From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #959 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, October 4 2013 Volume 15 : Number 959 In this issue: Trappers rights being infringed upon by freemen: Hunter registry idea floated to help farmers protect crops CBC - New gun lab to aid Calgary police in arrests, ... What gun control really did. OC High School Apologizes After Forcing Student To Remove ... VIDEO: University of Calgary's new Firearms Association CBC - Problem bear fix needed before tragedy happens: MPP What have the Conservatives done for us lately? by Allan ... LORNE GUNTER: Freemen are now Nutbars in northern Alberta ... Freemen-on-the-Land group ignores eviction notice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, October 3, 2013 10:50 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Trappers rights being infringed upon by freemen: Trappers rights being infringed upon by freemen: Bildson 3 By Caryn Ceolin, Grande Prairie Daily Herald-Tribune - Thursday, October 3, 2013 5:54:27 MDT PM http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/2013/10/03/trappers-rights-being-infringed -upon-by-freemen-bildson The rights of the trappers whose cabin, approximately 80 km south of the city, has been occupied by an armed group claiming to be free-men-on-the-land, aren't being recognized by authorities, says Brian Bildson, president of the Grande Prairie Trappers Association. "It shouldn't take weeks or months to resolve. If this was your home and you called the RCMP they would react much more quickly," Bildson said. "I think it's somewhat discouraging that the rights of the trapper aren't being recognized as much as I think another citizen's property rights would be." Bildson, who knows one of the three trappers whose registered lines have been taken over, said the trappers have been working with authorities since May to get the freemen removed to no avail. "Somebody is violating somebody else's legal rights because we hold these trap lines under a legal lease. And it must be frustrating for him to have somebody come onto a piece of property that he built with his own hands and his own labour," said Bildson. "I know the ties that trappers have to their cabins - it's your sanctuary - and to go there and find strangers not only occupying it, but telling you that you no longer have a legal right to it, and doing improvements on that piece of land and threatening you - none of that is acceptable." Users of the wooded area, including recreationalists and those in the oil and gas industry, have since been advised to avoid the forest access road, following the land-claim dispute that has led to the armed threats and brandishing of weapons by the freemen. The piece of occupied land falls on the southern edge of the MD of Greenview's boarders, and according to Denise Thompson, communications officer for the MD, Greenview is aware of their presence within the municipality. "The lands in which these individuals are attempting to occupy are under provincial jurisdiction," she said. "Greenview will continue to work with the province and law officials to protect the lands and the public from any illegal actions involving this group." "I think it's ironic that they call themselves freemen," Bildson said. "They're using the very system that they hate or say isn't legal or moral, to try and justify these bogus claims their making. It's just this year's version of some more losers trying to suck off society." Caryn.ceolin@sunmedia.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 3, 2013 11:08 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Hunter registry idea floated to help farmers protect crops Hunter registry idea floated to help farmers protect crops Farmers would allow access to property to kill nuisance wildlife October 2, 2013 - 4:02pm BY IAN FAIRCLOUGH STAFF REPORTER http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1158062-hunter-registry-idea-floated -to-help-farmers-protect-crops A registry of hunters that could be accessed by farmers could help them deal with wildlife running rampant through their crops and livestock, the Nova Scotia Federation of Anglers and Hunters says. From bears mowing through corn, to deer in the orchards and blueberry fields, to coyotes, raccoons and mink raiding the chicken coop, animals can cause grief for farmers. And hunters say they are willing to help alleviate the problem. Tony Rodgers, the federation's executive director, said he has talked briefly with the Nova Scotia Federation of Agriculture about creating the registry. "They're not long-winded, formal negotiations or anything," Rodgers said recently. "But we've certainly said that as an option for solving a problem of nuisance wildlife I'm sure we could find hunters who would be willing to go in on properties and take care of that." Being able to go on private property would be a bonus for hunters looking to find areas where their prey would be close at hand, he said. It could also lead to relationship that would see hunters helping farmers protect their crops on an annual basis during the hunting season. Some people who work full time can only hunt on Saturdays. If they know they'll have one day in a spot where there is a better chance of getting a deer, they'll take it, Rodgers said. "Every hunter knows that a farmer and a land owner is his best friend, when you look at Nova Scotia and see that 75 per cent of the land is privately owned." Rodgers thinks the agriculture federation is keen on the hunter registry idea. "I think it comes down to the mechanics of how we go about doing it," he said. "We need to find farmers who are looking for help and then move from there to set up a registry to connect the farmers and the hunters." Henry Vissers, the agriculture federation's executive director, was out of the province and unavailable for comment. But Greg Gerrits of Elmridge Farms in Sheffield Mills, outside of Canning, sees merit in a registry. Gerrits and his family grow 60 varieties of vegetables on 100 hectares. They've had someone trapping and hunting raccoons on the farm for 25 years because they cause so much havoc in the sweet corn fields. "Bear have never been an issue with us and it has been a long time since deer caused us any trouble," Gerrits said. "But I think a registry like that is not a bad idea. That way, if you have a problem, there are people on a list interested in hunting this or that." He said it would also be handy for livestock farmers who have issues with coyotes. ----------------------- FOR OTHER FIREARMS & OUTDOORS NEWS SUBSCRIBE TO NFA DAILY MEDIA REPORTS E-MAIL: news@nfa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 3, 2013 11:13 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: CBC - New gun lab to aid Calgary police in arrests, ... ...convictions CBC - New gun lab to aid Calgary police in arrests, convictions Calgary police celebrate century of crime scene investigation with firearm lab opening CBC News Posted: Oct 02, 2013 7:49 PM MT Last Updated: Oct 03, 2013 9:11 PM MT http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/new-gun-lab-to-aid-calgary-police-in-a rrests-convictions-1.1876960 Calgary police unveiled a new tool to aid with crime scene investigation today by opening its new Forensic Firearms and Toolmark Lab. The centre is the first fully functional municipal firearms lab to be built in the past 65 years and it's only the second municipal lab of its kind in Canada. The firearms lab was made possible through funding from the provincial government and will reduce the turnaround time to process local crime scene evidence and obtain forensic results. Chief Rick Hanson says the growth of the forensics unit has assisted in arrests and convictions in Calgary. "The reality is there is no tougher job in policing than having to go to a scene where something bad has happened. It's not as glamorous as the CSI folks make it out to be on TV - it's hard slogging," he said. The Forensics Firearms and Toolmark Lab will save time by being able to process more results on site. The lab is housed in a customized 40-foot soundproof trailer in the parking lot of the Forensic Centre in southeast Calgary. Forensic scientist Darryl Barr says the new facility is a real improvement. "Prior to this facility we were restricted to examining only bullets and cartridge cases from shooting scenes and now we are able to do the full set of forensic analysis on firearms that are seized," he said. Calgary police also marked its 100th anniversary of it's first crime scene bureau, which opened in 1913 with one detective and constable. The officers were responsible for collecting evidence by taking photographs, filing descriptions and making identifications. DNA SAMPLES WANTED UPON ARREST Hanson said the new firearms lab will help Calgary police lead the way in forensic investigations, but he also wants officers to have the power to collect DNA samples at the same time they take fingerprints upon arrest. "At some point in time, the identification of criminals act will be modified - we hope in policing - so we can take DNA samples on arrest so we know that we truly have the right bad guy," he said. The federal government is considering expanding its authority to take DNA samples from arrested suspects. But Ian Savage, the president of the Calgary-based Criminal Defence Lawyers Association, says the government would be infringing on people's rights. "We're all entitled to be presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law, and the right not to have our personal privacy invaded by the police without proper cause," he said. Currently, Canadian law does allow for DNA samples to be taken from certain convicted individuals in a limited capacity. ------------------------- FOR OTHER FIREARMS & OUTDOORS NEWS SUBSCRIBE TO NFA DAILY MEDIA REPORTS E-MAIL: news@nfa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:54:35 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: What gun control really did. So, now we are bopping along with a law which will make the community safer? That NO ONE needs a gun . . just call the cops ? Actually someone had the gall to declare that the use of a gun for self defence would not only be frowned on, but the 'gun cops' would attend and find something to charge you with . . Bill Rose, Abbotsford . . home invaded , stabbed used HIS unloaded gun to pistol whip his attacker into submission . and the PD arrested her . . bleeding and whining about the old guy who attacked her . The PD then confiscated his only means of defence, and the firearms guy took away his other one. We never heard the court case, it seems the whole event hastened his death. To Ian Thomson, Port Colbourne Ont, firebombed with death threats, HE had the audacity to actually use his gun for what it was intended, by driving away the felons, and the PD CHARGED HIM. It cost him buckets of money to fight a case which was no case. Dennis Galloway, Poert Alberni BC, shop owner was attacked by a cockroach wit a 10 mm in a robbery. Dennis then retrieved HIS own gun and put 5 shots into the felon, ending his career and confining him to a wheelchair . . yet YET, the local musical ride people tried to have him charged with careless use, an action which the local crown quickly quashed. Dennis was a hero in Port. Alberni . . Dennis was awarded a bravery medal in a special ceremony, which I attended, and shook his hand . Now to Jack Gentles, BC senior, recovering stroke victim who had his gun stolen, ending up in a Calgary gang bangers car. Being registered the 'gun cops' knew who owned it and where he lived. Coquitlam RCMP attended with a Tach Team. fatally alarming Gentles who suicided. The case FOI was denied ' as it affected national security' Shades of Waco?? Brian Ward, Qualicum BC seems like he was targetted by zealous fuzz, and stripped of everything, guns, calendars, things which hunters keep . NO CHARGES ever laid, yet he had to use counsel to have his property returned in spite of 337 CCC. Brian had an early death as well . stress does terrible things to seniors. Seems like courts and today's cops haven't learned any of this. Jonathan Login . Baxter Ont, legall hunting ground hogs at the request of the farmer, was noticed by a newly arriving boys soccer practice. A dad saw the rifle and called Nottawasaga OPP, 'man with gun call' . the Comm Op could have asked ; ; ''what's he doing with it'' but didn't bother . . Four bailed out and sped to the farm as Login was returning having sheathed the rifle . They passed him as he was returning home . . HEY, THAT'S HIM . . a tire burning 'Uwie' and the cops arrived in his yard at the same time . . MP 5's, the strip take down and the illegal search resulting in yet another 'unsafe storage' charge . Cutting it short: Justice Jon Jo Douglas found the cops had severely abused Login's rights . . and fined them ONE POINT FIVE MILLION . . Oh, there are many many more. but I am sure you are catching my drift . Gun Control cost the lives of The Dagenais' and Ray Michaelson . and many others . . none of whom had a defence, since ( supra) using a firearm for defence somehow offended a member of government whose sworn duty is to protect citizens from harm . So HE placed it in the things which you must not do . Just 'Dial 911 . . and Die . So John Dixon capped it nicely when he posted: The Liberals' gun registry program was pointed at Kim Campbell, not crime. That's why it shot itself in the foot, says former justice adviser JOHN DIXON. The supreme irony of the gun registry battle is that the policy was selected because it would goad people who knew something about guns to public outrage. That is, it had a purely political purpose in the special context of a hard-fought election. The fact that it was bad policy was crucial to the specific political effect it was supposed to deliver. And so we saw demonstrations by middle-aged firearm owners, family men whose first reflex was to respect the laws of the land. This group's political alienation is a far greater loss than the $200-million that have been wasted so far. The creation of this new criminal class -- the ultimate triumph of negative political alchemy -- may be the worst, and most enduring product of the gun registry culture war. John Dixon is a hunter, and president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association. From 1991 to 1992, he was adviser to then-deputy minister of justice John Tait. next posting soon . Len 144 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:16:26 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: OC High School Apologizes After Forcing Student To Remove ... ...NRA T-Shirt http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/10/03/oc-high-school-apologizes-after-forcing-student-to-remove-nra-t-shirt/ OC High School Apologizes After Forcing Student To Remove NRA T-Shirt October 3, 2013 ANAHEIM HILLS (CBSLA.com) - A high school principal has apologized for forcing a 16-year-old student to remove her National Rifle Association shirt last month. Haley Bullwinkle, a sophomore at Canyon High School, said she was asked to change or face suspension because her T-shirt, which featured a buck, an American flag, and a hunter's silhouette, violated the school's dress code and promoted gun violence. Bullwinkle's father, Jed, emailed the school's principal, Kimberly Fricker, about the situation. Fricker responded saying that the gun on the shirt wasn't allowed. The principal, however, had a change of heart on Thursday. Bullwinke's mother, Stephanie, said Fricker called her and said the teen can wear her shirt. "She was very, very apologetic. She said they're definitely going to be talking to the staff, training their staff on what is appropriate conduct and what is not. And that (Haley) can wear the shirt, so very happy. It was nice to hear from her," said Stephanie. "I feel a bit proud, actually, that I stood up for my rights, and I feel very happy at the outcome," Bullwinkle said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, October 4, 2013 8:30 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: VIDEO: University of Calgary's new Firearms Association VIDEO: Student gun club Original Air Date: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 http://www.albertaprimetime.com/Stories.aspx?pd=5635 Gun enthusiasts are proponents of gun safety and consider it to be a fun hobby, just like any other, but the University of Calgary's new Firearms Association is finding that a university is a difficult, controversial place to hold a gun club. We're joined by: Henry Lung, University of Calgary Firearms Association; Ben Cannon, U of C Students' Union; Delano Civitarese, University of Calgary Firearms Association; and Kevin Cameron, Canadian Centre for Threat Assessment and Trauma Response. ----------------------------- FOR OTHER FIREARMS & OUTDOORS NEWS SUBSCRIBE TO NFA DAILY MEDIA REPORTS E-MAIL: news@nfa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, October 4, 2013 8:58 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: CBC - Problem bear fix needed before tragedy happens: MPP CBC - Problem bear fix needed before tragedy happens: MPP Timiskaming-Cochrane MPP John Vanthof says human-bear encounters getting harder to ignore CBC News Posted: Oct 03, 2013 2:52 PM ET Last Updated: Oct 03, 2013 2:55 PM ET http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/problem-bear-fix-needed-before-tragedy -happens-mpp-1.1894669 A northeastern MPP is speaking up about problem bears, saying it's not just an issue in northern Ontario. Timiskaming-Cochrane MPP John Vanthof raised the question at Queen's Park Thursday, and pointed to a recent bear encounter that happened in Peterborough, east of Toronto. Vanthof said changes need to happen before tragedy occurs. "Bear attacks are getting harder and harder to ignore as the minister has acknowledged,' Vanthof said. "Will it take a bear on the south lawn of Queen's Park to force the ministry to do its job?" Minister of Natural Resources David Orazietti acknowledged there have been a number of human and bear interactions in the province this year, and added Liberal MPPs are concerned about problem bears as well. "We are working with our ministry officials to develop a plan that will see a more effective response when it comes to nuisance bear issues in the province of Ontario, as this issue has been raised by members of the [opposition]," Orazietti said. Recently, Thunder Bay MPP Bill Mauro announced plans to introduce a private members bill for more bear hunting options. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/thunder-bay-mpp-looks-to-expand-be ar-hunt-1.1869145 ------------------------ FOR OTHER FIREARMS & OUTDOORS NEWS SUBSCRIBE TO NFA DAILY MEDIA REPORTS E-MAIL: news@nfa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, October 4, 2013 9:17 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: What have the Conservatives done for us lately? by Allan ... ...Rostic NOTE: Forwarded with the permission of the author. What have the Conservatives done for us lately? by Allan Rostic, President, The Sporting Clubs of Niagara - August Newsletter http://www.thesportingclubsofniagara.com/ Two short years. That's all the time they have left before the 2015 federal election. Can the now "conservatives-in-name-only" usher in enough legislation over the next two years to satisfy their base voters? I'm going to say no for one simple reason: Bill C19, the legislation that ended the long gun registry says it all. The Sporting Clubs of Niagara is a grass roots pro-gun organization and along with hundreds of thousands of gun owners across Canada, wanted the Conservative Party of Canada [CPC] to end the Liberals gun control agenda, codified in Bill C68. That's why we supported them. However, legislation to end or modify Bill C68 has never come up in a Throne Speech. Instead, the CPC allowed two courageous MP's to bring forward private members bills, Bill C301 & Bill C391, to address some aspects of gun control legislation. Both private members bills went down to defeat. Hamstrung in the past as a minority government, a newly elected majority CPC government [2011] could [should!] bring in new audacious legislation to address C68 and then coast to an easy victory in 2015 with the support of gun owners. Or so we thought. Instead, the CPC hid behind the failed private members bills and reluctantly pushed through Bill C19 that ended the high spending, completely ineffective long gun registry. It took them 18 months to accomplish that. Bill C68 was ignored or sidelined. Instead of a bold gusty conservative agenda, the now "conservatives-in-name-only party" have frittered away 3 years and become the party that they bitterly complained about in opposition in 2005. What happened to ending corporate welfare handouts and subsidies, what happened to ending "supply management" schemes, what happened to de-funding the CBC, what happened to privatizing the EDC, CDC, FCC, CMHC and a host of other government agencies that Canadian taxpayers shouldn't have to support? What happened to eliminating the federal deficit and tax reform to lower the taxes Canadians are forced to pay? What happened to reigning in the out-of-control RCMP? Reforming the Senate? WTF? And what happened to the CPC promise to kill Bill C68? Is it possible to end Bill C68 and re-write something that will make gun owners happy in two years? Doubtful. 2015 will be a legislative washout due to electioneering, fundraising, and showcasing their record to voters. That leaves what's left of 2013 & 2014. Sticking to their conservative roots and keeping their core voters happy, the CPC might have had an easy go of it in 2015. They had the time and the votes to do it. The now "conservatives-in-name-only" have alienated so many core conservatives that not only will these same CPC party supporters not give any money and campaign support for the 2015 election, these betrayed core conservatives could pull a Mitt Romney, and just not show up at all at the voting booth in 2015! Can Harper and company afford to ignore gun owners? Do they have the guts to make it right? So again, what have the Conservatives done for gun owners lately? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, October 4, 2013 9:25 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: LORNE GUNTER: Freemen are now Nutbars in northern Alberta ... ...woods LORNE GUNTER: Freemen are now Nutbars in northern Alberta woods If there is any justice, police will soon move in and evict these freeloaders (not freemen) BY LORNE GUNTER | QMI AGENCY - 8:53 am, October 4th, 2013 http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/10/20131004- 085300.html Freemen-on-the-land? How about Nutbars-in-the-woods? Once again the kookiness of the self-styled Freeman movement is on display, this time in the boreal forests 80 km south and east of Grande Prairie. There, a group claiming to be "freemen" - sovereign individuals who reject all taxes, any laws they find inconvenient and the repayment of personal debts - is squatting in the cabin of an unnamed trapper and poaching on the registered traplines of the cabin owner and two other professional trappers. If there is any justice, police will soon move in and evict these freeloaders (not freemen) and defend the trappers' property rights just as they (eventually) did in Calgary last week. There they punted a wacked-out Freeman, Mario Antonacci (a.k.a. Andreas Pirelli) from a duplex he was renting from a senior, Rebekah Caverhill, after he declared the unit the "embassy" of his sovereign state and refused to pay rent. I understand the powerlessness and frustration that leads some individuals to believe they can run away from big governments and courts, lawyers and the taxman. Governments now believe they have the right to dictate every aspect of our lives; not just our interaction with others, but also the choices we make for ourselves and families. From what we should believe to what we may and may not put in our mouths, government agents and favoured interest groups feel they have the right to decide what is best for us. Pour on that fire the gasoline of a reasonable sounding conspiracy theory about the illegality of taxes, (especially the income tax) and you can see how some people might be seduced by the idea that they can escape the excesses of the modern state by declaring themselves independent individuals. But just as with the anti-tax movement in the 1990s (which had convinced itself the Constitution forbid Ottawa from levelling an income tax), the Freemen's justifications for their actions is a jumble of self-taught legal misinterpretations and wishful thinking. The ridiculousness and hypocrisy of the Freeman philosophy is never more apparent than in its members' utter disregard for other people's property. They claim to believe the only laws that can be morally enforced are the law of contract and the common law. Okay, I'm enough of a libertarian that I can buy that. But the common law against trespassing would strictly prohibit the squatting the Freemen are doing in the woods near Grande Prairie. Moreover, what contract do they have with the trapper whose cabin they are occupying without his permission? Indeed, far from respecting the trapper's property, the current bunch of fringe actors have apparently threatened the rightful owner with guns should he try to take his property back. And as we learned in the Calgary case, as soon property owners attempt to reclaim their land or homes, Freemen run straight to the courts - the courts of the state they refuse to recognize because it lacks moral legitimacy. Freemen want to have it both ways: Free to ignore laws they dislike, while remaining free to drag others though the legal process when it suits them. As convincing as they may sound, they're delusional goofs. But they do pose a very practical threat. The area they are currently occupying is full of hardworking Albertans in the oil and gas and forestry industries. Soon, too, it will be even fuller when law-abiding Albertans begin hunting there. For the safety of those Albertans who are going about their legal businesses and recreation in the area, police must act quickly to end the Freeman's occupation of the trapper's cabin and send a message to other cranks to avoid similar action. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, October 4, 2013 9:28 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Freemen-on-the-Land group ignores eviction notice Freemen-on-the-Land group ignores eviction notice from provincial land near Grande Prairie Officials were unclear if the group is now illegally living in a trapper's cabin. BY RYAN CORMIER, EDMONTON JOURNAL OCTOBER 4, 2013 8:33 AM http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Freemen+Land+group+ignores+eviction+notice+from/8995077/story.html LORNE GUNTER: Freemen are now Nutbars in northern Alberta woods If there is any justice, police will soon move in and evict these freeloaders (not freemen) BY LORNE GUNTER | QMI AGENCY - 8:53 am, October 4th, 2013 http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/10/20131004-085300.html ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #959 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)