From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #217 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, April 6 2014 Volume 16 : Number 217 In this issue: Victim's Rights Bill 9 proposed changes. Re: In Kentucky, Any "War on Women" Will Face Armed ... Re: Club patron takes down armed gangster THE SURVIVOR: Why are you killing us? We used to be friends Re: "Elizabeth Barrer, shot dead in Lachine, Que., wanted in ... Women and Restraining Orders Re: Digest V16 #213 BILL C-32 - VICTIMS BILL OF RIGHTS BY MICHAEL SPRATT National Post letters: Guns don't shoot up military bases, ... SUN NEWS NETWORK VIDEO: Big freakin' gun giveaway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 15:27:24 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Victim's Rights Bill 9 proposed changes. Below is an excerpt on the proposed Victim's Rights Bill. The first thing I'd question is eliminating the Common-Law traditional exemption for compelling spouses to testify against their husband or wife. Marriage is an institution more fundamental to society than is the Justice system, while arguable, it's status should, I think, remain. As for an offender paying restitution, yes a number of them may not have an income or job, but if a basic labour one could be found even just for the purpose of earning money to pay back their victim, then it may have both a rehabilitative function and assist the victim, with for example, paying off the ambulance bill. The rest sounds okay but not earth shattering. For those in areas of very high crime, a return of the Right Not To Be A Victim seems nowhere to be found. The Liberals could have introduced a bill like this. ============================================= http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/04/03/9-things-you-might-want-to-know-in-the-victims-bill-of-rights/ ..."At 68 pages, the bill includes numerous changes to the Criminal Code, and the Correctional and Conditional Release Act. iPolitics has compiled a list of nine proposed changes you might be interested to learn about: • Spouses can be compelled to testify against an accused. The Canada Evidence Act currently gives spouses the right to refuse to testify. • It will change Corrections & Conditional Release Act to permit victims to see a current photo of the offender at time of conditional release • The bill seeks to give victims access to info about the offender’s progress in relation to their correctional plan • The Victims Bill of Rights will permit disclosure to victim of offender’s release date, destination and conditions of release • It will amend the Criminal Code to ensure judges inform victims of any plea agreements entered into between the accused and the prosecutor • Witness will be able to testify, in certain cases, using a pseudonym • Make publication bans for victims under 18 mandatory on application • Victims can opt out of attending a parole hearing to listen to an audio version instead • A witness speaking on behalf of a victim is permitted to carry a photo of them unless it disrupts court proceedings Bonus: A judge can order an offender to pay a victim restitution even if the offender does not have the ability to pay or the financial means to pay the fee" With files from Kristie Smith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 11:52:44 -0400 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: In Kentucky, Any "War on Women" Will Face Armed ... ...Resistance I dare the moron "former Colorado State Senator Evie Hudak" to try spewing that BS at Suzanna Hupp! SH would shred her like WLP did Peters in the UK a few years ago. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Joe Gingrich wrote: > http://jpfo.org/articles-assd04/KY-armed-resistance.htm > > In Kentucky, Any "War on Women" Will Face Armed Resistance > > By Kurt Hofmann, April 3rd 2014 > > JPFO writer contributor, (c) 2014. > > The Kentucky House overwhelmingly approved House Bill 128 on Monday, in > a 92-6 vote, after the Senate's passage of the bill 37-1. Given those > margins of victory, Governor Steve Beshear's (D) not-too-impressive > record on gun rights is probably not particularly worrisome to the > legislation's proponents, since for a veto override to fail, the bill > would have to lose the support of either 42 representatives or 17 > senators. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 12:06:01 -0400 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: Club patron takes down armed gangster - --001a11c1d7e0bdc9ea04f64dd085 Content-Type: text/plain; charsetISO-8859-1 Now for the moronic parts: "possession of a weapon while prohibited from doing so" yep it works sooo well the 1st time didn't it? He was prohibited so there was no way he could obtain another firearm! Where was how ATC?? And quite possibly the moron insulting.. is 4yrs for that... but WE get a min 3 yrs if we even so much as have a pal expire by even a millisecond /facepalm On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Larry James Fillo wrote: > Muldoon gets four years in connection to bear spray brawl > > Pleads guilty to gun charges stemming from hip-hop show fight > Reported by Bre McAdam > First Posted: Apr 3, 2014 4:27pm | Last Updated: Apr 3, 2014 11:46pm > Change text size: + - > A Saskatoon man who pulled a sawed-off rifle from his pants and pointed > it at a rap artist during a fight at a hip-hop show will spend four > years in prison. > > Timothy Muldoon, 20, pleaded guilty to possession of a weapon for a > dangerous purpose, possession of a prohibited weapon, possession of a > stolen weapon and possession of a weapon while prohibited from doing so > during his appearance in Saskatoon Provincial Court on Thursday. > > Judge Albert Lavoie accepted the joint-submission of a four-year > sentence on the four gun-related charges stemming from a bear spray > incident at Rock Bottom bar on Dec. 14, 2013. > > Court heard Muldoon was a member of the Terror Squad gang at the time, > and was instructed by an associate to go to the Broadway Avenue bar and > look for Skye Stoney, a rap artist who was performing that night. Terror > Squad members had issues with the rappers, stemming from a previous > incident at the Prince Albert Penitentiary, according to Crown > prosecutor Frank Impey. > > Muldoon had the loaded rifle hidden in his pants, while six other people > he was with had bear spray and a machete. Impey said there was no > indication Muldoon bear sprayed the bar or was involved in the violence > that ensued; as soon as he pulled the gun from his pants and pointed it > at Stoney, a customer hit him in the head with a bottle and pinned him > to the ground until police arrived. > > A 33-year-old man was found outside the bar suffering from stab wounds. > No charges have been laid in connection to the stabbing. > > The brawl left Muldoon with injuries including a broken collarbone and > nose, said defense lawyer Lionel Kayseas. He said while his client > didn't like to talk about himself, one of his mentor's described him as > having a "Jekyll and Hyde type personality." Kayseas said it appears > Muldoon was productive when he had positive influences in his life, but > took on a different persona once he "crossed Idylwyld Drive." > > "He got in over his head with the wrong people. He did not know what was > going to transpire," Kayseas told the court, adding Muldoon did not > coordinate the attack. > > Muldoon plans to use his time in prison to get an education and leave > the gang lifestyle, which he joined when he was 16 years old, Kayseas > said. > > He's had 74 convictions in less than five years according to Impey. > While some of them include assault charges, Kayseas said many of the > offenses involved minimal violence. > > Muldoon was originally facing assault charges in connection to the bear > spray incident at Rock Bottom, but the charges were stayed. He also > pleaded guilty to mischief after he was caught on video using a piece of > metal to scratch the walls of his jail cell. > > "Another example of false bravado," commented Judge Lavoie. > > > > > Note- it was a bar patron, in this case a "citizen-cop" who prevented > the doofus gangster > with a sawed off rifle(prohibited since circa 1930), from shooting > people. > > This is the way to take back the city from violent criminals, and pretty > much the only way. > > The violent felon suffered getting beaten up and a broken collar-bone, > which is more > immediate negative reinforcement for bad behaviour than the light > sentence handed down > many months later. > > Note- This doofus, by the age of 20, has a record of 74 convictions. So > the police have > arrested, investigated, testified against him and via Crown Prosecutors, > have successfully > proven him to be a repeat offender. They've done their job. > > The sentence of 4 years amounts to one year for each year he's been a > member of this > doofus street gang, but as parole eligibility occurs at 1/3 and > mandatory at 2/3 rds of the sentence. > He'll be back on the street somewhere between 16-32 months. > > This city, Saskatoon, has a huge city police budget and the police are > so busy dealing with > criminals, the frequency alone is a stress factor. > > The "lean" concept of how to reduce both crime and the rising tax > attempting to deal with it, > 90 percent of which is salaries, would be to employ "citizen cops" by > issuing CCW permits > to good citizens who work in high risk businesses like drug, jewellery, > stores and restaurants, > as well others who are more likely to be there when a crime occurs, then > are the police. > > In my Canada, there would be ads like: > > "Let the Justice League" (made up of under employed police, prosecutors > and judges) paint > your fence or re-shingle your garage. Reasonable rates. Call 9-11 (it's > seldom busy)" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 07:44:16 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: THE SURVIVOR: Why are you killing us? We used to be friends Why a 24 year Cdn. gov't. disarmament policy sends chills down the spine of those Cdns, who still have one. ================================================== THE SURVIVOR: “Why are you killing us? We used to be friends” Source: Thomson Reuters Foundation - Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:02 AM Author: Katy Migiro More news from our correspondents Jeanette Mukabyagaju: “They chose people to kill according to their level: how strong you are, how educated, how rich. Most of the time, they chose people from the area they belonged.” Photo taken in Mbyo, Rwanda, Marchl 21, 2014. THOMSON REUTERS FOUNDATION/Katy Migiro MBYO, Rwanda – Jeanette Mukabyagaju was 15 and living with her parents and six older siblings in Gitarama, 50 km from Kigali, when the genocide started in April 1994. She recalls the night Hutu extremists first came to her home and the slaughter that followed. "On April 8, we were in the house getting ready to sleep, when we heard people in the village making a lot of noise. They said: ‘The Tutsis killed President Habyarimana and now we are going to kill the Tutsis.’ "When we looked outside, they were already there, throwing stones at our house. ‘It’s over for us,’ my father said. "Four of us ran outside at first, and hid among the banana trees. Our parents stayed in the house. They said they didn’t have anywhere to hide. "At dawn, the villagers came back. They were still shouting: ‘The Tutsis killed our father (Habyarimana). We are going to kill them too.’ "They entered the house and told everyone they had found there to go outside. "They were many. Some were soldiers, some Interahamwe (extremist Hutu militias), others were our neighbours. Some had guns and machetes. Others had nail-studded clubs. They called them ntampongano yumwanzi, meaning ‘no forgiveness’. "I was hiding in the back, in the toilet. My brother, Jean Baptist, had also run out the house. I don’t know where he went. "They told my family to sit down. They shot some. Others, they killed with machetes. I didn’t see them die but I heard them crying and the sound of bullets. "I heard my 17-year-old brother Eugene ask them: ‘Why are you killing us? We used to be friends.’ "When they finished, I ran to my family. I saw Dad, Mum, my two sisters and two brothers. They were already dead. "I saw Eugene. They had cut his back, then his neck. His head was still on his neck but he couldn’t hold it up. I could see he was going to die. I touched him. But I wasn’t able to pick him up and carry him away. I don’t know if he was able to recognise me because we didn’t talk. "I went back to the banana trees to hide. "On the second day, they came back and cut him again. They didn’t kill him. They left him and went to kill others. "On the third day, they came back and they cut his body in two. When he died, I ran away. "Our house was rubble. They took everything we had and destroyed the house. "A dozen uncles, aunts and grandparents had neighbouring houses within our compound. I never went to see them because I knew they were already dead. I saw their houses were destroyed so I knew they had been killed. "I went to the Catholic church in Kabwayi, two hours away. I found other refugees there - almost 5,000 women, men and children. People were coming from many places. I knew some of them from our village. "I slept outside the church for two weeks. The rain was too much. "Our clothes were wet and we were shivering because of the cold but there was nothing we could do. We drank rainwater but we didn’t eat anything for two weeks. "When the monsignor came, he told us to get out. He said: ‘Your Tutsi God has already left you. Your Tutsi God has said that you must die. I don’t want you here because (the Interahamwe) will destroy my church.’ "He was a Rwandan. I believed that we were going to die. "The Interahamwe came and chased everyone out. They killed some of the refugees. "After that, we went to a monastery. We were about 3,000 people, all Tutsi. "Some injured soldiers came there. One had a cut hand. He said a Tutsi cockroach cut his hand. He told me: ‘You see how your brother cockroach cut my hand. We are going to kill you too.’ "But when the soldiers came, other people hid me. They piled clothes on top of me and sat on me. Even now, my back hurts. I can’t farm or carry heavy things. "We had been there one month when the Interahamwe came and took some of the Tutsi monks and killed them. We saw some being killed in front of our eyes. Others, they put in buses and took them to Ngororero to kill them there. "The Tutsi monks brought us maize once a week. After they were killed, there were still some Hutu monks there but they never gave us food. We were living a very bad life. "The Interahamwe looked like animals. Some wore normal clothes, but many were wearing banana leaves. They made them into skirts and put them on their heads and over their faces so you couldn’t recognise them. "They chose people to kill according to their level: how strong you are, how educated, how rich. Most of the time, they chose people from the area they belonged. "I used to hide in the toilet because most of them came from my village. They were saying: ‘In the family of Ngarukiyeitura Gaspard, (my father) there are two people we didn’t kill.’ "Most people were tired with running all the time. They said: ‘It’s better to be dead than to be alive.’ They were sitting, waiting. "I knew that, one day, the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) would come. Better that I hide. Maybe I will survive, I thought. "There were some RPF soldiers among the refugees. They were there to tell people: ‘Be patient. The RPF are coming.’ "After two months, the RPF came to town - it was May 30 - but they didn’t take all of the town. "On June 2, we heard bullets and a lot of fighting. We thought it was the Habyarimana soldiers coming to kill us. We took stones. We said: ‘If they come, they will kill us. But we will kill some of them too.’ "At two o’clock, soldiers entered the compound and we saw they were RPF. "We were only 1,000. The others had already been killed." Four months later, Jeanette returned home and reclaimed her family land. In 1995, she married. Her husband, Elias, an RPF soldier, was killed three years later in the Democratic Republic of Congo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 12:35:30 -0400 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: "Elizabeth Barrer, shot dead in Lachine, Que., wanted in ... Not counting the satire... the sad part is those like cukier and her ilk will of course use this as part of their stats to "prove" we need gun control etc.. and that her death is a 'travesty" of the gov's failure to ban firearms etc etc On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Larry James Fillo wrote: > ...U.S." > > > A U.S. drug kingpin on America's most wanted list shot in a parked > car in Quebec. > > Probably, just another person who thought Canadian gun control > would make her safe. > > (satire mode off) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/elizabeth-barrer-shot-dead-in-lachi > ne-que-wanted-in-u-s-1.2598131 > > see photo > > A 32-year-old woman who was shot in the head while in a parked car in > Lachine, Que., on March 19 has been identified as Elizabeth Barrer, who > was described as an "accused drug kingpin" sought by U.S. authorities > since 2007. > > Elizabeth Barrer, who was shot and killed in Lachine, Que., last month, > had been wanted in the United States on drug charges. (America's Most > Wanted) > > Montreal police are not saying the woman is Barrer, but did confirm that > the shooting is likely related to drug trafficking and they are > collaborating with detectives in the U.S. > > The America's Most Wanted website described Barrer as an "accused > drug kingpin." U.S. marshals had been after her on charges related to > the illegal drug trade, according to the site. > > She was described as a "pivotal" figure in a U.S. drug network with > links to Canada and Ukraine. > > A report in the Free Lance-Star newspaper out of Fredricksberg, Va., > from August 2007 says Barrer had been the subject of a narcotics > investigation by Spotsylvania County detectives. > > The report said she was wanted on a warrant that carried a potential > life sentence. > > At the time, two men associated with Barrer were charged with drug > kingpin and other drug counts, according to the report. > > Montreal police had been unable to identify the woman found shot to > death in Lachine because she was carrying fake identification. > > She had been shot "at least once" in the head and died a short time > later in hospital, police reported at the time. > > Const. Danny Richer said fingerprints and DNA led Montreal police to > contact authorities in the U.S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 08:18:01 -0700 From: Todd Birch Subject: Women and Restraining Orders If Wendy, et al, really wanted to strike a blow for the safety and protection of women from domestic violence, they would demand that women be amongst the first to qualify for concealed carry in Canada. Particularly where a restraining order has been ordered by the courts. The history of restraining orders is such that it marks a women for retaliation from a disgruntled spouse or partner. When such a court order is handed down, the woman in question ought to be offered the option of taking requisite firearms training and/or be issued a CEW or police grade pepper spray until such time as she qualifies. The police are the first to admit their inability to protect these women 24/7 and they are powerless to take these guys off the street until they commit a crime. Then it is often too little, too late. Anyone with so little regard for the law is hardly likely to respect the conditions of a restraining order any more than a criminal respects firearms laws. We have laws with regard to violence of any kind, up to and including murder, but assaults and killings continue. Our recently announced "Victim's Rights" law is a sham, a paper tiger with no teeth. Instead, we need laws that prevent or reduce the number of victims, instead of setting us up for more victims. If you were a violent offender of any kind, what other country in the world would you want to live in? In many other western jurisdictions, you would be subject to either capital punishment or lengthy jail time without the likelihood of early parole. That doesn't entirely end the problem, but it takes a lot of offenders 'off the streets', a popular phrase of police whenever a gun owner has his guns confiscated. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 00:50:53 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Digest V16 #213 What another conspiracy theory? Why am I not surprised. It's is not uncommon for buildings, usually homes, where horrendous crimes or suffering has occurred to be demolished. And not long after the event, either. Cover-up? Conspiracy theories do parallel utopian fantasies, in that both share the same epistemological methodology. I'll leave it at that. On 2014-04-03, at 11:32 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:43:38 -0700 > From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> > Subject: Sandy Hook school demolished > > I didn't know the school at Sandy Hook was demolished unusually quickly > after the alleged events. Reminds me of the Oklahoma City Bombing site, the > WTC site, well, you get the idea. > > 45clive > > http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/24/wolfgang-halbig-heads-to-newtown-f or-the-truth-about-sandy-hook/ > > "The destruction of the crime scene was striking for the lifetime gag-order > imposed upon those who were involved in its demolition and the extreme > security that surrounded it, which was yet another in a pattern of > suppressing evidence about what actually happened at Sandy Hook > laborate-hoax/> ." > > "Additional studies support > the conclusion that this had not been an operating school for several years. > One of the reasons for confronting the School Board, therefore, is that its > members cannot not know that the school was virtually abandoned and had been > awaiting future demolition." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, April 5, 2014 11:35 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: BILL C-32 - VICTIMS BILL OF RIGHTS BY MICHAEL SPRATT BILL C-32 - VICTIMS BILL OF RIGHTS http://www.michaelspratt.com/law-blog/2014/4/3/victims-bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, April 5, 2014 11:44 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: National Post letters: Guns don't shoot up military bases, ... ...people do Today's letters: Guns don't shoot up military bases, people do Letters | April 5, 2014 | Last Updated: Apr 4 3:10 PM ET http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/04/05/todays-letters-guns-dont-shoot-up-military-bases-people-do/ Re: Quick Draw, letter to the editor, April 4. http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/04/04/todays-letters-how-big-a-threat-is-vladimir-putin/ Riding on the parachute of preconceived notions about the NRA and gun ownership, letter-writer Daniel Martin misses the target. Mr. Martin says the U.S. military carries weapons on bases and thus the recent tragedy at Fort Hood proves that carrying guns does not prevent or mitigate violent crime. The United States military, however, does not carry arms on or off base, except for some military police and soldiers in war zones. Otherwise, carrying arms is prohibited by law and tradition. The U.S. military relies on the armed civilian police force to respond to shootings and most other criminal acts. In fact, the current conversation in the U.S. is to allow an increased number of military police or designated officers to carry weapons, at least sidearms, while on base. In other words, the lack of carried guns is seen as a safety issue. Also, while I too am not a fan of armed persons in schools, armed police have been stationed at many schools in high crime areas and the results have been positive. It is also true that in areas where civilians are permitted to carry concealed weapons, violent crimes have diminished. Perhaps it is time to judge the criminals rather than a legitimate means of self-defence. JOHN PAGE, MISSISSAUGA, ONT. -------------------------------------- Contrary to letter-writer Daniel Martin's assertions, Fort Hood was not a "military base where there are lots of good guys with guns." In fact, Fort Hood is a military base where there are lots of "good guys" (both men and women) without guns, because it is a "gun-free zone" - just like Columbine High School, Sandy Hook Elementary School, Virginia Tech and the Century movie theater in Aurora, Colo. So, like the victims of Major Nidal Malik Hasan in 2009, the soldiers at Fort Hood were sitting ducks; the rampage ended only when military police arrived and engaged the gunman, leading to him taking his own life. If recent history tells us anything, it is that mass shootings typically end only when someone with a gun shows up, which is probably why so many of them occur in gun-free zones in the first place. NEIL PEDEN, MONTREAL. ---------------------------------------------- Letter-writer Daniel Martin is too quick to draw a conclusion over the latest Forth Hood tragedy. Mr. Martin assumes that Forth Hood is awash in firearms and uses the incident to show that more guns does not mean less crime. Sadly for the victims of the shooting, that is not the case, as only the post guards and military police will have access to firearms on the base. Essentially, Fort Hood is a "gun-free zone," which is attractive to the deranged individuals who wish to act out in a suicidal rage. If anything, the second tragedy at Forth Hood in recent years draws attention to the sad plight of veterans upon their return from battle, and the prudence of having a firearm close to hand for the purpose of self-defence. ROBERT S. SCIUK, OSHAWA, ONT. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, April 5, 2014 11:49 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: SUN NEWS NETWORK VIDEO: Big freakin' gun giveaway SUN NEWS NETWORK VIDEO: Big freakin' gun giveaway "We'll use the money for projects in defense of freedom for Canadian gun owners." FAITH GOLDY | SUN NEWS NETWORK - 11:34 am, April 4th, 2014 http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/specialreports/archives/2014/04/20140404-113415.html When it comes to guns and grass roots: size does matter. Forty pounds of .50 caliber firepower, the Bushmaster BA50 is the centerpiece of Canada's National Firearms Association's rifle raffle. A cool fifty bucks will get you just five rounds for the Bushy; or, one 'Big Freakin' Gun Giveaway' ticket with your name on it. Do the math and it's worth the cash. Between the BA, the Leupold scope, 100 rounds of ammo, and a three-day personalized shooting course with Rob Furlong-the whole package tips ten grand in value. And every cent goes to the NFA. In the wake of sweeping Swiss Arms and CZ reclassification, alongside parliamentary calls for a judicial inquiry into High River's gun grab, the NFA's eighty thousand members vow they won't be muzzled. "Our position is that the Firearms Act needs to be repealed and it needs to be repealed now," says NFA Executive VP Shawn Bevins. The grassroots group collected over 250 thousand dollars in the giveaway's first week alone. "We'll use the money for projects in defense of freedom for Canadian gun owners," Shawn adds. "We're not interested in wining and dining Ottawa to see change." To have your go at this gun giveaway, visit: https://nfa.ca/products/donate-nfa . ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #217 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)