From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #260 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, May 9 2014 Volume 16 : Number 260 In this issue: Re: Harper's 'Gun-Grinder Trucks' photo Gun Control by Mark Steyn Hillary Clinton:: Gun Owners Can't Be Trusted CBC Exposed - A book review Food Stamp Recipients Should Be Able to Buy Guns with EBT ... Re: Harper recklessly smearing Canada's top judge Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #258 My message to anyone entering the shooting sports as a newbie: The Spectator's view: Gun amnesty program makes good sense CBC - James Murray Hinter faces weapons charges in Thunder Bay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 15:09:57 -0400 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: Harper's 'Gun-Grinder Trucks' photo While the goal is laudable IMO the tactics are not. I realize yes it can be effective.. but that said a fundamental part of the freedom to "bear arms" is also that of free speech. A company is in the business to make $ and so long as they are not actively taking a position in such "political" matters IMO they should be left alone. Now I don't know if Heinz did actively or not. I do know that put a large # of ppl out of work with only a fraction of which might be retained. I nor you have any idea what their position on firearms are... not w/o actually asking. But that said would it not be more effective to speak with and/or conduct a survey of some sort with such employees of X company before hand.. and as needed help educate them? Seems to me what is needed is sheer #'s on our side and how do you think those former Heinz workers would think about "us" if they learned what you said in your email alone? I somehow doubt they would be happy even if they are pro-gun. That in the end will only harm us as a whole. Instead helping to poll them and educate them could help with change from within instead including cases such as Heinz.. since if a large # of their employees speak up against any public "policy" in this manner (not counting firearms mfrs of course for obvious reasons) then that could have a far more lasting effect. That said as well... ultimately it is "freedom of speech" which we really do not have here in canuckistan sadly... but the most simple principle of such still applies and I will use one of my fav quotes which is beyond spot on. It is also something I firmly believe in and support since w/o this there is no real freedom for anyone. "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire PS: Yes the Anti's like cukier will try the same thing as was done w/Heinz... and the best way to counter that is with rational and logical thought and actions vs their emotional rhetoric. On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Joe Gingrich wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I've sent out photos of Harper's "Gun Grinder > Trucks" but I've not given credit to > my friend Don _ and his friend who broke the photo free from > Harper's nasty grasp on his CFP (Canadian Firearms Program) web site > http://ywcacanada.ca/data/research_docs/00000137.pdf , for us to peruse. > > If we can identify the truck chassis manufacturer and other modifying > parts and perhaps some tool manufacturers we will have a basis upon > which to > boycott these industries and make protests to them through various > methods > for actively participating in civil rights abusing activities with > Harper through their business. > > Therefore more close-up identifying photos are necessary for those > purposes so we > can target our concerns correctly. If you see one of Harper's > trucks try > to gather the necessary information with photos. Remember, the > Gun-Grabber Heinz boycott which brought down their sales volumn and > their > Leamington, Ont. branch along with others were sold to Warren Buffett. > We certainly can do it again. > > Yours in Tyranny, > Joe Gingrich > White Fox, Sask. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 8, 2014 1:16 pm From: "Dennis Young" Subject: Gun Control by Mark Steyn Gun Control by Mark Steyn . May 6, 2014 at 1:01 pm http://www.steynonline.com/6317/gun-control Aside from doing my bit for the First Amendment (your continued support is much appreciated), I've lately been taking a much greater interest in the Fourth Amendment, particularly since a meek mild-mannered mumsy employee of mine was unlawfully seized by an angry small-town cop last year. So I've been chewing over yesterday's Supreme Court ruling. The case began half a decade ago in Bellaire, Texas: During the early morning hours of New Year's Eve, 2008, police sergeant Jeffrey Cotton fired three bullets at Robert Tolan; one of those bullets hit its target and punctured Tolan's right lung. At the time of the shooting, Tolan was unarmed on his parents' front porch about 15 to 20 feet away from Cotton. Happy New Year! Auld Lung Syne: That's one acquaintance Mr Tolan won't soon forget. But it gets better. The only reason Sgt Cotton was emptying his gun into Mr Tolan was because his colleague, Officer Edwards, had mistransposed a digit when taking down Tolan's license plate, which is 696BGK. Instead, Officer Edwards entered into the database 695BGK, which came up stolen. As Mr Tolan and his cousin exit the vehicle, Officer Edwards draws his gun, orders them to the ground, and accuses them of stealing the car. "That's my car," says Tolan, but complies with the request to lie face down. It's worth noting that, in other countries with a different policing culture, a gun would not have been drawn and the officer would have asked to see the registration. Instead, hearing the commotion, Tolan's parents come downstairs in their pajamas and find their son and their nephew lying on the ground with a cop pointing a gun at them. Mrs Tolan explains, "Sir, this is a big mistake. This car is not stolen... That's our car." Again, in a different policing culture, an officer facing four family members insisting this is a family vehicle might wonder whether it is, as Mrs Tolan suggests, all a mistake - a small mistake, if not yet "a big mistake". And he might ask the lady if she has any proof of that: How long have they had it, where did they buy it, etc. Instead, he radios for back-up - because in America one heavily armed officer shouldn't have to deal with four unarmed civilians all on his own - and so the small mistake of a transposed number becomes a very big mistake. Sgt Cotton arrives, pistol drawn, and orders Mrs Tolan, a law-abiding person not accused of any crime, to stand against the garage door. She says, "Are you kidding me? We've lived here 15 years. We've never had anything like this happen before." Three people testified that Sgt Cotton grabbed her arms and slammed her into the garage door with such force that she fell to the ground. Mrs Tolan produced photographic evidence of bruising over her arms and back. Sgt Cotton disputed their testimony and the photographs. Nevertheless, young Tolan did not like seeing his mother assaulted: oth parties agree that Tolan then exclaimed, from roughly 15 to 20 feet away, 713 F. 3d, at 303, "[G]et your fucking hands off my mom." Record 1928. The parties also agree that Cotton then drew his pistol and fired three shots at Tolan. Tolan and his mother testified that these shots came with no verbal warning. Id., at 2019, 2080. One of the bullets entered Tolan's chest, collapsing his right lung and piercing his liver. While Tolan survived, he suffered a life-altering injury that disrupted his budding professional baseball career and causes him to experience pain on a daily basis. One strike, he's out. The District Court found for the coppers, and so did the Fifth Circuit, ruling that "Get your fucking hands off my mom" constituted a "verbal threat" and, from a guy on his knees 15-20 feet away, "an immediate threat to the safety of the officers" - rather than (as we approach Mother's Day) what ought to be the sentiment of any self-respecting young man seeing somebody physically assault his mom. The Supreme Court has now vacated the Fifth Circuit's decision, and "remanded the case for further proceedings" - because, after being shot for a misentered license plate digit, and after enduring five-and-a-half years of constant pain, what you really want is yet another go-round with a justice system that thinks this is all somehow consistent with routine police procedure. READ THE REST: http://www.steynonline.com/6317/gun-control ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:30:52 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Hillary Clinton:: Gun Owners Can't Be Trusted Firearm owner licensing and firearms registration schemes lead to victim disarmament. A trite statement "worn out by constant use, no longer having freshness or originality; stale."(1) Maybe not effective, eh? Oh, Canada. 1. Webster’s http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/07/Hillary-Clinton-Even-Fully-Licensed-Fully-Validated-Gun-Owners-Cannot-Be-Trusted Hillary Clinton: 'Fully Licensed, Fully Validated' Gun Owners Can't Be Trusted by AWR Hawkins 7 May 2014 On May 6th, Hillary Clinton gave a speech at a National Council for Behavioral Health conference in which she suggested that "fully licensed" and "fully validated" gun owners cannot be trusted to make sound decisions regarding gun usage. According to Politico, Clinton's said: At the rate we're going, we're going to have so many people with guns everywhere, fully licensed, fully validated, in settings where [one] could be in a movie theater, and they don't like someone chewing gum loudly or talking on their cell phone and decide they have the perfect right to defend themselves against the gun chewer or cell phone user by shooting. As Breitbart News reported, Clinton also criticized lenient gun laws in her May 6th speech. Saying the idea "that almost anyone can have a gun anywhere at any time" has "become almost an article of faith." She suggested that this is not beneficial and that gun laws need to be "reined in." Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 8, 2014 1:31 pm From: "Dennis Young" Subject: CBC Exposed - A book review CBC Exposed - A book review by Matthew Lau 2014-05-08 http://princearthurherald.com/en/politics-2/cbc-exposed-a-book-review-998 In his column published in the Sun newspapers last month, Lorne Gunter argued that the CBC should be privatized, blasting it as "the $1-billion, tax-funded, propaganda arm of the lib-left establishment." To call the state broadcaster the "propaganda arm of the lib-left establishment" seems a little hyperbolic at first, but as Gunter's Sun Media colleague Brian Lilley writes in his book CBC Exposed, the left-wing biases of the CBC are not hard to spot. For example, beginning in 1995, the fifth estate (CBC's investigative show) produced nine documentaries attempting (all failing) to prove that Brian Mulroney took illegal kickbacks when Air Canada bought a fleet of jets in 1988. At the end of the whole affair, the Government of Canada was forced to pay out $2.1 million to Mulroney for legal and other expenses. Richard Stursberg, the head of English services at CBC from 2004 to 2010, admitted in his own book that the fifth estate "had a long history of being beastly" to Mulroney. Then during the 2000 federal election campaign, the CBC attempted to paint Canadian Alliance leader Stockwell Day as a radical religious fundamentalist. The CBC's mini-documentary, called Fundamental Day, was described by Liberal war room strategist Warren Kinsella as "a gift descended from the heavens." The CBC's contempt for social conservatives was also evident in the 2006 election campaign, during which the CBC's coverage of social issues was, as Richard Stursberg put it, "worse than biased." He writes, "Canadians - particularly Albertans - who opposed abortion or gay marriage were treated by the CBC as uninformed hicks. They were lampooned as bible-thumping, born-again Rapture-o-philes." According to Brian Lilley's book, people who spent time in the CBC news department "described an environment that is fully hostile to anything that could be construed as conservative" and one CBC reporter regularly referred to the Conservatives as "those fuckers." Other sections of Lilley's book also describe the CBC's biases against gun owners or any other group that ran contrary to what Stursberg called the CBC's "soft left, anti-business, Toronto-centric, politically correct cultural assumptions." But even if you were to ignore the left-wing biases of the CBC, the idea of the government owning and funding a broadcaster is still a bad idea. The CBC has often been accused of using public money to compete with the private broadcasters, and as with any government institution, much of the annual $1 billion subsidy that taxpayers give the CBC every year is wasted. Richard Stursberg writes that the CBC had a "legendary inability to meet the most elementary tests of good management" and that the CBC's financial wounds were "brought on by weak management and a corrosive internal culture. The Corporation was the victim of its own weird set of ideas and the elitist directions they suggested." One reason for the CBC's lack of good business management was its board. According to Stursberg, "the CBC's board members are rarely expert in the media business. In fact, they may not be expert in any business at all." Over the past several years, Brian Lilley and his Sun Media colleagues have dug up numerous examples of outrageous wastes of tax dollars at the state broadcaster. CBC President Hubert Lacroix's travel expenses include hotel rooms that charge at least $100 more per night than similar hotels in the same area. In 2011, he spent $30,000 on expenses including $242 for a lunch for two. In CBC Exposed, Lilley notes that Sylvain Lafrance, the former CBC head of French services, dinged taxpayers for everything from $4,821 on flights that included a two-day stopover in Paris in 2008, to a $1.65 muffin in Ottawa. In 2009, Lafrance had lunch with a Liberal senator and billed the taxpayers $119. On top of all of this, ten CBC executives split an $888,699 bonus in March of 2009, while the private sector was bleeding jobs as a result of the economic recession. More egregious expenses could likely be uncovered had the CBC not spent $59,160 on shredding documents in anticipation of the Access to Information Act being passed in 2006. Wasteful spending at the CBC is also evident in their court battles. For example, in 1996, the CBC ran a defamatory documentary. The plaintiffs offered to settle for $50,000 and an apology, but the CBC declined. In April of 2000, the case finally came to a close. The Judge had called the broadcast "devastatingly defamatory of the plaintiff" and the plaintiffs were paid $1.15 million in damages and over $1 million for their legal fees. Adding in the CBC's own legal fees, the entire incident cost taxpayers about $5 million. In 2011, an Abacus Data poll revealed that 64% of Canadians believed it was wrong for the CBC to spend tax dollars on a court battle with Canada's ombudsman. Only 10% believed that the CBC was in the right. READ THE REST: http://princearthurherald.com/en/politics-2/cbc-exposed-a-book-review-998 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:35:51 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Food Stamp Recipients Should Be Able to Buy Guns with EBT ... ...Cards http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/07/NH-Rep-Welfare-Recipients-Should-Be-Able-To-Buy-Guns-With-EBT-Cards New Hampshire Rep: Food Stamp Recipients Should Be Able to Buy Guns with EBT Cards by AWR Hawkins 7 May 2014 On May 7th New Hampshire Representative Timothy Horrigan (D-Durham) stood on the state house floor and argued against legislation forbidding the use of EBT cards for guns, saying such a ban "is a blatant violation of the Second Amendment." The legislation--SB203--says: Any person who receives public assistance is prohibited from using an EBT card or cash obtained with an EBT card to gamble or to purchase tobacco products, alcoholic beverages, lottery tickets, firearms, or adult entertainment. SB203 also prohibits using "an EBT card or cash obtained with an EBT card" for "Tattoos and Body Piercing." In voicing opposition to the firearms ban, Horrigan said: The firearms ban is a blatant violation of the Second Amendment. Cash benefit recipients presumably have the same rights as the rest of us to purchase guns for hunting, sports shooting, or even self-defense. Obviously they don't have much money to spend on that, but they do have the right under the Second Amendment to do so. Horrigan said "the inclusion of a firearms ban [also seemed] ironic" because many of the bill's sponsors "were generally pro-Second Amendment." Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter @AWRHawkins Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: william stacey Subject: Re: Harper recklessly smearing Canada's top judge amen On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:45:31 AM, Jeff Young wrote: [Mod Note: Apologies. Somehow I lost the contact info on the last message. Here it is again with the contact info intact. BUZ] Harper is fully justified in criticizing this judge's decision. Judges are in no way beyond reproach. Joe, your constant barrage of anti-Harper drivel is really becoming quite sickening. I liked you much better when you wrote of matters related to firearms. Now, this forum has become to you little more than a soapbox from which you use the subject of firearms -- to attack Harper. Enough already. -----Original Message---- From: "Joe Gingrich" Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:01:31 To: Canadian Digest Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Harper recklesslysmearing Canada's top judge "He (Harper) can be suspicious, secretive, and vindictive, prone to sudden eruptions of white-hot rage over meaningless trivia, at other times falling into weeklong depressions in which he is incapable of making decisions," Flanagan writes in Persona Non Grata: The Death of Free Speech in the Internet Age. http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/denies+Harper+hobbled+depression/9743427/story.html "At what point do Conservatives of goodwill become concerned about the long-term damage being done to their party's reputation under its present leadership?" Harper should have resigned at the Conservative's National Convention in Calgary, 2013, as some Conservative delegates asked him to do. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/todays-paper/Harper+recklessly+smearing+Canada+judge/9810491/story.html Harper recklessly smearing Canada's top judge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 20:24:41 -0600 From: Rocky7 Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #258 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 09:35:32 -0600 > From: cfdmod@bogend.ca > Subject: [Fwd: Re: Harper recklessly smearing Canada's top judge] > > Joe, your constant barrage of anti-Harper drivel is really becoming quite > sickening. I liked you much better when you wrote of matters related to > firearms. Now, this forum has become to you little more than a soapbox > from which you use the subject of firearms -- to attack Harper. > > Enough already. Hear, hear! It’s like listening to the flip side of a CBC robot….and just as irritating. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 8, 2014 8:42 pm From: "mikeack" Subject: My message to anyone entering the shooting sports as a newbie: My message to anyone entering the shooting sports as a newbie: Welcome to the life! Just to start your firearms education: 1) All lawful shooters are our friends. I support them all, even if someone else's sport is something I do not personally like. For example, I don't particularly like trophy hunting, but as long as it is done ethically and legally I realize that it adds financial value to maintaining healthy animal populations and ecosystems, creates jobs in otherwise impoverished areas, and huge injections of funds into local economies and conservation programs. 2) There is no such thing as a bad gun. Guns have no volition of their own. They are just tools that will do what we ask of them. There is a huge range of interest in everything from single shot black powder antique muzzle loaders to fully auto, belt fed, crew served machine guns, and everything in between. All lawful gun use is good, even those activities I personally have no time for, interest in, or money for, and I support them all. 3) Guns are designed to launch projectiles in order to protect human and livestock life from predation, to provide food for the table, to help their owners win competitions, and to advance the engineering evolution of the industry. They are no more purposefully designed kill than are knives or baseball bats. 4) Assault is a verb not an adjective. There is no such thing as an "assault weapon". That is a term invented by the antis to besmirch us in the minds of the non-shooters, and make them fear us. The proper terms are "modern battle rifle", "personal defense firearm", and "modern sporting rifle". 5) Anything is a weapon when used to assault someone or some animal. The antis have been calling our tools "weapons" for a couple decades now. We should not help them denigrate us. I call my guns, "guns". 6) Anything can be used for good, unintentionally misused to cause harm, or intentionally abused for evil. The gun has no morality and is vastly more often safely used than misused or abused. 7) Guns are the only tools that can allow the old, the ill, the weak, the small, the female, and the few to effectively defend themselves against the young, healthy, strong, large, male mob intent on harming them. 8) Regarding firearms, a cop is a high school graduate who passed a security check, with about 20 hours of firearm training divided into 15 hours classroom and 5 hours on the range. They have no special secret powers. Most never handle their firearms outside of mandatory annual qualifications that require them to hit a human sized target from contact range to 7 meters. Compared to this, most lawful shooters will have much broader and deeper knowledge and experience with firearms than the police. The lawful gun owner is 1/3 as likely as the general population and 1/2 as likely as the police to ever be involved in criminal violence. The public has no problem allowing the police to carry guns in public and yet for some strange reason the thought of one of us doing so has them quaking in fear. And yet when someone calls 911, what they want is for someone else to bring a gun to their aid, a gun that would be much more useful in their hand at the moment when they are in the act of being attacked, than in the holster of a cop who is at best several minutes away. The bad guy is always the one to choose the time, manner, and place of their attack, and they will always do so to maximize their chances of success, not yours or the police's. If all you do is call 911, you will wait the rest of your tragically prematurely truncated life for help that will inevitably arrive in time to gather evidence from your body for presentation in court later. 9) Every jurisdiction that has gotten out of the way of lawful, trained, effective personal defense (AKA concealed carry) has seen huge declines in criminal violence. All the mass killings are in "Gun Free Zones". 95% of violence in America occurs in 5% of the land area, and those areas are typically "gun free" inner city. 10) The antis claim the moral high ground, stating that "if it just saves one life then it's worth it" to destroy the rights of millions to effectively defend themselves in order to futilely abuse the legal process to try to stop a few murders, and at a huge cost in life and freedom. The antis project their own self image onto us. They are the ones who would be dangerous with a gun, who are filled with impotent rage, not us. Thus endeth today's lesson. I hope you find it informative. Your homework, should you so desire is to read this: http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 8, 2014 10:42 pm From: "Dennis Young" Subject: The Spectator's view: Gun amnesty program makes good sense The Spectator's view: Gun amnesty program makes good sense http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/4505023-the-spectator-s-view-gun-amnesty-program-makes-good-sense/ Good on the Hamilton Police Service for extending its gun amnesty program. This local program, which began in early April, will continue until May 16. By this past Monday, police had collected 285 firearms, including 203 long arms (rifles, shotguns and pellet guns) and 82 handguns (pistols and pellet guns). As well, more than 13,000 rounds of ammunition have been collected by police. The program is simple. Call 905-818-9656. Police will arrange a time to pick up guns and/or ammo. No questions asked. No charges laid. And another gun is taken out of our community. The most recent local amnesty program was in 2006, when more than 1,200 firearms and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition were turned over to Hamilton police. Police stress the current amnesty program is timed to coincide with spring cleaning and is not a response to any spike in gun crimes in the city. Regardless, 99 firearms have been reported stolen in Hamilton in the past two years. Chances are those pieces weren't stolen for recreational target practice or by serious gun collectors. If this amnesty program reduces the risk of gun theft and - as a result - the risk of a crime involving a gun, that's good for all of us. Lee Prokaska ------------------------------ Date: Thu, May 8, 2014 10:57 pm From: "Dennis Young" Subject: CBC - James Murray Hinter faces weapons charges in Thunder Bay James Murray Hinter faces weapons charges in Thunder Bay CBC News Posted: May 01, 2014 1:16 PM ET Last Updated: May 01, 2014 4:36 PM ET http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/james-murray-hinter-faces-weapons-charges-in-thunder-bay-1.2628474 Thunder Bay police have charged a city man with firearms-related offences in connection with the seizure of weapons in September 2012. Police report they were called to an apartment in the 100 block of North Edward St. after a landlord discovered a number of firearms allegedly belonging to a former tenant. Officers seized 23 firearms, including eight handguns and a large quantity of ammunition. On Tuesday police located and arrested 53-year-old James Murray Hinter as a result of their investigation. Hinter is charged with unsafe storage of six firearms, and unauthorized possession of all 23 of the seized firearms. He has been released from custody on a promise to appear in court on May 27. CBC News has learned Hinter also goes by the name of James Murray, the president of the media website NetNewsLedger. He is a former executive member of the Alberta-based National Firearms Association, where he last served as President in 2005. In 2002, he was found not guilty in a Calgary court on a charge of careless use of a firearm. In an emailed statement to CBC News late Thursday, James Murray described himself as a gun collector. He said "everything was stored according to gun storage regulations...and I am confident that this will all be resolved." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #260 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)