From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #965 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, October 8 2013 Volume 15 : Number 965 In this issue: STAY INFORMED: SUBSCRIBE TO CSSA & NFA NEWS FEEDS Small Arms Survey: Geospatial technologies and crime in ... Since when is "civil disobedience" justification for police ... RE: "This shouldn't be a mystery" Digest V15 #954 Edmonton air-gun range targets recreational shooters Why Canada Should Start Gunning for the Arms Trade Treaty By ... CTV - "Pixels for pistols" starts today CANADIAN FIREARMS JOURNAL - DECEMBER 2012 ISSUE "Officers call for stronger laws to protect police dogs ... "Woman sentenced in Saskatoon standoff" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, October 7, 2013 2:30 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: STAY INFORMED: SUBSCRIBE TO CSSA & NFA NEWS FEEDS FIREARMS & OUTDOORS NEWS SUBSCRIBE TO NFA DAILY MEDIA REPORTS E-MAIL: news@nfa.ca CANADA'S NATIONAL FIREARMS ASSOCIATION - DAILY MEDIA REPORT - OCTOBER 7, 2013 • Bullies behind High River - Sun News Network • Arms trade treaty fraught with problems - Opinion - Times Colonist • Times Colonist • Snow White takes aim for charity • Antique and gun show a hit for passionate collectors • Cancer fundraiser at Barrie Gun Club • Op-Ed: A wolf hunter's perspective and the solution to the debate ... • Bear hunt ban doesn't add up • Ottawa police to begin cameras-for-guns amnesty • Guns on campus: Leaders, readers react to state school weapons law changes CANADIAN SHOOTING SPORTS ASSOCIATION / CANADIAN INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION TEAM CSSA E-NEWS - October 7, 2013 To subscribe to the CSSA-CILA E-NEWS, send email to: cssa-cila-e-news-subscribe@lists.cssa-cila.org or visit http://lists.cssa-cila.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cssa-cila-e-news . • COMMENTARY: MINISTER BAIRD SHOWS FORESIGHT AND EXPERIENCE ON U.N. ARMS TREATY • SHOOTING CLUB HELPS FOOD BANK • CSSA REGIONAL DIRECTOR IS NEW MOMMY • EDITORIAL GULPS THE LEFT-WING BAIT • FORMER IGGY AIDE SAYS CANADA "EMBARRASSING" AT UN • CANADA'S "FIREARMS LOBBY" APPROVES BAIRD DECISION SO FAR • OBAMA FINALLY LISTENING TO NRA SOLUTION? • SAY WHAT? OTTAWA POLICE CLAIM HALF OF STREET GUNS STOLEN FROM HOMES • CSSA RESPONDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 7, 2013 4:43 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Small Arms Survey: Geospatial technologies and crime in ... ...Jamaica From: Small Arms Survey [mailto:news@smallarmssurvey.org] Sent: October-07-13 5:32 AM Subject: Geospatial technologies and crime in Jamaica Geospatial technologies—ranging from GPS hardware to GIS software—are being used to fight crime in Jamaica. Analysts can use these tools to overlay various types of data—such as information about socio-economic conditions or infrastructure—on maps showing the incidence of crime, thereby shedding light on the dynamics at work. An improved understanding can lead to better crime-fighting policies and activities. Jamaica’s high rates of crime and violence weigh heavily on the country. Crime has a negative impact on the economy, on society, and on health. Policy-makers increasingly recognize that enhancing human security is necessary for Jamaica’s larger social and economic development. Geospatial Technologies and Crime: The Jamaican Experience is a new Small Arms Survey Issue Brief that explains how the security sector can better use technology to maximize the benefits of limited resources, while scaling up the success rate of crime prevention initiatives. Geospatial Technologies and Crime describes the various modes and uses of geospatial technology, and how these approaches have moved beyond routine mapping to offer a deeper understanding of the dynamics of crime. The Issue Brief examines the use of geospatial tools and analysis within Jamaica in three application areas: crime and security analysis; community profiles; and building social datasets to provide spatial analysis. It shows how geospatial technology is being used in crime control applications on a community scale, enabling the development of crime reduction initiatives based on socio-economic planning. This Issue Brief is published by the Small Arms Survey in support of the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence and Development, a high-level diplomatic initiative signed by 112 states to date, designed to support states and civil society to achieve measurable reductions in the global burden of armed violence by 2015 and beyond. • Download Geospatial Technologies and Crime: The Jamaican Experience: www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/G-Issue-briefs/SAS-AV-IB3-Geospatial-tech-jamaica.pdf ________________________________________ • More on the impact of armed violence on development: www.smallarmssurvey.org/?impact-on-development • More on non-conflict armed violence: www.smallarmssurvey.org/?non-conflict-armed-violence • More on the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence and Development: www.genevadeclaration.org Follow the Small Arms Survey: • Facebook: www.facebook.com/SmallArmsSurvey (click 'Like') • twitter: www.twitter.com/SmallArmsSurvey • Podcasts: www.smallarmssurvey.org/podcasts NB Some readers have reported that their firewall blocks links from these messages. If you aren’t able to follow these links please copy the URL text and paste it directly into your browser. This message is also available online at: www.smallarmssurvey.org/?highlight-av-ib3 Small Arms Survey | Avenue Blanc 47 | Geneva, GE 1202, Switzerland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 17:14:50 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: Since when is "civil disobedience" justification for police ... ...breaking the law? The bottom line excuse admitted to by the RCMP for the High River Debacle, that they were, "threatened with civil disobedience if one individual wasn't let home within 24 hours" shows the absolute disrespect our national police force has for our civil rights. By definition, "civil disobedience" is non-violent and legal and the first step in asking the courts to resolve the conflict between the rights of citizens and the overstepping of bounds by government and the police. It is when civil disobedience is not allowed that a resort to violence usually occurs. Are the RCMP by their actions and words telling us they don't support civil solutions to problems arising between citizens and the state? Bruce Montague tried civil disobedience as the only way to bring the constitutional concerns he (and many others) had about the Firearms Act before the courts. He was treated shabbily to say the least. The globalist summits that have taken place in Canada have resembled third world events given the out of control policing that was either allowed or encourage. Numerous firearms owners in Canada, including Len Miller of Vancouver, have been treated like dirt by police and government, in Len's case guns seized and destroyed without any charges laid, after police took sides in a civil matter. where Len was invoking his civil right to not have a smart meter installed on his property against his wishes. Are the RCMP telling us something? Is civil disobedience a thing of the past in this new age of globalism, mercantilism, collectivism and authoritarianism ? Are we being told, in effect, "move along. Nothing to see here. Shut up, drink your beer and watch your televised hockey?" http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/09/30/no-excuses-for-high-river-gun-seizures "After a news conference he held on June 23, Griffiths claims "an individual came up to me behind the cameras . and said there will be civil disobedience if you don't let us back in 24 hours." Griffiths insists the frustrated resident threatened "we will storm the barricade, we will storm the RCMP." "Griffiths admitted that after that incident he was happy "the RCMP would be focused on public safety and be concerned about firearms." "So the RCMP kicked down 1,900 doors because one overheated guy told Griffiths there would be civil disobedience? "In order for that type of overreaction to seem reasonable to those who perpetrated it, they have to be pre-convinced that ordinary people shouldn't have guns in the first place." 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 17:25:00 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: "This shouldn't be a mystery" Digest V15 #954 LJF is right about the issue of terrorism. We must defend ourselves. However, given the black flag nature of 9/11 (how about tower 7, Larry? Israelis or Americans? Jews or Christians? it sure as hell wasn't Muslims) we must not only defend ourselves against those our governments have outraged, we must defend ourselves against our own governments. Or hadn't you noticed the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the American police state have jurisdiction in Canada? Yes, we need to acknowledge ideology, including our own. We must acknowledge that we have been dragged into this vipers nest by those we trusted and supported. >There have 21,677 Islamist terror attacks post 9/11, and the rate is increasing. it's an issue that can be ignored. It requires study and understanding. It isn't easy at first to understand a >system of values so contradictory to our own. >For those into analysis, (Maj.) Steve Couglin has a series of lectures on YouTube which show how the acts of jihadis worldwide relates directly to their ideology. 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 7, 2013 10:29 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Edmonton air-gun range targets recreational shooters Edmonton air-gun range targets recreational shooters By Bill Mah, Edmonton Journal October 7, 2013 http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Edmonton+range+targets+recreational+ shooter/9008425/story.html EDMONTON - Most of the customers at Edmonton's newest shooting range have never fired a gun before, nor do they want to. If that sounds confusing, it's only because Stormbringer Air-Gun Range and Supply rents air guns that use compressed air to fire pellets instead of bullets. "Ninety per cent of what we have here are people who have never shot a firearm in their life and have no interest in shooting a conventional firearm, but just want to have a lot of fun shooting targets," said Daryl Hunter, CEO of Stormbringer. When he opened the facility in June, at 9340 - 34th Avenue NW, he expected his customers to be mostly males aged 14 to 44. But he is finding that about half his clientele are female. "We've had shooters as young as five come in. We've had lots of families come in and birthday parties, stags and corporate events." With Stormbringer, he hopes to tap into people's love for recreational shooting, as evidenced by the popularity of laser tag, paintball and first-person shooter video games, but without the expense and restrictions of conventional firearms. "A lot of those are player versus player things. We're more about the marksmanship, the actual firearms handling, the safety and enjoying it for fun," Hunter said. "When people walk out, the vast majority of them, their heads are cracking in half with smiles. We look at ourselves more as an entertainment venue, with firearms." Hunter, a former insurance salesman and manager who began shooting conventional firearms as a kid, believes an airguns-only range is new to Canada and if the concept is successful, he hopes to franchise the model. He got the idea from watching Top Shot, a History Channel reality-TV shooting competition. "Most of the stuff they do, you just can't do with the firearms regulations we have in Canada, but with airguns, which are considered unregulated firearms, we can replicate a whole lot of that. I found myself in a position where I had a career change and I wanted to do something different that built on my business experience and my passion for firearms." Shooters can choose from a variety of replica guns and targets, including paper and reactive steel biathlon-style targets. There's a 10-metre practice range and a competition range. Prices start at $29.99 for range admission, safety orientation, 100 pellets and access to guns. bmah@edmontonjournal.com twitter.com/mahspace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 7, 2013 10:32 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Why Canada Should Start Gunning for the Arms Trade Treaty By ... ...Marc Garneau Why Canada Should Start Gunning for the Arms Trade Treaty By Marc Garneau, Liberal MP, Westmount--Ville-Marie - Posted: 10/07/2013 2:22 pm http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/marc-garneau/arms-trade-treaty_b_4058930.html The senseless attack on Nairobi's Westgate Mall which killed many, including Canadians Annemarie Desloges and Naguib Damji, demonstrates yet again that no nation and no individual is immune to the devastating impact of terrorism. The threat of terror requires a multifaceted response. There is no single measure that will fully address it, but there is a general understanding by the international community that preventing the illegal flow of weapons to terror groups and criminals is a major step in the right direction. There has been too much violence against innocent civilians by those who are able to access illegal arms far too easily. Canadians know that if we really want to help countries -- like Somalia and Kenya -- prevent civilian deaths like those in Nairobi, then one of the single most constructive steps we can take is to sign the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), currently making its way through international ratification. This treaty will establish regulations to control the transfer of conventional weapons and regulate arms brokers. It also explicitly interdicts the transfer or sale of weapons if it breaks arms embargoes or if it is aimed at perpetuating acts of genocide, war crimes or crimes against humanity. More than 100 countries -- including the United States -- have already signed the treaty, so why is Canada not doing the same? Why is the Canadian government making claims about a possible infringement on the rights of domestic gun owners when other countries are not -- especially when the treaty's preamble states clearly that the ATT is not aimed at the sale of arms for legitimate purposes from one country to another? It is quite clear that Minister Baird and this government are responding to political pressure from the Canadian gun lobby, which is attempting to raise unjustified fears of a gun registry revival and complaining that the ATT may "potentially" raise prices and increase paperwork on firearms sold domestically for legitimate purposes. The Government of Canada knows that signing the UN Arms Trade Treaty will save lives by stopping the illegal flow of small arms. Minister Baird is faced with a choice then: does he take a meaningful step to prevent carnage like the Nairobi attacks or does he bow to the domestic gun lobby and their fallacious claims? Sadly, given this government's approach to such issues, I suspect we know the answer to these questions. Canada is likely to remain one of the laggards in the process to make the ATT a binding international treaty. But it does not have to be this way. There was a time when Canada showed leadership on the world stage. Our principled -- and bi-partisan -- approach helped rid the world of landmines, created the International Criminal Court and led the fight against apartheid. Unfortunately, it appears that so long as the Harper Conservatives are in power those days are long behind us. Canada's policy will be guided by the "principles" of partisan interests and fundraising opportunities. Our Foreign Minister will continue speaking to a near empty room when he deigns to visit the United Nations -- the emptiness of the room matching his government's lack of action. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 7, 2013 10:36 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: CTV - "Pixels for pistols" starts today CTV - "Pixels for pistols" starts today Ottawa police point to targeted break and enters as a good reason to get rid of your unused firearm. Kate Eggins, CTV Ottawa - Last Updated Monday, October 7, 2013 5:45PM EDT http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/pixels-for-pistols-starts-today-1.1483823 Ottawa police is partnering with Henry's photography for a program dubbed 'pixels for pistols.' Any Ottawa resident who surrenders a working firearm that police determine is not a crime gun - will receive a free digital camera from Henry's. On the first day of the program Ottawa police say they have had 39 calls and emails from Ottawa residents who want to take part. "During the amnesty, unlicensed or improperly stored firearms can be turned in without fear of charges," says Charles Bordeleau, Ottawa's police chief. Ottawa police say there's been a nasty side effect to tightened border security. While it's more difficult to smuggle a gun into Canada, criminals are now targeting homes where they know there are firearms. "We are concerned that legitimate gun owners are going to have theft from house, break and enter from house and we know that's happening in places across Ontario, " says Staff Sergeant Mark Patterson, with the Guns and Gangs unit. Ottawa police point to targeted break and enters as a good reason to get rid of your unused firearm. The service says it's a good way to get rid of the firearm gathering dust in your attic. "We don't think criminals will be handing guns in but we do think pixels for pistols will reduce guns in community, " says Chief Bordeleau. Henry's launched this program after one of its Toronto stores was robbed at gunpoint. 'Pixels for Pistols' has taken place in 3 other Canadian cities. In each city, the program brought in record hauls. Toronto police netted 1897 firearms, in Halifax more than 1000 firearms were turned in and in Winnipeg 1600 guns were collected. That's almost 4500 firearms collected. The program runs from October 7th to the 20th. If you want to turn over a firearm, contact Ottawa police at 613-236-1222 extension 7300 or email pixelsforpistols@ottawapolice.ca. Ottawa police will come to your home to collect the firearm. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 7, 2013 11:00 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: CANADIAN FIREARMS JOURNAL - DECEMBER 2012 ISSUE CANADIAN FIREARMS JOURNAL - DECEMBER 2012 ISSUE (now available free on-line) https://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/CFJ%20Nov-Dec%202012%20WEB.pdf Inside This Issue: . The Rossi Rand Hand is "Wild West Tech" - Norman Gray . Cooey - A Canadian Icon - G. Scott Jamieson . The Casting Bench: Sharpshooter USA Buckshot Molds - Sean G. Penney . Shooting the Legends - Jeff Helsdon . Preserving Our Firearms Heritage - Gary K. Kangas, Sarah Johnston & Branko Diklitch . Politics and Guns - Sean G. Penney . From The NFA Bookshelf - Wm. R. Rantz . Guns n' Gear - Al Voth . Western Lawman - Sheriff Pat Garrett - Part II - Jesse L. "Wolf" Hardin . The International Front - Gary Mauser . From the Editor's Desk - Sean G. Penney . President's Message - Sheldon Clare . Vice President's Column - Blair Hagen . Letters to the Editor ---------------------------- CANADIAN FIREARMS JOURNAL Want to get the very latest issues delivered to your home or business? Become a member now and get 6 issues of the Canadian Firearms Journal plus 6 issues of Canada's Outdoor Sportman Magazines. More benefits to being a member here! All this, for a little as $35.00 / year! Get the stories and information you need by joining today. Click here: https://nfa.ca/members ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 23:21:51 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Officers call for stronger laws to protect police dogs ... ...after Edmonton K9 killed" I like dogs, and especially German Shepherd breeds, but they are not people. We use them in part because of that fact. Adding another charge is meaningless when the sentences are so light for serious offenses and without consecutive sentencing. The smaller charges have no real effect except to increase the cost of both the prosecution and the defence. Both of whom are often paid for by the public. They look like something designed for a plea bargain to get the miscreant back out onto the street before he's too old to be a public menace again. ========================= ========================= ====== Officers call for stronger laws to protect police dogs after Edmonton K9 killed By Tim Cook, The Canadian Press October 7, 2013 Quanto the police dog is shown in an Edmonton Police Service handout photo. Quanto has died after being slashed while helping to capture a suspect involved in a pursuit. THE CANADIAN PRESS/HO-Edmonton Police Service EDMONTON - Edmonton police say there needs to be a special criminal law to protect animals that work with officers after one of their service dogs was killed by a fleeing suspect. Police say Quanto, a German shepherd with four years of decorated service and more than 100 arrests to his name, was stabbed repeatedly Monday as he and his handler, Const. Matt Williamson, tried to take down a man who had fled a car with stolen plates. Paul Joseph Vukmavich, 27, faces charges including possession of stolen property, dangerous driving, criminal flight and resisting arrest. But when it comes to the death of the dog, Troy Carriere, acting staff-sergeant of the Edmonton police canine unit, said cruelty to an animal is the strongest charge that can be laid. "It's been our intent to have that changed," Carriere said. "We need to adjust the Criminal Code at some point in time and this is obviously a good time to do that." Sgt. Murray Pollock, head of the Calgary police canine unit and a director with the Canadian Police Canine Association, said the protection of police dogs in the Criminal Code is an issue officers have wanted to see addressed for quite some time. Some provinces have laws protecting services dogs. A section of Saskatchewan's Animal Protection Act, for example, carries a penalty of up to two years in jail for anyone who harms a service dog, which includes dogs working with police. Penalties for animal cruelty in the Criminal Code were recently increased, with the maximum sentence being five years behind bars. But Pollock said a Criminal Code section dealing with service dogs, which would be applicable across Canada, would make for a much stronger deterrent. "Absolutely. That's where we would like to go," he said. "In a case like Edmonton today, they would be facing the most serious of charges, not dissimilar to assaulting a police office — it's what we would like to see. We believe strongly that our dogs are police officers." A private member's bill proposing an amendment to the Criminal Code was introduced by Ontario Conservative MP Costas Menegakis earlier this year. It says anyone "who knowingly or recklessly poisons, injures or kills a law enforcement animal," including a horse or dog, could be subject to the same five-year maximum sentence. "We are aware of a Conservative private member's bill being proposed on this topic and I'm personally very supportive and look forward to more discussion on this issue," federal Justice Minister Peter MacKay said in an email Monday. Williamson and Quanto were called to a report of a stolen vehicle shortly after 5 a.m. The vehicle fled, but quickly crashed into the median in front of a gas station near the city's downtown. Police said the driver ran. Quanto was sent after him and was stabbed. Williamson rushed the dog to the emergency veterinary clinic where the animal was pronounced dead. The suspect dropped the knife when other officers arrived and he was arrested. Police said Vukmavich was already wanted on charges of armed robbery in both Winnipeg and Thunder Bay, Ont. Quanto is the fifth Edmonton police dog to die in the line of duty. A police dog named Caesar was the last animal killed in 1998. In 2010, Court of Queen's Bench Justice Eric Macklin scolded Edmonton police for using excessive force when they shot a man, Kirk Steele, four times after he stabbed a police dog. Macklin called the shooting "an unconscionable use of excessive and aggressive force in the circumstances." Both Steele and the dog, Wizzard, survived and a disciplinary charge of unnecessary use of force against the handler, Staff-Sgt. Bruce Edwards, was dismissed. Quanto, who placed third in a recent Canadian Police Canine Association competition in Regina, did what he was supposed to do Monday morning, Carrier said. "There's no question that had he not been deployed to apprehend this subject, who was highly motivated to get away, we most likely would have seen one of our own members hurt or killed," Carriere said. "He made the ultimate sacrifice. That was his job and he did it well." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 23:37:19 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Woman sentenced in Saskatoon standoff" Somehow, I can think of at least two reasons why this woman should not be even allowed to enter nursing school. Endangering the public and drug use. Consorting with drug dealers makes three. a stinging slap on the wrist, won't have any sobering effect on her future behaviour. An entire justice industry depends on serial criminal behaviour like this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ http://www.newstalk650.com/story/woman-sentenced-saskatoon-standoff/136929 Woman sentenced in Saskatoon standoff Tried hiding fugitive boyfriend during police chase Reported by Bre McAdam First Posted: Oct 7, 2013 3:08pm Change text size: + - A Saskatoon woman who led police on a wild chase leading up to a standoff last Wednesday has been sentenced for dangerous driving and evading police. Kaitlyn Nicole Daniels, 20, pleaded guilty to the charges Monday in Saskatoon Provincial Court. Court heard it stems from an incident on Oct. 2, when Daniels was driving with her 26-year-old boyfriend Jason Heaton, a fugitive wanted on several drug charges, on the city's east side. Police attempted to stop the vehicle on 14th Street East between 7 and 7:30 a.m. after getting information that Heaton was inside. Daniels refused to pull over, at one point running a red light at the intersection of Acadia Drive and 8th Street East said Crown prosecutor Frank Impey. That caused police to call off the chase, but officers were able to locate the vehicle at a home in the 400 block of 3rd Avenue North later that day. Impey said it resulted in a lengthy stand-off with the Emergency Response Team, but that Daniels voluntarily walked out hours before Heaton. Court heard she had been using methamphetamine that day, but it was unclear whether she had taken it before or after the car chase. Impey also said she appeared to brag to a police officer that at one point she had gotten up to 160 km/hr. The Crown argued for 60 days in jail and a one-year driving ban, citing the fact that Daniels was deliberately hiding a fugitive. The defense said Daniels "did this out of love" for Heaton, noting how she had co-operated with police. Judge Albert Lavoie took the woman's young age and the fact that she was planning to enter a nursing program in June into consideration when handing down his sentence. Although he was considering a six-month jail term and two-year driving ban prior to arguments, Lavoie sentenced Daniels to 45 days in jail, a one-year driving ban and 10 months probation including having no contact with Heaton. "This isn't a video game we are playing in real-time life," Lavoie said, referring to Daniels' dangerous driving. "It wasn't a bad decision, it was criminal." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #965 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)