. Young" > Subject: SUN NEWS: Armed with regulations by Monte Solberg > > SUN NEWS: Armed with regulations > The common sense thing to do is to keep a loaded shotgun beside your bed. > MONTE SOLBERG | QMI AGENCY - 7:47 am, August 26th, 2013 > http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/08/2013082 6- > 074745.html > [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:11:49 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Restricteds... increasing in P.E.I. Digest V15 #893 On 2013-08-27, at 2:47 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, August 26, 2013 9:28 am > From: "Dennis R. Young" > Subject: Restricted firearms registrations increasing in P.E.I. > > Restricted firearms registrations increasing in P.E.I. > Violent crimes involving guns have been few and far between > Published on August 26, 2013 - Ryan Ross RSS Feed > http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/News/Local/2013-08-26/article-3364174/Restric te > d-firearms-registrations-increasing-in-P.E.I./1 > ..... > Despite the increase in restricted firearms registered in the province, > violent crimes involving guns have been few and far between in P.E.I. RCMP > Sgt. Andrew Blackadar said restricted weapons offences haven't been much of > an issue on the Island. "It certainly hasn't been an issue for us," he said. > The good thing is that there is a restricted firearms registry so the police > know where all the restricted firearms are in the province, Blackadar said. > "It's not something we really have run across in the province." > > ------------------------------ If as this R.M.P. Sgt. maintains the Restricted firearms Registry allows the police to know where all the Restricted Firearms are in the province, he should inform the RCMP in Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto et al. They'd appreciate the Registry's assistance in solving the gangland shootings. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:26:41 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #890 At 11:02 AM 28/08/2013 -0600, you wrote: > >On 2013-08-24, at 3:28 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > >> >> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:19:19 -0700 >> From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> >> Subject: SMART METERS AND GUN CONTROL >> >> A Vancouver senior trying to prevent the installation of a BC Hydro >> "smart meter" on his home called police to remove trespassing >> installers from his property. Instead of removing the trespassers >> police took this man's guns and when he had his day in court was >> handed a five year firearms prohibition. I know this gentleman and >> have the utmost respect for him. He is law abiding in the extreme. >> I have been refusing installation of a smart meter. Am I next? >> > >The Charter now has enough holes via the The Firearms Act for everyone >to be added to the list. Executing the unreasonable search and seizure, >Section 8 of the Charter is fading fast. The firearm search and seizure program in Slave lake during the fire and in High River during the flood indicates the RCMP believe they have cart blanche when it comes to breaking into homes to "secure guns". I, for one, do not understand why a person would object to the installation of a "smart meter". Once the Smart Meter is installed there is one less excuse for B.C. Hydro workers to enter your property. I have a water meter in my basement - having that meter allows the town to arrange a time to inspect, repair, or replace that meter. Not coming to an agreement regarding entry allows the town to simply shut off the water until an agreement is reached. Quite simple really. The meter is their property, the water is their property. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: [Fwd: Australian Crime Commission Firearms Report : What ... ...Are ... This sounds like it might make for a good ATI request... Yours in TYRANNY, Bruce "It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man give s up but with life itself." - From The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320. >________________________________ > From: "decline@pteradon.tera -byte.com" >To: cfdmod@bogend.ca >Sen t: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 7:00:00 PM >Subject: [Fwd: Australian Cri me Commission Firearms Report : What Are ... > > >...Our Governments Hiding?] > > >This is hardly surprising that Australian criminals ar e using the gun >registry data as a shopping list for desirable firearms to steal.  We know >it has happened hundreds of times already in Canada as admitted in 2005 >where CPIC had been breached some 1400 times along with the gun registry >information.  We don't know how many times it ha s been breached or hacked >since. [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, August 28, 2013 3:06 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Guns and the mentally ill: A cloudy enforcement issue Guns and the mentally ill: A cloudy enforcement issue Vagueness in laws around the possession of firearms by individuals with varying degrees of mental illness makes protecting public difficult, say some law enforcement administrators By Katie Wedell and Sharahn D. Boykin, Dayton Daily News - August 28, 2013 http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislation-Law-Enforcement/articles/6413721-Guns-and-the-mentally-ill-A-cloudy-enforcement-issue/ MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO - Montgomery County sheriff's Sgt. M.D. Hutchison holds a .50-caliber sniper rifle confiscated from a man later convicted of a felony and deemed by the courts to be mentally incompetent. The death of a Yellow Springs man during a prolonged shootout with police last month has raised concerns about the justice system's capacity to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of those who could be a danger to themselves or the community. Those who have been convicted of felony offenses under Ohio law are prohibited from owning firearms, but a Dayton Daily News examination found the law is vague when it comes to people with a history of mental illness. Ohio law prohibits anyone who is, "drug dependent, in danger of drug dependence, or a chronic alcoholic," from owning a gun as well as anyone who has been adjudicated as mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed for mental health treatment. Paul E. Schenck, 42, didn't fall under any of those restrictions despite a previous incident with police that prompted the temporary seizure of numerous firearms. When dispatchers sent police to his residence, 280 N. High St., on the morning of July 31, there was no background information available about Schenck's 2009 arrest for pulling a gun on an officer. Some question if more should be done to help protect police and innocent bystanders. Clark County Sheriff Gene Kelly said it can be frustrating. "We can hold them (guns) for safekeeping, we can hold them for a court order. But once a protection order is lifted, you have to give them back," he said. Schenck was convicted of misdemeanor obstructing official business in that 2009 incident, but Greene County Common Pleas Court records from that case are sealed. Police said they confiscated more than 20 rifles, several handguns, ammo and body armor. Those guns were reportedly returned to Schenck following a court order about a year later. "Based on what I knew about him, I was concerned," former Yellow Springs police Chief John Grote said. "Paul was generally a nice guy. He seemed to be overly interested in weapons and always wanted to talk about guns with me." Police can seize an individual's weapons if a crime is committed, if there is a threat of domestic violence or a court granted protection order in place, or if an individual is "pink-slipped", which means a 72-hour mental health evaluation. But Montgomery County Sheriff Phil Plummer said law enforcement has very little say in whether someone is permanently prohibited from having weapons and cannot do random checks on those under disability. In 2008, Harrison Twp. resident Gregory Smith was arrested by deputies after threatening to kill himself and neighbors. Prohibited from owning firearms because of a previous conviction, Smith initially pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, but took a plea deal in which he was sentenced to undergo mental health treatment. Deputies seized numerous guns including a .50-caliber ArmaLite rifle. Plummer said officers have limited resources or authority to check up on people who are legally barred from having guns. "We can't go knocking down doors," he said. "You can have 100 people who say this guy shouldn't have a gun because he's crazy, but he hasn't been convicted of a felony and he hasn't been committed," said Montgomery County sheriff's Sgt. M.D. Hutchison. The Deputy Suzanne Hopper Act is intended to aid law enforcement by making more information about an individual's mental health history available. But many questions remain about how the database created by the newly enacted legislation will be populated. Under the new law, police will have better mental health information on about 600 people statewide. "But there are many, many more like this gentleman in Yellow Springs," Kelly said. "There is no central repository of mental health records." Nearly 62 percent of gun deaths are suicides while 35 percent are homicides, according to 2010 CDC data. Mental health professionals say the challenge is preventing tragedies without perpetuating the stigma of mental illness. "It's an erroneous perception that people who are mentally ill are more violent than anyone else," said Ryan Peirson, chief clinical officer for Montgomery County Alcohol, Drug Addiction and Mental Health Services (ADAMHS). "However, that being said, the best predictor of behavior is past behavior." Schenck had pulled a gun on police in the past and had conversations with Grote about his frustrations with life and with police officers. "I was concerned about Paul getting the guns back," Grote said. The very situation he feared occurred last month. Shots were fired at three Yellow Springs officers on High Street who were dispatched on a medical call. A total of 63 law enforcement units responded. The Ohio Attorney General's Office Bureau of Criminal Investigation collected 191 shell casings from inside Schenck's house. Investigators counted at least 107 bullet holes exiting the home. It is unknown whether Schenck ever had a mental health evaluation. Grote couldn't recall, but he noted that given the circumstances in 2009 it wouldn't be uncommon for the court to require one. Grote said more tax dollars need to be spent on mental health diagnosis and increased efforts to get rid of the stigma associated with mental illness. "We have to strike a good balance between helping people and not sticking them with a stigma," said Jamestown resident Larry Moore, a regional leader with the Buckeye Firearms Association. He said the fear of being labeled crazy and having guns seized could deter people from seeking help. "We have to be aware that that confidentiality is there so that people will go get help without fear that it will haunt them later," he said. Moore pointed out that people who may be a danger to themselves or others at one point in their life could become responsible gun owners after proper treatment. He also noted that guns are not the only weapons which an individual can be prohibited from owning. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:57:02 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Brazilian robbery gone wrong" Prevention is much more effective than a much delayed and due process for wrong doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?vUwjSsqjNKuw ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:41:24 -0600 From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: His name is Gary Paul Bucci SUN NEWS: Alberta senior charged for shooting at would-be intruder "He comes to protect us and cops take him away." NADIA MOHARIB | QMI AGENCY - 7:33 pm, August 20th, 2013 - 180 COMMENTS http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/08/20130820-193325 .html owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, August 28 2013 Volume 15 : Number 894 In this issue: RE: Garry paul Bouchie Re: Garry paul Bouchie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:28:58 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Missouri poised to enact measure nullifying federal gun laws http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/29/missouri-poised-to-enact-bill-to-nullify-federal-gun-control-laws/ Missouri poised to enact measure nullifying federal gun laws Published August 29, 2013 FoxNews.com The Republican-led Missouri Legislature is expected to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that would expand gun rights and make federal gun regulations unenforceable -- even as similar laws adopted in other states to buck federal gun rules face legal challenges. Several of Nixon's fellow Democrats told The Associated Press that they would vote to override his veto when lawmakers convene in September, even while agreeing with the governor that the bill couldn't survive a court challenge. Many of them noted that in some parts of Missouri, a "no" vote on gun legislation could be career ending. The legislation would make it a misdemeanor for federal agents to attempt to enforce any federal gun regulations that "infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms." The same criminal charges would apply to journalists who publish any identifying information about gun owners. The charge would be punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. Nixon said the bill infringes on the U.S. Constitution by giving precedence to state law over federal laws and by limiting the First Amendment rights of media. The legislation is one of the boldest measures yet in a recent national trend in which states are attempting to nullify federal laws. A recent Associated Press analysis found that about four-fifths of the states have enacted local laws that directly reject or ignore federal laws on gun control, marijuana use, health insurance requirements and identification standards for driver's licenses. Relatively few of those go so far as to threaten criminal charges against federal authorities. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last week ruled against a series of laws enacted in Montana that attempt to declare that federal firearms regulations don't apply to guns made and kept in that state. Similar laws have been adopted in other states. In the Montana case, the Justice Department successfully argued that the courts have already decided Congress can use its power to regulate interstate commerce to set standards on such items as guns. The ruling has the potential to affect similar laws in several other states and leaves open the possibility of an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. The state of Montana has intervened in support of its law. The case also attracted the support of Utah, Alaska, Idaho, Michigan, Nebraska, South Carolina, South Dakota, West Virginia, and Wyoming. In Missouri, gun rights legislation typically has received bipartisan support. In 2003, the Republican-led Legislature overrode Democratic Gov. Bob Holden's veto of legislation legalizing concealed guns with the help of more than two dozen Democrats. That same year, Democrats helped Republicans to override another Holden veto of a bill limiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. "We love our guns and we love hunting. It's not worth the fight for me to vote against it," said Rep. T.J. McKenna, D-Festus. But, he added, "the bill is completely unconstitutional, so the courts are going to have to throw it out." McKenna was among 11 House Democrats who joined Republicans to pass the Missouri gun legislation in May, by a 116-38 vote. The bill cleared the Senate 26-6, with two Democrats supporting it. A veto override needs a two-thirds majority in both chambers, or 109 votes in the House and 23 in the Senate. Republicans hold 24 Senate seats. Although Republicans currently hold 109 House seats, they're down at least one of their own. Rep. Jay Barnes was the only Republican to vote against the original bill and said he opposes a veto override. "Our Constitution is not a Chinese buffet, which we like and do not like," the Jefferson City attorney told the AP. "The First Amendment is part of the Constitution that we must uphold. . (And) the supremacy clause means that states cannot criminalize the activities of agents of the federal government." If the rest of the Republicans stick together, and none are absent, that means they will need at least one Democratic vote to override the veto. But so far, at least three House Democrats McKenna, Keith English of Florissant and Ben Harris of Hillsboro said they would support a veto override, and Democratic Rep. Jeff Roorda of Barnhart said he was leaning toward it. "Being a rural-area Democrat, if you don't vote for any gun bill, it will kill you," Harris said. "That's what the Republicans want you to do is vote against it, because if you vote against it, they'll send one mailer every week just blasting you about guns, and you'll lose" re-election. Four other Democrats who voted for the bill told the AP they were now undecided. At least one of the original Democratic "yes" votes Rep. Steve Hodges, of East Prairie said he would switch to a "no." This year's vetoed gun bill is entitled the "Second Amendment Preservation Act" a label that some Democrats said makes it politically risky to oppose. Democratic Rep. Ed Schieffer, who proclaims himself "100 percent pro-gun," said he voted for the bill in May with an eye toward a potential 2014 state Senate campaign against Republican Rep. Jeanie Riddle, of Mokane, who also supported the bill. Schieffer, of Troy, said he is undecided whether to support a veto override. "I personally believe that any higher court will probably rule this particular gun law unconstitutional on that, I probably agree that the governor's right," Schieffer said. "But I may end up still voting for the gun bill, because I don't want to be on record for not supporting guns." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:33:19 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: NYC Mayor Bloomberg donates $350G to fight Colorado recalls http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/28/nyc-mayor-bloomberg-donates-350g-to-fight-colorado-recalls/ NYC Mayor Bloomberg donates $350G to fight Colorado recalls Published August 29, 2013 FoxNews.com New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has thrown $350,000 behind an effort to fight the recall of two Colorado Democratic legislators for their votes in favor of sweeping new gun control laws. Campaign finance paperwork filed Tuesday and obtained by KDVR.com showed that Bloomberg wrote a personal check to Taxpayers for Responsible Democracy, the group fighting the recalls targeting Colorado Springs Senate President John Morse and Sen. Angela Giron, of Pueblo. The National Rifle Association has contributed more than $108,600 to try to unseat the Democratic incumbents. Most of the money has gone toward radio, Internet, and cable ads, as well as billboard advertising. But backers of Morse and Giron have given bigger donations, most notably Bloomberg's contribution. Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns group has pushed for more restrictions on firearms in states nationwide, including Colorado. Billionaire Philanthropist Eli Broad also contributed $250,000 to the Democrats' campaigns. "We want to thank every single one of those supporters, from Mayor Michael Bloomberg to the people who gave 5 or 10 dollars," Jennie Peek-Dunstone of Pueblo United for Angela told KDVR.com. "They all play a role in fighting back against the 'wave of fear' that the recall proponents want to send across the country." Meanwhile, the state Supreme Court said Tuesday that voters in the two recall elections don't have to first vote "yes" or "no" on the recall to have their votes for a successor validated. A state constitutional requirement saying voters must first vote on the recall before voting for a candidate violates rights to voting and expression under the U.S. Constitution, the Colorado high court said. The court's brief statement came in response to a question from Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper. Hickenlooper said in a filing through the state attorney general that the question is important because the Sept. 10 elections could require a recount or even be invalidated if someone raises a legal challenge afterward. The legal filing from Hickenlooper noted that a "virtually identical provision" of California election law that required a vote on the recall before voting for a candidate was declared unconstitutional in 2003, during the recall of former Gov. Gray Davis. Election ballots were expected to be printed Tuesday, but the decision from the state Supreme Court won't present an issue, the Colorado secretary of state's office said. "It means that the wording will have to be changed to get rid of the requirement," said spokesman Andrew Cole, referring to the state provision that voters decide whether to approve the recall before selecting a successor candidate. "But from an operations standpoint, this is pretty simple." The Colorado Supreme Court said it would issue a detailed written opinion later. Both Morse and Giron supported new gun restrictions this year, including limits on the size of ammunition magazines and expanding background checks to include private and online firearm sales. No Republicans voted for the proposals. Retired police officer George Rivera is challenging Giron, and Bernie Herpin, a former Colorado Springs councilman, is running against Morse. The Associated Press contributed to this report ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #895 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)