From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #211 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, April 3 2014 Volume 16 : Number 211 In this issue: Brian Lilley interviews P.M. Stephen Harper, reflecting on ... "Convicted Keeseekoose First Nation murderer sentenced" "...Brit. sniper killed six Taliban insurgents with a single ... Tests: 4 more workers contaminated at NM nuke dump Man who shot at White House gets 25 years Native occupation payoff lands in tax court (property ... A message from Saskatchewan's RCMP DIY Shotguns (Video) | Survival Fw: Washington new shooting regulations Re: slap on the wrist- Digest V16 #190 Re: RCMP hype re: non-assault rifles Re: CBC: Supreme Court rules in favour of prisoners ... "B.C.'s expanded spring grizzly hunt opens" CANADA FREE PRESS: Pray the RCMP don't look after your town ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 23:13:25 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Brian Lilley interviews P.M. Stephen Harper, reflecting on ... ...the Afghan Mission http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/after-afghanistan/3415961884001#3415640874001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 23:46:09 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Convicted Keeseekoose First Nation murderer sentenced" Convicted Keeseekoose First Nation murderer sentenced Tania Quewezance will serve 3 years, 8 months minus time served Reported by Andrew Shepherd First Posted: Mar 31, 2014 7:10pm Change text size: + - The woman found guilty of second degree murder in the death of a 35-year-old man on the Keeseekoose First Nation has been sentenced. Tania Quewezance, 39, will serve three years in prison for the murder which happened on June 22, 2013. She was handed a sentence of three years, eight months but that is reduced down to three years for the eight months served during the trial. The victim, from Runnymede, knew Quewezance and was found dead in a residence on the Keeseekoose First Nation after police were called early that morning. =============================================================== 3 yrs 8th months for 2nd degree murder, wow that is so harsh, since at 2/3 rds, which here will be 2 years in prison, this convict will be eligible for mandatory parole. (satire mode off) Of course that would be the same sentence as the 3 yr. minimum sentence for simple possession of a handgun without a P.A.L., without Registration and without harming any person and without any intention to commit criminal violence. "What is wrong with this picture?, Mr. Speaker. Could the brain trusts on both the government and Opposition side of the house address the moral and political injustice currently embedded into Canada's Criminal Code? Millions of citizens would like to hear their reasoning on this prior to the next federal election." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 00:06:36 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "...Brit. sniper killed six Taliban insurgents with a single ... ...bullet from 850 metres..." N.P. Talk about a "reactive" target! http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/31/how-a-20-year-old-british-sniper-killed-six-taliban-insurgents-with-a-single-bullet-from-850-metres-away/ http://www.eliteukforces.info/weapons/l115a3-long-range-rifle/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 08:56:24 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Tests: 4 more workers contaminated at NM nuke dump http://news.yahoo.com/tests-4-more-workers-contaminated-232452411.html Tests: 4 more workers contaminated at NM nuke dump Energy Department officials confirm 4 more workers contaminated at New Mexico nuclear dump CARLSBAD, N.M. (AP) -- The Department of Energy says tests show four more workers were contaminated with low levels of radiation during a leak at federal government's underground nuclear waste dump. Officials also said Monday that they're planning to get a crew underground Tuesday for the first time since the Valentine's Day accident at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant in southeastern New Mexico. The DOE says a total of 21 workers received low doses of radiation, all well below levels deemed unsafe. On Tuesday, the DOE said it plans to send a team of team of eight experts into the half-mile deep mine to begin setting up bases from which they can start investigating what caused the leak. The dump is the nation's only permanent underground repository for low-level radioactive waste from nuclear weapons facilities. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:02:46 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Man who shot at White House gets 25 years http://dccrimestories.com/man-fired-semi-automatic-rifle-white-house-gets-25-years/ Man who shot at White House gets 25 years March 31, 2014 by Scott McCabe An Idaho man who pleaded guilty to firing a semi-automatic weapon at the White House was sentenced to 25 years in prison for terrorism and weapons offensives. Twenty-three-year-old Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez admitted to firing at least eight rounds at the White House in November 2011. No one was injured, but U.S. Attorney Ronald Machen Jr. said the bullets narrowly missed the Secret Service officers guarding the White House. Prosecutors were seeking the maximum, 27 1/2 years. “This man drove cross-country to launch an assault rifle attack on the White House from Constitution Avenue,” Machen said. “He was motivated by hatred for the president and the desire to start a revolution against the government.” Federal agents said Ortega-Hernandez had become increasingly agitated with the federal government and was convinced that authorities were conspiring against him. He espoused numerous theories regarding how the federal government was seeking to control Americans through Global Positioning System chips, fluoride, and aspartame. He also criticized the federal government for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, claiming that the United States was “bullying” other countries to obtain oil. He made numerous statements vilifying the President of the United States, calling him “the devil” and “the anti-Christ,” among other things. On numerous occasions, he told friends and associates that “he was on a mission from God to take out Obama.” Ortega-Hernandez purchased a Romanian Cugir SA semi-automatic (AK-47-style) assault rifle from an individual in Idaho for $550. He also purchased more than 1,200 rounds of ammunition to use with the weapon. Ortega-Hernandez made two short videos at the home of one of his friends. In the videos, he praised Osama bin Laden for having the courage to stand up to the United States, and called for a revolution against the federal government. Ortega-Hernandez described himself as a “cold-hearted warrior of God” and declared, “it’s time for Armageddon.” Ortega-Hernandez drove his black 1998 Honda Accord between the White House and the Washington Monument, and fired a semiautomatic rifle through the passenger window, authorities said. Bullets struck the south side of the executive mansion, police said. A bullet hole was discovered in a window on the Truman Balcony, which looks into the heart of the first familys living quarters. The president and first lady were not home at the time. Ortega-Hernandez sped away and drove the car onto the lawn of the United States Institute of Peace near the ramp of the Theodore Roosevelt Bridge, police said. He failed to restart the car, then fled on foot. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:45:38 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Native occupation payoff lands in tax court (property ... ...rights?) http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Native+occupation+payoff+lands+court/9 684143/story.html Native occupation payoff lands in tax court By Christie Blatchford, The Starphoenix April 1, 2014 Like The Thing That Couldn't Die, the dismembered head of the eponymous old horror flick from the 1950s, so the Caledonia occupation is alive and well as its eighth anniversary approaches. The beleaguered former owner-developers of Douglas Creek Estates in the small town south of Hamilton, Don and John Henning, are fighting a reassessment by the Canada Revenue Agency on the $15.8 million the Ontario government paid them effectively to go away in 2006. The property on DCE, as it was called at the time, was meant to be built out as a housing subdivision - it was also to be the fulfilment of the brothers' dreams - but in February that year, protesters from the nearby Six Nations reserve moved in, first by the handful but at the peak of the unrest by the hundreds. Over the ensuing months, particularly after a belated and botched Ontario Provincial Police raid on April 20, 2006, that saw the police run off the land with their tails between their legs, violence and lawlessness ensued such that, as Geoffrey Shaw, the Hennings' lawyer, said Monday, the Ontario government came to the pragmatic conclusion that "'We've got to buy you out.' "Ontario made a political decision to allow the protesters to continue to occupy Douglas Creek Estates," Shaw told Tax Court of Canada Judge Campbell Miller in an opening statement. "The payment was not for land," Shaw snapped, or at least what passes for snapping in tax court. "The payment was for something else." And that something, Shaw said, was to spread soothing oil on the roiling political waters that threatened to drown then-premier Dalton McGuinty and the Liberal government. "It's a bargain for the province to pay $15.8-million ... to get rid of these problems," Shaw said. The money wasn't for the property, he said, because the land was rendered worthless by the protests - indeed, a real estate appraisal done for the CRA concluded the property had no value as of May 2006. Rather, it was to compensate the Hennings and their small company, Henco Industries Ltd., "for the sterilization of its business," and in exchange, the government got "to calm all these waters." Shaw noted that at meetings that neither the Hennings nor their lawyer were asked to attend, the governments of Ontario and Canada negotiated with the protesters. On May 16 that year, the province issued first a moratorium on all building on DCE, then on May 17 a zoning order, the results of which were to prohibit "every use of the land and erection and use of any structure" on it. On May 18, the Ontario government issued a notice of assessment effectively recognizing the land was worthless - dates Shaw described as "dripping with drama." Proof of what really drove the deal, Shaw said, was that it contained a provision requiring the Hennings to "remove the injunction" their former lawyer, Mike Bruder, had successfully obtained in Ontario Superior Court that ordered the OPP to go in and remove the protesters or as Shaw put it, "to relieve the OPP of the pressure to go and do something about it." "When the transaction was completed," Shaw told the judge, the Hennings' former lawyer was "almost instantaneously" in court seeking to "remove the injunction" he had previously sought and won. The judge who had issued it, the late David Marshall, refused to do so, and even suggested negotiations stop until the rule of law had been returned to DCE. The province took that decision to the Ontario Court of Appeal, which overturned Marshall's decision. At issue is how Henco and the Hennings characterized and were taxed on the money Ontario paid them, and the CRA's dispute and subsequent reassessment. At stake, because of the differing tax rates that would apply, is millions of dollars. It's that reassessment the Hennings are now appealing. Such matters are handled by lawyers from the federal Justice Department, and on Monday, they were seeking to have "extrinsic evidence" - most of it about the violence and lawlessness that took place on DCE - excluded because, lawyer Christian Cheong told the judge, "it would be a distraction from the real issues in this appeal." Miller described his job as "simply to characterize the payment for tax purposes," but he refused to holus-bolus kick out the evidence Shaw proposes to call over the next couple of weeks. He said it "would handcuff me as a judge" not to hear about the circumstances of a deal made "where the agreement is not driven by normal market forces." As for any "inflammatory evidence" Shaw may lead, the judge said, "the fact is, the situation was inflammatory. The government acted how it acted." Shaw told the judge that among the witnesses he will call are Don Henning, an OPP inspector, the former Hennings' lawyer and an official from CHCH television in Hamilton, during whose evidence Shaw will play about 45 minutes of news snippets from 2006 that detail the crisis of civil unrest. The case continues Tuesday. Full disclosure: I wrote a book about the occupation, called Helpless, and have received a subpoena that conceivably could see me testify, though justice lawyer Samantha Hurst said it was unlikely. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:02:33 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: A message from Saskatchewan's RCMP Enjoy, (they should make a similar one about gun control). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDFc3i1pDfA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:02:40 -0700 From: Todd Birch Subject: DIY Shotguns (Video) | Survival Subject: DIY Shotguns (Video) | Survival Bubba builds a gun - don't try this at home! http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2014/03/diy-shotguns-2516674.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:32:41 -0700 From: Todd Birch Subject: Fw: Washington new shooting regulations Subject: FW: Washington new shooting regulations Read it through... Washington State Announces New Shooting Regulations [AP]-As part of the effort to streamline Washington State firearms legislation and ensure compatibility with Federal Homeland Security provisions, municipal, county, and state lawmakers and law enforcement agencies have adopted stringent new firearms shooting rules statewide. Previously, shooting was allowed in National Forest, county, BLM, and privately-owned land, within common sense guidelines. Under new rules, the discharge of a firearm is prohibited in any outdoor area and any above-ground indoor area, effectively relegating public shooting to the basement. Reasonable proponents of the new regulations claim the revenue lost in firearm and ammunition sales will be more than offset by increased outdoor recreation fees, which are scheduled to triple as of June, 2013. "I just think this is the best way to prevent terrorism in Washington," said Nancy P. Plumraker of Monroe, WA. "We don't need to be ducking bullets from a bunch of AK-wielding weirdoes in the woods." Lackadaisical enforcement of previously-existing regulations and the proliferation of informal shooting areas may have played a part in convincing officials to adopt the most stringent regulations proposed by the state's Firearms and Ammo Regulation Team (F.A.R.T.). "First, you got to realize many state residents aren't excited to find end-of-the-road turnouts and gravel quarries full of shot-up televisions and fragments of clay pigeons. Most city folk want to drive to the end of the road, find Bambi next to a waterfall and butterflies dipping in and out of a rainbow," noted John D. Pickledocker of Bellevue, a prominent shotshell hull collector. "It's tragic that we'll be losing the beauty of a trashed outdoor range statewide, but so it goes." Other opponents of the new regulations were less understanding. "This is an outrage! How am I supposed to stay in business?" shouted Lee R. Grunter, owner of Crasscade Range and Lounge in a telephone interview. "What-am I supposed to convert my range to spitballs only? Never thought I'd see the day when Washington became more restrictive than California!" Options do remain for range owners and developers with deep pockets, however. WalMort, for example, recently announced plans to install a 1.5-mile long underground long-rifle range beneath its planned Arlington location. "Let's just say this isn't the end of shooting in Washington," said WalMort representative Montee R. Grabby in an interview via Skype. "Seriously, though, the message here is clear if you're willing to simply disregard everything except the first letter of every paragraph." Hadja there for a mo’, didn’t I? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: slap on the wrist- Digest V16 #190 If it is CGN, they are a bunch of anti gun liberal wannabes... Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce "It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - From The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:34:07 PM, Kindanyume wrote: sounds like the typical bullshit from CGN On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Larry James Fillo wrote : > > On 2014-03-15, at 11:47 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > > >> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 10:27:53 -0700 >> From: Todd Birch >> Subject: Slap on the wrist >> >> Once again I have received a cautionary slap on the wrist from the >> moderator of another gun forum: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: RCMP hype re: non-assault rifles Straight from the horse's ass: "Assault weapons — just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms — are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."  - Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988 Yours in TYRANNY Bruce   "It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - From The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320. On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:46:55 P M, Barry Glasgow wrote: So now the gun-grabbing RCMP are telling us that semi-automatic rifles with non-detachable 10-shot magazines are "assault rifles".   Wrong. True assault rifles are fully automatic, yet the term gets readily  applied to any rifle the RCMP doesn't like, based mainly on looks.   The only difference between these SKS rifles and the non-restricted versions we can buy for $100 is a metal tab welded inside the integral magazine, limiting them to 5-shots.   Yet RCMP Sgt. Sheryl Armstrong glibly comparesthem to AK-47's. She raises the spectre of past massacres to invoke fear, fretting that  "if they fall into the wrong hands, now they've got a semi-automatic weapon" capable of "firing off (multiple shots) just like that", capable of "harming more individuals than a single shot."   Is that the new RCMP standard for "assault" rifles? Sgt. Armstrong just singled out more than half the rifles used in hunting and is why the RCMP has no business mandating which guns should be banned and seized. ============== Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:09:36 -0600 From: "Bruce Montague" Subject: Re: CBC: Supreme Court rules in favour of prisoners ... Dear "Kindanyume" and any others who may have his "opinion" about guards punishing prisoners: Kindanyume wrote: >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:26:53 -0400 >From: Kindanyume >Subject: Re: CBC: Supreme Court rules in favour of prisoners ... > >"prison staff can no longer punish prisoners >for misbehaviour." > >wtf????? who the hell was on that bench and what the hell were they >smoking?? they are PRISONERS for a reason.. it's not supposed to be fun >or enjoyable or a country club.. it's PRISON I would advise anyone to carefully consider a topic BEFORE forming an opinion. As gun owners we should all be more aware of how this prejudice can hurt others. As someone who has spent time in prison I can tell you that it is not a picnic, even if the guards do their job decently. Prison is a very degrading and dehumanizing experience. It can also be very cruel at times. This situation should not be capitalized on by sadistic guards! Guards have a great deal of power over prisoners, and can force them to do very vulgar and degrading things just on a whim (and these aren't considered "punishments"). They can also act as judge jury and executioner for many "infractions" real or imagined. For instance they can hand out 4-day prison sentences (ie lengthen you prison stay) for simply forgetting to bring your coffee cup with you to the lunch room. I can tell you from first hand experience that some guards are very mean spirited and take great pleasure in meting out unjustified punishments to prisoners, simply for their own enjoyment. I have no problem with valid punishments that are meted out fairly but when guards have too much power over a prisoner then abuses can and will happen. I know of at least 2 or 3 guards that could use some "rehabilitation time" behind bars for their very real crimes in the way they treat prisoners. I could go on for a very long time on this subject but I hope my point is taken. Please try to be more informed before taking sides on an issue. Yours in Liberty, Bruce. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 00:52:57 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "B.C.'s expanded spring grizzly hunt opens" http://www.newstalk650.com/content/bcs-expanded-spring-grizzly-hunt-opens The B.C. anti-hunting bigotry rears it's gaping maw and screams (animals are equal to humans), while hoping no one will notice the actual premise of their argument. It's a sustainable harvest of a non-endangered species so emotive moral equivalency is all they have left. Meanwhile, former NDP Premier Mike Harcourt has not renewed his membership in the NDP, citing it's failure to balance rural and urban viewpoints on pipelines. There is a lot more than that issue the former farmer/labour party has forsaken. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- B.C.'s expanded spring grizzly hunt opens British Columbia's controversial spring grizzly bear hunt now open Reported by Dene Moore, The Canadian Press Posted Apr 1, 2014 11:40pm Change text size: + - VANCOUVER - British Columbia's controversial spring grizzly bear hunt opened Tuesday, with the highest number of tags issued in decades. Based on government counts that showed stabilization of specific grizzly populations previously closed due to overhunting, the government reopened several areas to hunting this year. An estimated 1,800 tags will be issued, up from about 1,700 last year. "I think we have the best idea (of the population) of any of the jurisdictions that hunt bears right now," said Garth Mowat, a provincial government grizzly bear biologist in the Kootenay region. "We have spent a lot of resources improving our understanding of the number of bears in British Columbia and I'm quite comfortable that it's good enough to allow us to conservatively manage the hunt." The spring grizzly hunt runs from April 1 to the end of May. The fall hunt begins Oct. 1 and continues into mid-November. Though 1,800 hunting tags will be issued, on average about 300 grizzlies are killed annually. The most recent year for which information is publicly available is 2009, when between 350 and 400 bears were shot. Provincial biologists estimate there are approximately 15,000 grizzly bears in the province, which is home to about a quarter of the remaining North American population. Only Alaska has more grizzlies. Biologist Paul Paquet of the Raincoast Foundation said it's extremely difficult to get a proper count of grizzly bears and there could be far fewer too few to risk a trophy hunt. "The real numbers could be somewhere as low as 6,000 or as high as 18,000. We just don't know," Paquet said. But the bigger question is the moral one, he said. "Is this ethical, to be hunting bears? That's really what's at issue," Paquet said. "This is a trophy hunt, as opposed to a hunt for food." Mowat agrees that the real issue is a question of moral support for the hunt. "The debate about whether an individual morally supports a bear hunt and the debate about the sustainability of the hunt get woven together," he said. He does not believe there are conservation concerns. In fact, he said, after 30 years of provincial management grizzlies are repopulating areas where they had been wiped out. Sows with cubs have been spotted moving west from the Kootenay mountains, into the Okanagan and Similkameen regions. Conservation has been a concern. They are largely extinct south of the Canada-U.S. border. The Alberta government suspended its grizzly hunt in 2006 and declared the bears a threatened species in 2010. But in Alaska, there are 30,000 brown and grizzly bears, which are classed as the same species. The state fish and game department said about 1,900 were harvested in 2007. Kyle Artelle, a biologist at Simon Fraser University and Raincoast, said the foundation's own study found the provincial government quotas are not conservative and overkills are common. "There's a huge amount of uncertainty," Artelle said. Nine coastal First Nations have declared bans on bear hunting in their traditional territories. The Wuikinuxv, Heiltsuk, Kitasoo/Xaixais, Nuxalk, Gitgaat, Metlakatla, Old Massett, Skidegate, and the Council of the Haida Nation say hunting is not allowed in the areas that largely cover the Great Bear Rainforest, though the ban is not recognized by the province. In 2005, Raincoast began buying out commercial bear hunting licences in B.C. The group now owns the guide outfitting rights to more than 28,000 square kilometres of land in the Great Bear Rainforest on the north-central coast. While the white spirit bears that call the region home cannot be hunted, the black bears that carry the recessive gene that produces them can be, said Chris Genovali, executive director. The hunt is not necessary to manage a surging population, he said, and a recent study from Stanford University found that bear viewing contributes 10 times as much revenue and employment as hunting. "The ethical argument is clear: killing for sport and amusement is unacceptable and, a lot of people would say, just outright immoral," Genovali said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, April 1, 2014 4:55 pm From: "Dennis Young" Subject: CANADA FREE PRESS: Pray the RCMP don't look after your town ... ...in a State of Emergency by Dennis R. Young CANADA FREE PRESS: Pray the RCMP don't look after your town in a State of Emergency Everyone wants to know why the RCMP were ordered to take this action just in High River and not in any of the other thirty communities where states of emergency were declared during the flood. By Dennis R. Young (Bio and Archives) Tuesday, April 1, 2014 Comments at bottom of page | Print friendly | Subscribe | Email Us http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62108 NOTE: This column appeared in the current issue of the Canadian Firearms Journal, the flagship publication of Canada's National Firearms Association and is republished here with permission. If you would like to get your own copy of the Canadian Firearms Journal every two months please go to the NFA website: https://nfa.ca/canadian-firearms-journal EXCERPT #1: RCMP's action was clearly not a door-to-door search for survivors, this was a very direct and targeted search for guns. READ THE REST: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62108 ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #211 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)