From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #940 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, September 22 2013 Volume 15 : Number 940 In this issue: Obama urges new gun law push Is the sun peeking through the war clouds? Obama's Greatest Asset: Clueless Americans Domestic Violence Court celebrates 8 years of success Shooting Program for Women Kenya: 2 Canadians among 68 dead Al-Shabaab claims ... Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #933 RE: regarding: My Last Day in Court Re: Len Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:27:39 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Obama urges new gun law push http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/22/obama-urges-new-gun-law-push-at-cbc-dinner/ Obama urges new gun law push at CBC Foundation dinner Published September 22, 2013 Associated Press Days after mass shootings in both of his hometowns, President Barack Obama urged his most ardent supporters Saturday "to get back up and go back at it" and help push stalled legislation out of Congress so dangerous people won't get their hands on guns. "We can't rest until all of our children can go to school or walk down the street free from the fear that they will be struck down by a stray bullet," Obama said in a keynote speech to the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation's annual awards dinner. Legislation calling for expanded background checks failed to clear the Senate earlier this year despite a strong push by Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, people whose loved ones had been killed by gunfire and other gun-control advocates. The bill was part of a package of measures Obama promised to put the full weight of his office behind after 20 first-graders and six educators were killed last December in a mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. Republicans and some Democrats voted against the measure. Obama used the occasion of his keynote speech to make his first public comments about this week's pair of shootings. Just two days ago in his other hometown of Chicago, 13 people out watching a game of pickup basketball at a neighborhood park were wounded by gunfire, including a 3-year-old boy. This past Monday in Washington, 12 people were slain by a gunman who later was killed by police. Obama was preparing to speak Sunday evening at a memorial service in Washington for victims of that shooting. "Tomorrow night I'll be meeting in mourning with families in this city who now know the same unspeakable grief of families in Newtown and Aurora and Tucson and Chicago and New Orleans and all across the country, people whose loved ones were torn from them without headlines sometimes or public outcry," Obama said. "But it's happening every single day," he said. "We fought a good fight earlier this year, but we came up short and that means we've got to get back up and go back at it because as long as there are those who fight to make it as easy as possible for dangerous people to get their hands on a gun, then we've got to work as hard as possible for the sake of our children. We've got to be ones who are willing to do more work to make it harder." The White House said after Monday's shooting that Obama is using his executive authority to tighten access to guns and remains committed to strengthening gun laws, including requiring background checks for sales online and at gun shows. The dinner celebrated the "Spirit of 1963," including the civil rights movement and the March on Washington for Jobs and Justice led 50 years ago at the Lincoln Memorial by Martin Luther King Jr. The annual event also celebrated the advances the movement brought about for black Americans, including voting rights, desegregation and Obama's election in 2008 as America's first black president. Without mentioning his place in history, Obama acknowledged progress made since 1963 but said there was more to be done. He spoke of work needed to reduce an unemployment rate among blacks that is twice that of whites, increase the minimum wage as he proposed earlier this year and provide health care and education for all. He said upward mobility has slipped out of reach for too many Americans, including in largely black communities. Obama said the U.S. must become a place where hard work buys a ticket into the middle class. He suggested continuing to follow the example of the civil rights heroes of the past and not letting up until that dream also becomes a reality. "We must make this country a place where anyone who works hard can earn their way into the middle class," Obama told hundreds of people packed into a cavernous ballroom in Washington's convention center. "And until we do, we can't let up and we can't rest." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:40:52 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Is the sun peeking through the war clouds? http://www.humanevents.com/2013/09/20/is-the-sun-peeking-through-the-war-clouds/ Is the sun peeking through the war clouds? By: Patrick J. Buchanan 9/20/2013 Prussian Chancellor Otto von Bismarck is sometimes credited with the proverb, "God has a special providence for fools, drunks and the United States of America." Observing the unfolding of the Syrian crisis, the Iron Chancellor was an insightful man. In August, we were hours away from missile strikes on Syria and involvement in its civil war with the possibility that Hezbollah, Iran and Russia would be drawn in. Seeking a way out of the box into which he gotten himself with his "Assad Must Go!" and "red line" bluster, President Obama announced he was going to Congress to get its backing, before bombing. This ignited a Middle American uprising against Obama's war. Then John Kerry said Syria could evade the terrible swift sword of Barack Obama only by surrendering all their chemical weapons within a week. Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, watching the United States careening toward a war that Russia no more wanted than did most of Congress, seized upon Kerry's statement and said: Let us work together to rid Syria of chemical arms. Obama grabbed the life preserver. To say the War Party is apoplectic at Obama for blowing this chance to get us into war with Syria, which held real promise of sucking us into a war with Iran, is an understatement. The worst peace scare in memory is sweeping through the think tanks of Washington. Conceding the incompetence of how Obama and Kerry got us into this mess, are we not in a far better place than a month ago? -A U.S. war on Syria has been averted. We are not killing Syrians. -Assad has conceded he has chemical weapons and has shown a willingness to have inspectors come in and remove it. -The chilly, almost Cold War-like relations between Obama and Putin have given way to cooperation in getting these chemical weapons chronicled and removed. -While this disarmament may take years, this is a powerful incentive for America and Russia to bring about a cease-fire, truce or end to this civil-sectarian war that has taken so many thousands of lives. -There is a rising realization in the United States that the enemy in Syria is not Assad but the al-Qaida fighters and their allies. A victory for the rebels could mean mass martyrdom for Syria's Christians and the annihilation of the Alawites. -Hassan Rouhani, the new prime minister of Iran, has gone on U.S. television to declare Iran is not only not building an atom bomb, it will never do so. And he has signaled a willingness to prove it in return for a lifting of sanctions and readmission to the world community. -A U.S.-Iranian meeting appears possible next week at the U.N., which could lead to direct negotiations over Iran's nuclear program. There is always a possibility an incident could turn the United States back toward the bellicosity of August and put the War Party back in the saddle. But there are reasons to be hopeful. And that hope is not based on some naive trust in the truth of what we are being told by our adversaries, but on what their own cold interests dictate. Take Russia. A U.S. attack on Syria would surely lead to deeper U.S. involvement, the fall of Assad, the loss of her principal ally in the Arab world and her naval base at Latakia, and a loss of prestige at having been proven unable to protect her Syrian ally from the Americans. A U.S. war on Assad's regime could also mean a victory for Islamists and their capture of some of Assad's chemical weapons, which could turn up in the Caucasus just in time for the Sochi Olympics. Take Iran. She is suffering from the sanctions. Failure to do a deal on her nuclear program carries a rising risk the War Party will get its way and the United States will launch air and missile strikes, leading to a war in the Persian Gulf. No matter the damage this might do to America and the global economy, Iran could be set back decades. A breakup of Iran is possible, as Iraq is breaking up. And what would an atom bomb do for Iran? The Saudis would acquire one, and the Israelis would put their hundreds on a hair trigger. If America was not intimidated by thousands of nuclear weapons in Soviet silos and on Soviet submarines, does Tehran think an Iranian bomb is going to frighten the Americans out of the Gulf? Take Syria. Assad wants to survive and emerge victorious from his civil war. That means no war with the United States. That means meeting the Americans at least halfway. In short, the United States, Russia, Syria and even Iran have a cold interest in no wider war in Syria. Unfortunately, powerful forces across the Middle East, and right here in River City, believe they have a vital interest in bringing about just such a war. Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:04:01 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Obama's Greatest Asset: Clueless Americans http://jewishworldreview.com/0913/bernie_g.php3 Obama's Greatest Asset: Clueless Americans "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." By Bernard Goldberg Sept. 16, 2013 H.L. Mencken made Andy Rooney look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm. Both gave curmudgeons a bad name. But Andy was shrew; he played to Middle Americans. He would say something like, "Have you ever wondered why we collect string?" - and they would swoon. He was one of them, they thought. I knew Andy. He wasn't one of them and I suspect he didn't think much of them. Mencken, on the other hand, made no secret of his disdain for ordinary Americans, whom he saw as hopeless dolts. Mencken, a Baltimore newspaperman, once said this about his fellow Americans: "Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know-and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me-has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people." Pretty cold. But given that the great masses of plain people elected Barack Obama twice, maybe H.L. was onto something. They elected him the first time because he was a historical figure. He wasn't Mondale or Dukakis or Gore or Kerry. He was young and cool and black and liberal. And Americans wanted to make history. But the second time around? Unemployment was high, a big majority of Americans thought we were on the wrong track, the economic recovery was anemic, and most Americans had little confidence that things would get better anytime soon. Yet he won again. So how do we explain it? Yes, you could pin it on a weak Republican candidate, but maybe Mencken was right. Maybe Americans - or enough of them anyway - are just not that smart. I've been thinking about this the past few days as I, along with everyone else, watched how the president has bungled the Syrian situation. First, during his campaign for re-election, he needlessly draws a red line, warning Syria that the use of chemical weapons is something the United States would not tolerate. So far, there have been no repercussions. Then, a week or so ago, after the world witnessed gruesome videos of dead children who had been exposed to poison gas, presumably the work of the Syrian regime, Secretary of State John Kerry makes a forceful statement about Bashar al-Assad's immorality and makes clear that military action is coming. Twenty-four hours later the president, who said he didn't need Congressional approval for a military attack, decides he wants Congress in on the decision.The president says he still wants to attack Syria, but that there's no rush. John Kerry, mindful that Congress is as war-weary as the American people, explains that any U.S. action would be an "unbelievably small, limited kind of effort," prompting groans and guffaws from all over the place. Enter Vladimir Putin, who comes riding to Mr. Obama's rescue - rescue, that is, from a certain no vote in the House and perhaps another no vote in the Democratically-controlled Senate. Putin pushes the idea - originally put forth, tongue in check, by Secretary of State Kerry - that Russia would work with the Syrian regime to put their chemical arsenal under international control "for subsequent destruction." The result of all this is a president who comes off looking like more like a community organizer than a commander-in-chief. I keep waiting for Ted Mack to come out and say: Welcome friends to the latest edition of the Amateur Hour. At heart, Mr. Obama may or may not be a nice guy. Reasonable people may disagree on that. But when it comes to being president, he's clearly in way over his head. In a piece for Commentary that runs under the headline, "The Collapse of the Obama Presidency," Peter Wehner makes that very point. This is how he puts it: "How bad has 2013 been for Barack Obama? Let us count the ways. "In the first year of his second term, the president has failed on virtually every front. He put his prestige on the line to pass federal gun-control legislation-and lost. He made climate change a central part of his inaugural address-and nothing has happened. The president went head-to-head with Republicans on sequestration-and he failed. He's been forced to delay implementation of the employer mandate, a key feature of the Affordable Care Act. ObamaCare is more unpopular than ever, and it's turning out to be a 'train wreck' (to quote Democratic Senator Max Baucus) in practice. The most recent jobs report was the worst in a year, with the Obama recovery already qualifying as a historically weak one. Immigration reform is going nowhere. And then there's Syria, which has turned out to be an epic disaster." Barack Obama is the man who told us that his candidacy would "ring out across this land as a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, make this time different than all the rest." No wonder his acolytes thought he was the messiah. So why do I think that if he were constitutionally able to run for a third term, despite everything, there's a good chance he'd win? Let's turn again to Mr. Mencken and that observation he made many years ago for an answer. "Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know-and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me-has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people." Or to put it in a slightly different way: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, September 22, 2013 12:53 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Domestic Violence Court celebrates 8 years of success Saskatoon court deals with domestic violence charges differently Domestic Violence Court celebrates 8 years of success Reported by Bre McAdam - First Posted: Sep 20, 2013 5:46pm http://cjme.com/story/saskatoon-court-deals-domestic-violence-charges-differently/133596 Saskatoon lawyers, judges and court workers are celebrating a unique court process that focuses on rehabilitating offenders and supporting victims of domestic violence. It's the eighth year of the Domestic Violence Court at the Saskatoon Provincial Courthouse, where people gathered Friday to hear testimonials about the court's success. In Domestic Violence Court, offenders have the option to plead guilty and take treatment programming before being sentenced. "We are finding the number of people that are actually completing the programming is ten times more than it was before we had the court," said Judge Barry Singer. Singer said Domestic Violence Court differs from the conventional criminal court system, which tacks on programming as a condition to a sentence, by giving offenders an incentive to take the programming first. "Then you're sentenced; if you successfully complete the program you get a much lighter sentence," said Singer. He said several agencies came together in 2005 to develop a separate court for domestic violence issues after realizing that the regular court system wasn't working. Too many offenders were ending up back in court, charged with breaching their probation because they failed to complete the treatment program. "I think it's becoming recognized that the short term gain of having a charge dismissed or having someone acquitted after a trial will do nothing to address the underlying issues that lead to a person coming in conflict with the law in the first place," said Matthew Miazga, a Crown prosecutor who helped make Saskatoon's Domestic Violence Court a reality. The therapeutic court with an emphasis on healing now has specific programming for female offenders, same-sex couples and immigrants. While the court works to rehabilitate offenders, it also offers specialized support to victims of domestic violence. They're still working on improving resources for male victims of intimate partner violence, according to Rosanne Morphy, coordinator for the Domestic Violence Court case worker program. She said one of the most significant changes they've noticed is the number of men who require their services--111 in the last fiscal year. In addition to Saskatoon, there are also domestic violence courts in Regina and in the Battlefords. Choking up while he spoke, Miazga told the crowd some of the most powerful feedback they have received from offenders who have gone through Domestic Violence Court programming. "I find it unbelievably awesome. I look forward to Friday's, I really do. I'm learning quite a bit, and I'm using it in my life and I actually saw a change, and people around me have seen a change too." bmcadam@rawlco.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, September 22, 2013 12:56 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Shooting Program for Women Shooting Program for Women Institutes confidence and skills in handling firearms By JASMINE ROGERS , Marietta Times - September 22, 2013 http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/content.detail/id/578356/Shooting-Program-for-Women.html?nav=5061 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:45:29 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Kenya: 2 Canadians among 68 dead Al-Shabaab claims ... ...responsibility as Kenyan officials vow to end siege 'tonight' http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kenya-mall-attack-2-canadians-among-68-dead-1.1863653 Kenya mall attack: 2 Canadians among 68 dead Al-Shabaab claims responsibility as Kenyan officials vow to end siege 'tonight' Kenya's military is staging a final offensive to end a tense stand-off at an upmarket Nairobi shopping centre within hours, following an attack by heavily armed militants that killed 68 people, two of whom were Canadian citizens. Officials say the operation is already underway and that the violent siege, which began Saturday morning, is expected to come to a close "tonight." The ominous statement came as Kenya's Red Cross rose the death toll from the attacks to 68. Earlier Sunday, Israeli advisers hunkered down with Kenyan forces to formulate a strategy for flushing out the militants still holed up inside the Westgate shopping centre in Kenya's capital. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.ask.com/web?qKenya+%2B+gun+control+laws&search&qsrc64&o 1. allAfrica.com: Kenya: For Security's Sake, Relax Gun Control allafrica.com/stories/200401050299.html Jan 5, 2004 ... Kenya: For Security's Sake, Relax Gun Control ... We must distinguish between those who have chosen the line of crime and the law-abiding 2. Human Rights Atrocities: The Consequences of UN Gun ... www.davekopel.com/2a/Foreign/kenya-uganda.htm Jun 28, 2006 ... In Kenya and Uganda, gun control has caused many violations of ... Thus the gun law can be pretty arbitrary and subjective in its application.". 3. Lets Build Kenya-Politics: Guns should be legal in Kenya tommukuha.blogspot.com/2009/05/guns-should-be-legal-in-... May 13, 2009 ... The only hope a Kenyan trapped in a house surrounded by 20 to 30 thugs ... Mexico has more restrictive gun control than the USA, and also a ... 4. Correlating Gun Control Laws Worldwide and Crime Discloses ... sapphiresky.org/2013/01/16/correlating-gun-control-laws... Jan 16, 2013 ... Correlating Gun Control Laws Worldwide and Crime Discloses Surprises ... South Africa, Kenya, Brazil and India, and a few with wide-ranging ... ...Kenya was also odd - one of the worst reported murder rates in the world, but minimal crime in all other categories, such that it made the top "safe" countries notwithstanding the tremendous murder rate. Again, it could be that Kenya is not as diligent in reporting or recording other categories of crime. Numerous developing nations reported information on their murder rates only to UNODC. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:34:28 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #933 Will gun owners in Alberta become politically active there to obtain constitutional protection, e.i. a Right to Hunt, or depend on the "charity" of Premier 'Alison Redford's hostile regime, for their existence? Albertans, a sleeping giant or just sleeping? On 2013-09-19, at 8:57 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:16:23 -0600 > From: "Joe Gingrich" > Subject: Waking a Sleeping Giant in Colorado > > http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/lott-on-co-recall.htm > > Waking a Sleeping Giant in Colorado > > Democrats knew what they wanted in Colorado, but they overreached. > > By John R. Lott Jr. September 11th 2013 > > Article Source: > http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358261/waking-sleeping-giant-colorado-john-r-lott-jr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:05:20 -0400 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: regarding: My Last Day in Court Good luck getting a trial by jury, but if you do remember people here don't know about jury nullification and you cant tell them about it. Tony Katz > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 09:45:46 -0600 > From: edwardhudson@shaw.ca > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Re: regarding: My Last Day in Court > > Re: regarding: My Last Day in Court > > Thanks, Joe, you have pointed the way to our next course of action. > > Sincerely, > > Eduardo > > On 21-Sep-13, at 9:06 AM, Joe Gingrich wrote:. >> >> Thomas Jefferson once said "I consider Trial by Jury as the only >> anchor >> yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the >> principles >> of its constitution". Here Jefferson described a solution to the >> firearms >> community's dilemma as well as its problem. The jury is powerful in >> preserving our freedoms, for without its consent the government may >> punish no >> person and all its unjust laws and oppressive application of those >> laws are >> of no effect. Trial by jury is the final legal check on tyranny and >> thus a >> symbol of and a prevention for losing our free society. > >> In addition, "jurors >> have always had the ability to ignore the judge, ignore the law and >> acquit. >> Jury nullification serves as an important check on government power. >> --- >> --If the jury wants to disbelieve any piece of evidence, it's >> entitled to do that. >> That's the basis of the power of jury nullification." >> ( Dean, College of Law University of Saskatchewan Sanjeev >> Anand from Edmonton Sun January 15, 2006) >> >> You've explained, "With a Criminal Code 92 charge we would have >> all the >> legal protections of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - >> primarily the presumption of innocence, and more importantly, the >> right to a trial by a jury. When the RCMP use section 117.03 to >> confiscate our property, we have none of our basic Charter guaranteed >> human Rights." One problem is that the Charter only protects accused >> Canadians with a jury trial under certain limiting conditions. >> Charter Section 11. "f) except in the case of an offence under >> military law >> tried before a military tribunal, to the benefit of trial by jury >> where the >> maximum punishment for the offence is imprisonment for five years >> or a more severe punishment." This section of the Charter must be >> amended so that the "benefit of a trial by jury" is preserved and >> the clause >> "where the maximum punishment for the offence is imprisonment for five >> years or a more severe punishment" deleted. >> >> As well, Harper's Bill C-68 must be repealed. >> >> Yours in Tyranny, >> Joe Gingrich >> White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Sun, September 22, 2013 6:50 pm From: jyoung@aernet.ca Subject: Re: Len Miller Not at all, Clive. We've just not received a great deal of info concerning the subject. That in no way is an accusation of lying. Now, about that sleezy innuendo... ------Original Message------ From: Clive Edwards Subject: RE: Len Miller Sent: Sep 22, 2013 10:08 It seems jyoung is accusing Len Miller of lying. I am aquainted with Len personally and believe the information he has provided is complete and accurate. Anyone with different information should present such information, not dissemble behind sleezy inuendo. 45clive [Mod Note: I don't think so Clive. Mr. Young has not been with us that long (maybe a year) and probably does not realize how stalwart a citizen that Len is. BUZ] >-----Original Message----- >From: jyoung@aernet.ca >Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:06 PM >Subject: Re: Len Miller > Ask Len to be a bit more forthcoming with respect to details surrounding > his unfortunate predicament, and the tune may well change. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #940 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)