From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #925 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, September 15 2013 Volume 15 : Number 925 In this issue: Hunters trade shots over deer breeding, killing methods NC Police Kill Unarmed Man Cops shoot two bystanders in Midtown Manhatten Danielle Smith's Letter to the RCMP Public Complaints ... Congress must recapture its lost war powers How locavores are the new gun nuts: Hunting is suddenly ... Foreign hunters hailed as B.C.'s top-spending tourists "Cops shoot two bystanders on Broadway" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:21:38 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Hunters trade shots over deer breeding, killing methods http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/15/hunters-trade-shots-over-deer-breeding-killing-methods/ Hunters trade shots over deer breeding, killing methods Published September 15, 2013 FoxNews.com The quest for better deer -- specifically bucks with antlers as freakishly big as possible -- has created a rift among deer hunters. Prize bucks are measured on a complicated scale that involves measurements between antlers, but suffice to say the more and bigger the antlers, the more valued the animal in hunting circles. But hunters who stalk deer through the woods and take them down the old-fashioned way are seeing their records obliterated by deer created by breeders and set free in enclosed areas for weekend warriors to bring down - and mount in mancaves back home. "They've now created deer that are beyond human belief in terms of their antler size," said Brian Murphy, CEO of the Quality Deer Management Association. "[The deer] staggers around under the weight of those antlers." Murphy said some some deer are released into 10,000 acres of land, while others, in the most egregious cases, are released into three to five acres before they are shot down. "Most hunters find great disdain in a known outcome," he told FoxNews.com. "That is not hunting. There has to be a high degree of not being successful. The deer has to have a fair chance to escape." People who kill deer in that fashion follow "a code of ethics that is beyond reproach," he said. The race for bigger deer has prompted some to fear that cloning methods, first pioneered at Texas A&M laboratories in order to protect the species, could soon be used to accelerate the race for bigger antlers. In an investigative article written for Outdoor Life magazine http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2011/09/freak-show-bucks-look-genetically-altered-deer , Chris Dougherty describes what he called "Frankenstein Bucks." "One look at this pen-reared buck tells you there is something wrong, something terribly wrong. His obscenely disfigured antlers look more like something you would find growing on a coral reef or in a post nuclear war sci-fi thriller," Dougherty wrote. "They twist and turn and droop and bulge and fork and then fork again." But other deer breeding groups, like Michigan-based Whitehouse Whitetails http://www.whitehousewhitetails.com/deer-breeders-in-michigan/ , said there's no difference between killing deer in the wild and killing them in an enclosed space. "They have the right to do that because it isn't to hunt. They just want the head to mount on their wall," said Laura Caroll, who, along with her husband, owns the deer breeding company. "They [critics] are saying that one way of killing them is different from another way of killing them," she said. "But the end result is that they kill them." "It's no different than raising cattle that's going to go on people's tables," Caroll said. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:33:29 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: NC Police Kill Unarmed Man http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57602996/unarmed-man-possibly -looking-for-help-after-wreck-shot-by-police/ NC Police Kill Unarmed Man Who May Have Been Running For Help... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:33:46 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Cops shoot two bystanders in Midtown Manhatten http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/cops-accidentally-shoot-two-bystanders-while-trying-to-subdue-man/ Cops shoot two bystanders on Broadway, NYC, while trying to subdue a man. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, September 15, 2013 11:50 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Danielle Smith's Letter to the RCMP Public Complaints ... ...Commissioner - September 12, 2013 September 12, 2013 - Danielle Smith's Letter to the RCMP Public Complaints Commissioner http://www.wildrose.ca/media/2013/09/September-12-2013-McPhail-Letter.pdf NEWS RELEASE: Learning from High River: Wildrose calls for a public inquiry into flood response http://www.wildrose.ca/feature/learning-from-high-river-wildrose-calls-for-a -public-inquiry-into-flood-response/ REPORT: Learning from High River: Why a public enquiry into the 2013 floods is needed http://www.wildrose.ca/media/2013/08/Lessons-from-High-RIver.pdf CANADA'S NATIONAL FIREARMS ASSOCIATION - HIGH RIVER FORCED ENTRY AND PROPERTY SEIZURES (Firearms and Ammunition) THIRD LETTER TO THE RCMP PUBLIC COMPLAINTS COMMISSIONER - SEPTEMBER 13, 2013 http://nfa.ca/news/nfas-third-letter-rcmp-public-complaints-commissioner-sep tember-13 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:59:30 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Congress must recapture its lost war powers http://www.humanevents.com/2013/09/13/congress-must-recapture-its-lost-war-powers/ Congress must recapture its lost war powers By: Patrick J. Buchanan 9/13/2013 "It was a damn near-run thing," said the Duke of Wellington. The Iron Duke was speaking of Waterloo. And for the United States, it was a damn near-run thing that we are not now in a major war - with an enraged Arab and Muslim world viewing sickening videos of dead and dying Syrian women and children from U.S. missile strikes. Next time, we may not be so lucky. Next time, we may not have Vladimir Putin to pull our chestnuts out of the fire, as he did by seizing on yet another gaffe by John Kerry and converting it into a Russian plan to have Syria identify and surrender its chemical weapons. Putin pulled President Obama back off the ledge. He saved Obama from having either to ignominiously climb down from his "Assad must go!" and "red line" bluster - or act on his ultimata and plunge us into a war the American people and U.S. military do not want to fight. Putin was acting in Russia's interests. But in preventing a U.S.-Syrian war, Putin's interests and ours are one. Russia does not want a confrontation over U.S. missiles falling on its Syrian ally. Do we? Russia does not want a wider Mideast war, which is what a U.S. strike would bring, with Russia and Iran racing to support and re-equip their stricken Syrian ally. Do we want that wider war? Russia does not want Assad to fall, not only because that would mean a defeat for Russia, but because of the awful consequences. Is Putin wrong when he writes in the New York Times of the rebels: "The United States State Department has designated Al-Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. "Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all." Is Putin wrong? Even Obama seems to fear what Putin fears. Thus Obama says any U.S. strike would not be intended to bring down Assad. But if he does not want regime change, why is Obama funneling weapons to rebels who are fighting for regime change? Almost no one fears Assad would use chemical weapons on the United States. But if he falls, some of these weapons would surely fall into the hands of jihadists who would relish dispatching suicide bombers with nerve gas against Americans. Putin's policy makes sense. It is Obama's policy that is incoherent. We demand proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" before we hang murderers. Yet we threaten to kill Syrians for war crimes no one has yet been able to pin directly on Bashar Assad. Why not prove he ordered the strikes, before we start the war? John McCain comes out of a meeting with Obama boasting a robust attack is coming. Other senators say they have assurances no such attack is in the cards. One day John Kerry is facing down Hitler in the Rhineland. The next he is promising the world that any U.S. strike will be "unbelievably small." Obama has to correct him: The U.S. military does not do "pinpricks." Yet, no one seems able to point to a strategic benefit America will derive, other than feeling better about ourselves, from launching missiles into the middle of what Obama calls "someone else's war." The natural instinct of the American people - Keep us out! - is correct. Yet the War Party, though temporarily routed, has not given up on its goal - war on Syria, followed by war on Iran. Lindsay Graham is urging Obama to attack Syria even without Congress's authorization. Bibi Netanyahu, after a call from Obama, is pushing Congress to back a U.S. strike on Syria. Republican leaders John Boehner and Eric Cantor have saluted and signed on to war. Neocon apparatchik William Kristol is urging Republicans to give Obama a blank check for war on Syria - and for war on Iran. Daniel Pipes of The Mideast Forum has an op-ed in the Washington Times and the title says it all: "Forget Syria, Target Iran." "We have scorched the snake, not killed it." The War Party is not dead. House Republicans who oppose a U.S. war on Syria speak for the people and should seize this moment to dump Obama conscripts Boehner and Cantor and replace them with leaders who will stand resolutely against Obama's war, against Obamacare, and against amnesty. The House should then pass a resolution instructing the president: -Absent an attack on this country, you have no authority to take us to war against Syria, Iran, or any other nation. -We are taking back from you the war powers the Fathers gave us. -We are going to restore our constitutional republic. Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, September 15, 2013 12:40 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: How locavores are the new gun nuts: Hunting is suddenly ... ...fashionable How locavores are the new gun nuts Hunting is suddenly fashionable By Andrew Potter - September 12, 2013 http://www.boulderweekly.com/article-11639-what-a-great-article-to-highlight -an-idea-that-is-.html We all know the typical face of right-wing gun nuttery, from the local camo-clad yahoos in a pickup with a gun rack and jacklights all the way to Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, who blamed the Sandy Hook school massacre on violent films and video games and called for armed officers in every school. But there's a new gun nut in town. Once upon a time you could find him wandering gentrifying neighborhoods in skinny jeans and a retro T-shirt carrying an armload of vinyl in one arm and pushing a fixed-gear bike with the other. But lately he's traded his turntable for a firearm, and slung over his shoulder is a 12-gauge birdgun or a scoped 30-06 hunting rifle, with loose shells spilling out of his coat pockets. Hunting is suddenly fashionable. But what is remarkable is that this increased interest is coming not from people on the political right, but from those who usually identify with the progressive left. And it is threatening to undermine the gun control lobby from within at a time when the U.S. is having the most serious conversation about the issue in decades. The hipster hunter trend has been quietly building for a few years. In 2011, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg announced that he would only eat meat from animals he had personally slaughtered. He said his motivation was both ethical and environmental - to understand where his food came from, and to consume as much of the animals that he kills as possible. Similarly, in a column for Slate published last December, a writer named Emma Morris extolled what she sees as the progressive virtues of hunting. She argued that shooting wild animals for food is more ecologically sound than buying industrially raised meat, and more ethically "honest" than outsourcing the killing of the animal to a slaughterhouse employee. Finally, The Vancouver Sun recently carried a feature about the phenomenon. Again, the story's hip young subjects talked about the twin benefits of ethical honesty and environmental sustainability. It is important to realize that this is not one of those random countercultural hiccups that arise from time to time, like planking or the raw coconut craze of 2011. Instead, it is the deep internal logic of contemporary foodie culture working itself out. There is a self-radicalizing dynamic built into the values of the burgeoning locavore movement, and over the past decade, food-focused moral one-upmanship has shifted from the virtues of organic to local, then to artisanal food, while the DIY imperative quickly evolved from casually making your own charcuterie to taking pig-butchering classes to raising your own urban chickens. And once you've bought in, it is a short and entirely logical step to the conclusion that both ethics and environmentalism demand that you hunt, kill and dress any meat you choose to eat. Which means if you're a sincere and consistent locavore, and you want to eat meat, you need to learn to shoot a gun. The problem is, neither of the main arguments in favor of shooting what you eat have been carefully thought out. Emma Morris argues that killing an animal yourself seems more ethically honest. But why is that the case? After all, every one of us benefits from people being willing to do, for money, things we can't or won't do ourselves, either out of lack of ability, principled objections or simple squeamishness. There is no obvious moral objection to outsourcing things we want done to those willing to do it, from housework to coal mining to national defense. Why should food production be any different? As for the argument that hunting is more environmentally sustainable, the claim does have superficial plausibility. Surely it is better, after all, to kill and eat a deer after it has spent its life roaming free and eating clover than to chow down on a steak cut from an industrially fed and slaughtered cow. The problem is there are simply not enough wild animals to go around. Hunters killed about 6 million deer in North America last year. Meanwhile, 38 million cattle were slaughtered. Since you get five times as much meat from a cow as you do from a deer, to substitute industrially raised beef for wild venison would require a deer harvest in the range of 190 million deer. That can't happen, of course, since there are only about 32 million deer in all of North America. But what is so strange about the locavore movement is how much it aims to reverse the single most important factor in the development of civilization, namely, the specialization of skills and the division of labor. The new mantra is to do everything yourself, regardless of time, talent, skill, or inclination. A handy tip for determining the validity of a moral injunction is to ask yourself, "What if everybody did that?" And it is surely problematic that fully implementing the "sustainable" locavore agenda would result in the extermination of the wild deer population at the hands of a foodie horde. There's nothing wrong with the DIY ethos when it is pursued casually or recreationally, and in many ways, doing something for yourself that could be done cheaper and better through outsourcing or automation is the very definition of a hobby. But locavores don't see themselves in those terms. Rather, the movement presents itself as a morally progressive and ecologically sustainable way of life that, properly implemented, will reform capitalism, agriculture and the environment. If anything, the locavore culture ties into an utterly reactionary worldview, seeking to drag society back to the 19th century. But more critically, it is - to put it mildly - a bit of a problem for the gun control lobby that a significant percentage of self-styled progressives are pushing a moral program that requires a massive increase in gun ownership among the very people it ought to be able to count on as its core constituency. The upshot is, you can believe in local food, or you can believe in gun control. But you almost certainly cannot believe in both. Andrew Potter is the author of The Authenticity Hoax: How We Get Lost Finding Ourselves, out now in paperback from McLelland & Stewart. This story first appeared in the April 19 issue of the Ottawa Citizen. - Featurewell.com Respond: letters@boulderweekly.com ------------------------------------- Foreign hunters hailed as B.C.'s top-spending tourists Resident and non-resident hunting combined generates $350 million in economic activity yearly, B.C. government reports By Randy Shore, Vancouver Sun September 6, 2013 Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Foreign+hunters+hailed+spending+tourists/8876559/story.html#ixzz2ezJfDc9w ------------------------------ Date: Sun, September 15, 2013 12:46 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Foreign hunters hailed as B.C.'s top-spending tourists Foreign hunters hailed as B.C.'s top-spending tourists Resident and non-resident hunting combined generates $350 million in economic activity yearly, B.C. government reports By Randy Shore, Vancouver Sun September 6, 2013 http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Foreign+hunters+hailed+spending+tourists/8876559/story.html Foreign game hunters are the highest spending tourists that come to this province, according to the Guide Outfitters Association of B.C. About 5,000 non-resident hunters visit B.C. each year, generating $120 million and employing 2,000 guide outfitters, said Scott Ellis, executive director of GOABC. "The opportunity to go on a grizzly bear hunt by itself will cost $25,000 and that doesn't include flights, hotels and other expenses in Vancouver or Prince Rupert," said Ellis. "They are B.C.'s top-spending tourists." The number of so-called trophy animals - mainly grizzly bears and mountain sheep - killed by hunters each year is relatively small compared to species typically harvested for food. In 2012 non-resident hunters killed 69 grizzly bears, while resident hunters killed 181. The total grizzly bear population in B.C. is estimated at about 15,000, according to B.C. government figures. This past year, species permits for mountain sheep were issued to about 200 non-resident hunters and 18,500 residents. The same year, the government issued hunting permits for more than 40,000 moose, 25,000 elk, 51,000 whitetail deer and 79,000 mule deer. Nature-based tourism, including hunting, is worth roughly $1.5 billion and provides about 26,000 jobs, according to a report by the Wilderness Tourism Association of B.C. released earlier this year. Resident and non-resident hunting combined generates about $350 million in economic activity a year in B.C., according to the provincial government. The value of the grizzly bear viewing industry was calculated at about $6.1 million a year as early as 2003 and industry estimates suggest that figure has doubled along with the general growth of the nature tourism industry. "There is no reason that bear viewing and bear hunting cannot co-exist in B.C.," said Ellis. "They can and they do. A little more training of resident hunters might be needed to ensure that when they win that lottery they don't recklessly shoot a young bear that is avidly being watched by someone else. "They should be separated by time and space, but hunters don't have to go to viewing areas," he said. "There's lots of bears and they are never hard to find." Hunters and the fees they pay provide significant funding for conservation and habitat protection directly and indirectly, according to Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations Minister Steve Thomson. About 100,000 resident hunters are licensed each year in B.C., generating about $7.2 million in fees and species permits. "Without hunting - beyond the economic impact to tourism and guide outfitters - we would lose a lot of the good work that is done by huntersupported organizations, including conservation, habitat enhancement and restoration," Thomson said. "Hunters are important partners, they are eyes and ears on the ground providing information and inventory work that inform wildlife management decisions," said Thomson. About 84 per cent of the annual budget of the Habitat Conservation Trust Foundation is supplied by provincial surcharges applied to hunting and fishing licences and fees, about $6 million a year. The foundation independently distributes those funds through about 150 grants each year to organizations active in conservation and habitat restoration projects. Hunter-supported organizations such as Ducks Unlimited Canada and the B.C. Wildlife Federation use member contributions and government funding to pursue conservation projects all over B.C. BCWF's membership exceeds 40,000 and members contribute about 300,000 volunteer hours a year to conservation work. The federation also administers programs to hunters on behalf of the government, including the Conservation and Outdoor Recreation Education course required of all hunters. DUC has been active in B.C. for 45 years and completed more than 1,000 conservation projects, said Brad Arner, manager of provincial operations. rshore@vancouversun.com Blog: vancouversun.com/greenman ---------------------------------- VIDOE: Anti-trophy hunting film to screen this fall at Telus World of Science By Mike Hager, Vancouver Sun September 13, 2013 http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Anti+trophy+hunting+film+screen+this+fall+T elus+World+Science/8911111/story.html The Coastal First Nations are praising Vancouver's Telus World of Science for screening the 20-minute anti-trophy hunting Bear Witness documentary this fall. Regular visitors to Science World can now watch the film about the First Nations-led bear research in the Great Bear Rainforest and the controversial practice of killing bears for sport. That practice of killing a bear for its head, paws and pelt came under fire this summer when The Sun published a photo of NHL defenceman Clayton Stoner holding up the severed head of a grizzly bear that he shot with a licence in May. Natives believe it is disrespectful and unethical to kill bears for trophies and not for food. "It's fantastic that the Telus World of Science is able to show families in the Lower Mainland the beauty of our territories, but also some of the challenges," Coastal First Nations spokesman and bear viewing guide Douglas Neasloss said in a news release. "The reality is, this is not just a First Nations issue. The special bond we have with bears is shared by all people in BC, whether they know it or not." Four out of five British Columbians support a ban on trophy hunting grizzly bears, according to a public-opinion poll conducted for the Coastal First Nations in July and released earlier this month. Government officials have said that will not ban the practice, adding that the best available science supports continued grizzly hunting. The film will start screening this Saturday at 5:30 p.m. and be included in the regular admission price. It can also be seen at www.bearsforever.ca . Mhager@postmedia.com www.twitter.com/MikePHager ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:41:51 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Cops shoot two bystanders on Broadway" Interesting, two bystanders shot but it appears the guy they were shooting at, who was unarmed, doesn't seem to have been hit, and was finally tasered. No indication of the distance at which the shooting took place. 18 months is a Rookie, but is 3 years still a Rookie? Or is that just to avoid a question about rules of engagement or training standards. ========================= ====================== Cops shoot two bystanders on Broadway By Elizabeth Ferguson and Erin Calabrese September 15, 2013 | 12:31am Police at the scene of a Saturday shooting outside the Port Authority Bus Terminal. Photo: Christopher Sadowski Cops trying to subdue an emotionally disturbed man with a long rap sheet accidentally shot two female bystanders outside Port Authority Bus Terminal on Saturday night, source said. Theodora Ray, 54, was struck in her leg — breaking two bones in her calf — as she stood leaning on her four-wheeled walker across from the terminal; Sahara Khoshakhlagh, 35, was grazed in her buttocks. One of the victim’s of Saturday’s shooting lies wounded on the sidewalk.Twitter.com/ Kerri Ann Nesbeth Two cops pulled off a total of three shots in the mistaken belief that the deranged Glen Broadnax, 35, was armed after he reached into his pocket as they approached him, officials said. Broadnax took his hand out of his pocket and “simulated shooting the officers,” Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters. “He’s got a gun!” witnesses said someone in the crowd shouted just before shots rang out. One police bullet sent Ray sprawling to the sidewalk grate, still clutching her walker. She was rushed to Bellevue Hospital where Kelly visited her before speaking to reporters waiting outside. Khoshakhlagh was taken to Roosevelt Hospital. Kelly visited her, too, prior to her release at 1:15 Sunday morning. She left Roosevelt on foot, still wearing a hospital gown. She left accompanied by a cop, a man in a suit, and a third man in casual clothes. When a reporter asked her to describe what happened, she was ordered not to speak by the man in the suit. The chaos began a block from Times Square just after 9:30 p.m., when the hulking Broadnax ran into the bustling intersection of Eighth Avenue and 42nd Street. “It was like he wanted to get hit,” one eyewitness, Fabiola Ferere, 30, of Queens, told The Post. Police rushed to the scene, halting traffic and trying to subdue the crazed man, who somehow managed to avoid being struck by swerving and skidding vehicles. Modal Trigger Glen Broadnax, restrained, on a stretcher following Saturday’s incident.Christopher Sadowski “He was just running around avoiding police,” Ferere said. “The police literally could not control him. He had to be on something, like narcotics or bath salts,” Ferere said. Modal Trigger NYPD Chief of Department Philip Banks III (left) and NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly discuss the shooting at a press conference.Christopher Sadowski “The individual was blocking traffic and appeared to be attempting to be hit by cars,” Kelly said. “A minute after the shooting, dozens of police cars came down the street,” said Arken Assam, 43, a street photographer who takes pictures of tourists for money. “Hundreds of people were just running,” said Assam, who himself took shelter in Madame Toussaud’s on 42nd Street. Police finally brought Broadnax down with a Taser, then took him to Bellevue. Broadnax is no stranger to cops, with at least 13 prior arrests, primarily for assault in Manhattan and The Bronx, according to law-enforcement sources. He’s also done two prison stints for robbery. Kelly told reporters little of his conversation with the two victims. “They weren’t 100 percent certain of what happened,” he said, describing their mindset after being shot. “They’re in good spirits,” he added. The two officers who opened fire are rookies, with 18 months and three years on the job. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #925 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)