From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #251 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, May 2 2014 Volume 16 : Number 251 In this issue: Government supremacist uses hate term to push citizen disarmament [none] National Post: Want to snoop? Get a warrant by Jesse Kline Olympic gold medallist bound for his fifth Commonwealth Games RE: Sign the Harper's birthday card and add your special ... RE: School accused of trying to 'demonize' student in ... RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #247 RE: GLOBE AND MAIL: Cold dead hands: 13 facts about U.S. gun ... RE: I just don't get it RE: Gun Control Talking Head Admits Registry Was A Firearms ... [Fwd: Purse snatchers meet armed citizen] Re: [Fwd: Happy Birthday Prime Minister!] Three men arrested on gun charges The "more guns" argument and the FedEx tragedy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 00:16:05 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Government supremacist uses hate term to push citizen disarmament http://jpfo.org/articles-assd04/codrea-govt-supremacist-uses-hate.htm Government supremacist uses hate term to push citizen disarmament By David Codrea, April 30th 2014 JPFO writer contributor, © 2014. "Have we gone stark raving mad?" E. J. Dionne, Jr. asks in his latest Washington Post hit piece against the human right to keep and bear arms. What is the latest "provocation" to send the senior fellow in governance studies, government professor and government loyalist into a hoplophobic tizzy? Georgia had the temerity to pass a law reducing a few, but hardly all of the state's infringements on the right to keep and bear arms. Real radical stuff, like removing duplicative record keeping requirements, recognizing that artificial property lines don't change personalities to turn moral and rational people homicidal once they cross them, keeping poor people in public housing from being disarmed... That last one certainly contradicts all that "for the downtrodden" championing "progressives" pretend they care about. And for all the noise gun-grabbers make about "reasonable compromises," it appears they only mean for the concessions to come from one side. For someone who maintains "the wall of separation is a liberal idea. I do think that keeping the state independent of religion is one reason why religion has thrived in the United States," Dionne certainly comes unhinged at the thought of the state leaving the decision to be armed up to the house of worship. He also fails to mention that Georgia was one of the few exceptions to this practice among the states. Disregarding the exceptionally lawful nature of concealed carriers, Dionne relies on innuendo to imply peaceable gun owners will suddenly turn homicidal in bars, or get into brawls in the first place. He also conveniently neglects to mention that carry with the owner's permission has been in place in Georgia since 2010, that it's illegal to shoot someone unless in self defense, and that if guns, alcohol and human beings truly cannot coexist, then, just to be logically consistent, every home that contains all three ought to either dry up or disarm, the latter no doubt being his preferred choice. The misrepresentations and sins of commission and omission continue. Georgia is hardly the first state to allow lawful gun possession in government buildings. And as for state preemption, as opposed to a patchwork quilt of conflicting and confusing municipal edicts that no one could comply with (leaving the only choice to guarantee remaining "legal" would be to disarm), Dionne does not specify what other articles in the Bill of Rights should also be subject to "home rule" revocation. Nor does his side ever bring up such arguments when imposing more restrictive top-down edicts that localities are forced to comply with. "People with a gun license who try to carry a weapon onto an airplane get a nice break under this bill," he asserts, in perhaps the most deceptive statement in his rant. No one may legally try to carry a weapon onto an airplane, or past secured airport areas. To suggest otherwise is just not true. Of course there's more, but this is, after all, E. J. Dionne we're talking about, and it's not exactly like the guy has established a track record of fair, balanced, accurate, or even non-hysterical reporting on guns, as opposed to being a doctrinaire cheerleader for a state monopoly of violence, exactly what JPFO exists to educate about and warn against. Dionne is the self-styled innovator who tried to convince his readers a "new gun argument" was parroting talking points about meddling with hunters, and what we really needed was Mike Bloomberg assembling a team of anti-gun mayors. His definition of "gun sanity," (and this is what happens when you allow "progressives" to define the terms) is "tough action on guns." And he maintains NRA "wields power that would make an Afghan warlord jealous," disregarding that those are people the big powers have been unable to break – at tremendous sustained cost. But that's not why he said it. Dionne just wanted to equate NRA with violence and tribal insurgents. That fits right in with using the term "gun supremacists" in his latest attack on Georgia's peaceable gun owners, and it's no coincidence this professional wordsmith selected a word broadly associated with racism. The antis have been trying to peg gun owners as haters because it's to their advantage to convince a critical mass of the public to view us as evil. They've tried it often enough. The thing is, it's not our side trying to disarm people of different races and cultures, it's Dionne's. And as JPFO has been instrumental in demonstrating, ever since its founder, the late Aaron Zelman, changed the paradigm of the debate, the biggest threat to human life and dignity has always been the monsters enabled by government supremacists like E. J. Dionne, Jr. and his patrons at The Washington Post. Was this information valuable to you? If so, please consider donating, becoming a member or renewing your membership, or buying a DVD, book, tee-shirt, or other gear at our JPFO store. David Codrea is a field editor at GUNS Magazine, penning their monthly "Rights Watch" column. He provides regular reporting and commentary at Gun Rights Examiner and blogs at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance. Yours in Freedom, The Liberty Crew at JPFO Protecting you by creating solutions to destroy "gun control" Our mailing address is: jpfo@jpfo.org P.O. Box 270143, Hartford, WI 53027, USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 06:09:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "bletchleypark@rogers.com" Subject: [none] Subject: Was Donald Sterling Treated Unfairly? References: <1398949083.7504.YahooMailNeo@web162104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1398949083.7504.YahooMailNeo@web162104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Just sent to the National Post. Ron Charach must be given full credit for his ability for literary gymnastics and subconscious transference in hijacking the Donald Sterling affair in order to promote his Hoplophobic (irrational fear of guns) agenda. His missive teems with implied bigotry and blatant stereotyping. Further, his phobic fixation on semi-automatic hand guns is betrayed by the simple fact that a well placed shot from a semi-automatic hand gun is no more lethal than that of a revolver of similar caliber. Consideration of the Sixth Amendment Right (Right to a Speedy Trial) of a would be murderer is of little concern to a one hundred pound woman fortunate enough to employ her Second Amendment Right (Right to Bear Arms) in a timely fashion. Peter Wilson CD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 1, 2014 7:34 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: National Post: Want to snoop? Get a warrant by Jesse Kline National Post: Want to snoop? Get a warrant Jesse Kline | May 1, 2014 | Last Updated: Apr 30 6:14 PM ET More from Jesse Kline | @accessd http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/01/jesse-kline-want-to-snoop-get-a-warrant/ Ever since they came to power in 2006, the federal Conservatives have been trying to introduce "lawful access" legislation that would make it easier for the government to collect information on Canadians' private Internet activities. Former public safety minister Vic Toews' notorious gaffe, arguing that those who oppose such a law are siding with the "child pornographers," was in fact a fortunate development - because only then did Canadians begin pushing back in earnest against this violation of our collective right to privacy. From the information disclosed by former U.S. National Security Agency contractor-turned-whistleblower Edward Snowden, we now know our spy agency and those of numerous allied governments have been collecting huge swaths of information as it travels over the Internet. That's even without the legislation the Conservatives want passed, but it hasn't stopped them from trying to revive provisions contained in Mr. Toews' now-defunct legislation. The latest attempt is Bill C-13, the government's cyberbullying legislation, which contains a provision (like Mr. Toews' bill) that would give telecommunications companies blanket immunity from any criminal or civil charges stemming from the collection of their customers' private information or its dissemination to law enforcement agencies - even if those agencies don't have a warrant. That's not to say Canadian Internet service providers (ISPs) aren't already handing your information over to government agencies without a warrant. In fact, they are doing so at an alarming rate. On Tuesday, interim privacy commissioner Chantal Bernier released information, provided by the industry, that shows the federal government requests subscriber information from these companies about 1.2 million times every year. That's an average of one request every 27 seconds. At least 785,000 Canadians had information on their accounts turned over to the government in 2011. That number is likely much higher, as only a fraction of this country's major telecommunications companies provided this information. The total number of Canadians whose information was handed over to the government was obviously much higher, and the number of times these requests were made without any court oversight is still unknown, although it is likely a fairly high percentage. The Halifax Chronicle Herald recently reported that the Canada Border Services Agency alone collected private information from telecommunications companies on 19,000 individuals over a one-year period, and that 99% of those requests did not contain a warrant. It appears that with or without lawful access legislation, federal law enforcement agencies have a very cozy relationship with Canada's ISPs. In a document obtained by University of Ottawa law professor Michael Geist through an Access to Information request, Bell Canada said that, "we are walking a delicate line between supporting privacy and not antagonizing [law enforcement agencies]." READ THE REST: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/01/jesse-kline-want-to-snoop-get-a-warrant/ ----------------------------- Telecoms rebuff privacy commissioner on warrantless feeds to feds Chantal Bernier says telecoms are refusing to tell her office how many times they have handed over personal customer information to the federal government without a warrant CP APRIL 29, 2014 http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/technology/Telecoms+rebuff+privacy+commissioner+warrantless/9787487/story.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 1, 2014 7:36 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: Olympic gold medallist bound for his fifth Commonwealth Games Diamond, Mark head strong Games shooting "Our shooters have a proud and successful record at past Commonwealth Games," Nathan Paull - 12:08 AEST Thu May 1 2014 http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8838072 Two school pupils and a father and daughter duo join some of the biggest names in the sport in Australia's shooting team for the Commonwealth Games. Veteran Olympic shotgun stars Michael Diamond and Russell Mark head the 29-strong team announced on Thursday, with dual Olympic gold medallist Diamond bound for his fifth Commonwealth Games and seeking his fourth trap gold medal in Glasgow in July. Other recognisable names include Alethea Sedgman, who won a rifle shooting gold medal at age 16 in Delhi four years ago, and veterans Warren Potent and Lalita Yauhleuskaya. But a raft of novices have also made the cut, including South Australian rifle juniors Emma Adams, 15, and Jack Rossiter, 16. Shooting Australia CEO Damien Marangon said the duo, who will compete in the 10m air events, earned their spots with outstanding results in domestic and international competition. "Both South Australians have displayed amazing talent beyond their years and we hope this will be the beginning of a long and successful shooting career," said Marangon. Fellow South Australians David and Hayley Chapman, who compete in pistol disciplines, will become the first father-daughter shooting duo to compete for Australia at a Commonwealth Games. David Chapman will be on his fifth Commonwealth campaign and looking to add to his collection of six Commonwealth medals. Australian Commonwealth Games Association CEO Perry Crosswhite said expectations were high for the shooting team. "Our shooters have a proud and successful record at past Commonwealth Games," Crosswhite said. "Those named today are a good mix of experience and youth and we expect another strong performance at the 2014 Games shooting competition." The shooting events will be hosted at the Barry Buddon Shooting Centre - a satellite venue near Carnoustie on Scotland's east coast - and will run from July 25-29. Australian team:- Pistol: Daniel Repacholi - men's 50m (free), men's 10m air; Bruce Quick - men's 50m (free), men's 25m (rapid); Blake Blackburn - men's 10m air; David Chapman - men's 25m (rapid); Lalita Yauhleuskaya - women's 25m (sport), women's 10m air; Hayley Chapman - women's 25m (sport); Emily Esposito - women's 10m air Small bore rifle: Dane Sampson - men's 10m air, men's 3 position, men's prone; Jack Rossiter - men's 10m air; Michael Brown - men's 3 position; Warren Potent - men's prone; Emma Adams - women's 10m air; Jennifer Hens - women's 10m air, women's prone; Alethea Sedgman - women's 3 position, women's prone; Robyn Ridley - women's 3 position Full bore rifle: Geoff Grenfell - Queen's Prize pairs, Queen's Prize individual; James Corbett - Queen's Prize pairs, Queen's Prize individual Clay target: Russell Mark - men's double trap, Tom Turner - men's double trap, Adam Vella - men's trap, Michael Diamond - men's trap; Paul Adams - men's skeet; Keith Ferguson - men's skeet; Catherine Skinner - women's trap; Laetisha Scanlan - women's trap; Emma Cox - women's double trap; Gaye Shale - women's double trap; Laura Coles - women's skeet; Lauryn Mark - women's skeet. QUESTION: Does anyone know who is on the Canadian Team? ------------------------------------ Local Middle Schooler Places 3rd in State Trap Shooting Championships by Dennis Maley - Published Wednesday, April 30, 2014 12:04 am http://www.thebradentontimes.com/news/2014/04/30/sports/local_middle_schoole r_places_3rd_in_state_trap_shooting_championships/#.U2HQFY1OW70 BRADENTON - 13 year-old Logan Smith won a bronze medal in Olympic Trap Shooting at the Florida Junior Olympics state championships in Gainesville this past weekend. Smith, 13, is an IB student at Johnson Middle School. She will advance to the national championships in Colorado Springs this July. Smith, a third generation resident of Manatee County, is a member of the United States Clay Target Academy trap & skeet team, which is based in St. Petersburg. Her parents, Danny and Tiffany Smith, said they couldn't be more proud of her. Same for her grandparents, Paul and Skeeter Smith. Amazingly, Logan has been training in the sport for a mere 10 months, which should bode well for success in the future as she continues to refine her skills. As you might imagine, there aren't all that many females involved in the sport, which Logan said was part of the draw for her. "What I like most about trap shooting is the feeling you get after you a break a clay," said Logan. "You put all of your training and hard work into it and it's just amazing to see the clay break and have that feeling." Logan's parents will have to fund most of her trip to Colorado for the national tournament, but the Manatee Fish & Game Association is helping out, while also accepting donations on the young lady's behalf. Anyone interested in helping to sponsor her trip can send a donation to: Manatee Fish & Game Association Logan Smith Fundraising P.O. Box 9164 Bradenton, FL 34206 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 06:56:00 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Sign the Harper's birthday card and add your special ... I signed Harper's birthday card with, "I, my family and friends will vote for your party when you repeal all of the Firearms Act." 45clive http://conservative.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u^9ee09d91aa4d38e08f9a7c3&id~2de9c435&eob2c01f57 Sincerely, Fred DeLorey Director, Political Operations Conservative Party of Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 07:17:07 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: School accused of trying to 'demonize' student in ... ...'pastry ... "Prime Mininster Harper said, Canada's gun controls 'work,' "We will keep this system that works. That's the important thing, to have controls that work." My question is, who does this system (of gun control) work FOR? Certainly not for us, good moral Canadians who if it were not for the Firearms Act would not be criminals. Remember, Harper's "system that works" is premised on ALL firearms being illegal, thus making us all criminals, notwithstanding a license which is merely an authorization to break the law. We know gun control laws are not about safety, at least not ours. All violence is substantially lower in areas where the discretionary carrying of concealed firearms is legal. Who are the "social engineers" working against us? The Wendy's of this world are merely useful idiots, well rewarded for their straw man representations. Could it be the bankers who pull the strings globally behind the scenes? Could it be our politicians and bureaucrats (and police are bureaucrats) who want to have a leg up on us if and when our economy tanks? Should that happen we will most definitely need our guns and know how and when to use them. It is preferable if our firearms are legal. In a self defense or survival situation the niceties of the law go by the wayside. 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 07:22:50 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #247 > If you want property rights, start with the provincial constitution, > as property rights are under provincial jurisdiction as per the B.N.A. > Act. Amending it is much more straightforward and simple than > is the federal one. Also look to the various provincial "Act of Union" legislation. I have it on good authority that BC could succeed from Canada by a simple majority vote in the legislature. The only way true reform will happen in Canada is through de-confederation. Confederation is premised on maintaining all political power in Ontario and Quebec. Let's see how much power they have if the West walks. Anyone who thinks otherwise must have some interesting recordings of Harper and the Supremes. 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 07:27:40 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: GLOBE AND MAIL: Cold dead hands: 13 facts about U.S. gun ... ...... "Cold dead hands: 13 facts about U.S. gun culture that speak volumes Michael Babad, The Globe and Mail - Last updated Tuesday, Apr. 29 2014, 8:00 PM EDT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/top-business-stories/cold- dead-hands-13-facts-about-us-gun-culture-that-speak-for-themselves/article18 319529/?cmpidrss1" Finally, a gun-positive article from the Mope and Wail" ;) 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 07:36:14 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: I just don't get it "A sports club owner is in deep ca-ca over remarks he made concerning some dark people. The media explosion has far exceeded those which brought down the Trade Towers." Speaking in favour of killing Worthy Oriental Gentlemen and their families "over there" is not only quite acceptable, but necessary to de-humanizing them so the wars will be supported. This was easier when we didn't live in such a multi-cultural society. While I point out the reality of the situation, and support anyone's right to make a fool of themselves, as long as no harm is done other than bent egos and social engineers standing up for their jobs, I don't endorse what is said in either case; I do however support the right of either side to say what's on their mind. 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 07:41:23 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Gun Control Talking Head Admits Registry Was A Firearms ... ...... > "It looks like the RCMP is desperately searching for any piece of information that could lead them to the owners of these now-prohibited weapons, including media reports, whereas it would be child's play to find the owners if the registry were still alive. So instead of having an efficient and practical way of tracking legal gun ownership, police have to rely on the same investigative tools they would use to track illegal guns. What a mess." It would only be "child's play" if everyone and their guns were in the registry. Fortunately we have three million people who saw what was coming and decided not to play the game. When all the "legal" guns have been confiscated, perhaps one of these three million will let you have one of theirs. If not, you might have to bite the bullet, so to speak, and do business with some rather unsavoury characters. 45live ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 1, 2014 8:46 am From: decline@pteradon.tera-byte.com Subject: [Fwd: Purse snatchers meet armed citizen] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjPo9i4jyY&feature=player_embedded ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 11:56:00 -0400 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: [Fwd: Happy Birthday Prime Minister!] signed with a polite but very clear message about him keeping his promise to abolish c-68 etc.. and the consequences if he continues to fail to keep that promise. On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Keith wrote: > An excellent opportunity to give Mr. Harper the message Again and Again > > Keith > > Conservative Party of Canada > c7078b26&eíc856f1bf> > > Friend, > > Today, our Prime Minister turns 55. > > We've organized a small surprise for him – our sta ff are putting > together a birthday card, and I was hoping you would sign it. > > We'll be giving him the card later today – will yo u sign the card and > add your special birthday message for our Prime Minister? > > *http://www.conservative.ca/HappyBirthday > ^9ee09d91aa4d38e08f9a7c3&id~2de9c435&eíc856f1bf> > * > > Sincerely, > > Fred DeLorey > Director, Political Operations > Conservative Party of Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 12:02:04 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Three men arrested on gun charges http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Three+arrested+charges/9794866/story.html Three men arrested on gun charges The Starphoenix May 1, 2014 Three man aged 19 to 22 are facing firearms charges after leading police on a short chase through Asquith. On Tuesday, Saskatoon police got information about a man believed to be in Asquith with some illegal firearms, according to a news release. The Emergency Response Team tried to stop a vehicle on Highway 14 in relation to the information, but it sped away, leading to a short pursuit. Eventually, the vehicle became stuck and three men ran away on foot. All three were arrested shortly after. A search of the vehicle turned up a loaded rifle, brass knuckles, ammunition and a knife. All three men were scheduled to appear in provincial court Wednesday. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 1, 2014 12:37 pm From: "Dennis Young" Subject: The "more guns" argument and the FedEx tragedy The "more guns" argument and the FedEx tragedy Those statistics tell them that an armed guard is more likely to be a danger than a protection. By Jay Bookman Posted: 7:07 a.m. Thursday, May 1, 2014 - comment(250) http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jay-bookman/2014/may/01/more-guns-argument-and-fedex-tragedy/ Most important thing first: It appears that Christopher Sparkman, the 28-year-old FedEx security guard critically wounded in this week's mass shooting at a FedEx facility outside Kennesaw, will recover. That means the only fatality in the incident is likely to be the assailant, Geddy Kramer, a FedEx employee who later took his own life. It could have been much worse. In the wake of the shooting, gun-rights groups have noted that the facility was posted by FedEx as a gun-free zone, and that Sparkman, who was working as a security guard, was unarmed. The suggestion is that if other employees had been armed, or if Sparkman had been armed, at least some of the bloodshed could have been prevented. "We call on the Georgia General Assembly to eliminate all 'gun-free zones' in Georgia, and for private businesses with anti-gun policies to eliminate them at once," Patrick Parsons, executive director of Georgia Gun Owners, said in a statement afterward. "How many more have to be injured or die before we let law-abiding Georgians have the right to defend themselves at all times?" Sparkman's father-in-law, Russell Brannen, made a similar argument: "It's real unfortunate they didn't allow those security guards to be armed. Chris didn't stand a chance. The guy blew through the back door. The scales are tipped in the wrong direction when the security guard can't carry a sidearm. Had he been armed, he might have been able to stop the other five from being shot." Unfortunately, that argument does not stand up to scrutiny. Using the situation as described by Brannen, it assumes that a guard not trained to police standards, armed with a holstered handgun with the safety on as policy would dictate, could have pulled that weapon, switched the safety off, aimed accurately and fired that weapon, all in response to a pre-dawn surprise attack by an assailant who burst in on him with loaded shotgun blazing. I'm sorry: While I understand the sentiment, that is not a realistic scenario. Such claims grossly underestimate the speed with which such incidents play out, the panic and confusion that ensue, and the difficulty of responding effectively even for highly trained law-enforcement, which Sparkman is not. In fact, Loretta Worters, vice president of the Insurance Information Institute, told the AJC's Mike Kanell that insurance companies typically charge companies higher premiums when they use armed security at their facilities. The insurance companies don't base such decisions on political rhetoric or "liberal" sentiment: Their actuaries know the statistics -- that's what they do and that's how they make their money. Those statistics tell them that an armed guard is more likely to be a danger than a protection. READ THE REST: http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jay-bookman/2014/may/01/more-guns-argument-and-fedex-tragedy/ ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #251 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)