From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #283 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, May 24 2014 Volume 16 : Number 283 In this issue: Re: Harper's Bill C-68's "Unilateral Prohibition Powers" Old Sparky returns in Tenn. amid lethal drug woes RE: Harper's Bill C-68's "Unilateral Prohibition Powers" Will you help them? Canadian Civil Liberties Association to challenge feds on ... Competition drew more than 100 young shooters to shoot trap, ... Restaurant with 'no concealed firearms' sign is robbed by ... Restaurant with 'no concealed firearms' sign is robbed by ... Author, Hollywood screenwriter and veteran says he could ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 22:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: william stacey Subject: Re: Harper's Bill C-68's "Unilateral Prohibition Powers"  http://www.chp.ca/better-solutions/defend-your-rights/gun-control/   we cant seem to find a popular party to support ,who will support us. maybe this is the one we should be looking to for our rights On Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:17:02 PM, Jeff Young wrote: Thank-you, Buz. I'm fairly certain that we all understand very well how the parliamentary numbering system functions. And, that Bill C-68 was the creation of the Chretien Liberals. And, that C-68 later became the greatly despised Firearms Act. And, finally, that Harper had no part in its creation. Bill C-68 is not Harper's. So, again, I would ask that we simply remain factual. {Mod Note: You, Jeff are missing the point. The Firearms Act became Harper's when he became Prime Minister, and did not follow through on his promise to eliminate it. And it will remain Harper's until he does eliminate it or loses an election. The fact that it was an abomination create by Chretien and Rock does not mean that the ownership of the mess does not pass on to the next person in charge. BUZ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 08:16:58 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Old Sparky returns in Tenn. amid lethal drug woes I once had a different opinion on capital punishment. However, after reading and hearing about several court cases where the defendants were wrongly convicted of serious criminal offenses and personally attending several court case with famous defense lawyer Doug Christie, I've become against the death penalty. The Montagues' case (brucemontague.ca) is an example where the police, the Crown persecutor and the Crown's hateful judge needed a ‘political’ conviction. These folks made certain that the Montagues were convicted. They sent Bruce, their political prisoner, to jail and tortured him not because he was violent but because they were angry with him for openly and peacefully protesting the Canadian Parliament's unjust gun law, Bill C-68. Being mad at some one is a no reason to send an individual to prison. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/23/tenn-brings-back-electric-chair/ Tennessee brings back electric chair during lethal injection drug scarcity Published May 23, 2014 Associated Press Facebook0 Twitter559 Gplus NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Tennessee has decided how it will respond to a nationwide scarcity of lethal injection drugs for death-row inmates: with the electric chair. Republican Gov. Bill Haslam signed a bill into law Thursday allowing the state to electrocute death row inmates in the event prisons are unable to obtain the drugs, which have become more and more scarce following a European-led boycott of drug sales for executions. Tennessee lawmakers overwhelmingly passed the electric chair legislation in April, with the Senate voting 23-3 and the House 68-13 in favor of the bill. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 07:26:50 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Harper's Bill C-68's "Unilateral Prohibition Powers" >we can't seem to find a popular party to support ,who will support us. >maybe this is the one we should be looking to for our rights On Thursday, Party politics is the problem, not the solution. Parties inevitably have their own agenda. It is party discipline that controls MPs, not their consciences for the most part and certainly not their constituents. When I ran in the last federal election I sat next to Mark Strahl, a kid who inherited his Conservative MPship from his dad Chuck, I strongly suspect with the collusion of the Conservative party of Canada and some members of the constituency association. When the audience addressed a question to the candidates I believe I was the only one who could answer honestly, since I was answering for myself. Mark would burst out into a sweat, fumble through the blue binder provided by his boss, the Conservative Party, and mutter out whatever response he found there, even if it wasn't particularly close to answering the question. When asked for clarification he would read the same answer from the binder a second time. The other candidates were better actors than Mark. You could tell the Conservatives were the only party that put the fear of God (Harper) into their candidates to that extent. I can't believe the blue binder wasn't required for all Conservative candidates and woe to the candidate who strayed from it. The Party will decide what dirty tricks are going to be used, whether or not the candidate wants to go along with it. You don't want the candidate on offer? The party will swap her out. With an independent what you see is much more likely to be what you get. The voters get to decide who they want to represent them to Ottawa, not the party deciding who they want to represent Ottawa to the voters. There is nothing from preventing like minded independents from working together on issues of common concern. There will be no party fabricating that concern and whipping the vote. 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 08:49:45 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Will you help them? Will you help them? John Barlow, Macleod Trevor Ellis, Scarborough-Agincourt Benjamin Sharma, Trinity-Spadina David Yurdiga, Fort McMurray-Athabasca They each face tightly-contested races, and daily attacks from the Liberals and NDP – every day until election day. Sincerely, Jaime Girard Director, Fundraising and Membership Services Conservative Party of Canada Email communications from: Conservative Party of Canada 1204-130 Albert St Ottawa, ON K1P 5G4 Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Dear Jaime, Every gun owner in Canada is facing daily attacks by the Harper Cons who harshley administer the Lieberals’ Bill C-68 to steal guns, property, imprison and torture responsible members of the Canadian firearms community. Slave Lake, High River, the Montagues, Len Miller, Alex Carlos, John Rew, Ed Hudson, Jim Turnbull, Ian Thomson, Kenneth Hurrell, Jonathan Logan come to mind with others too numerous to mention. Bill C-68 is the Lieberals’ law which the Conservative Party of Canada and its Leader Stephen Harper promised to repeal, but instead enforce. I will not fund, support or vote for those attempting to become Harper led thugs. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Fri, May 23, 2014 10:08 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: Canadian Civil Liberties Association to challenge feds on ... ...privacy laws Liberties association plans legal fight to challenge feds on privacy laws BY GIUSEPPE VALIANTE, NATIONAL BUREAU - UPDATED: WEDNESDAY, MAY 21, 2014 08:26 PM EDT http://www.torontosun.com/2014/05/21/liberties-association-plans-legal-fight-to-challenge-feds-on-privacy-laws OTTAWA - A private liberties group said Wednesday it will take the government to court for failing to protect our personal information. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) said Wednesday it will challenge part of Canada's privacy laws in Ontario Superior Court. Cara Zwibel with the CCLA, said her organization chose the legal response after last month's revelations by the Privacy Commissioner that government agencies make hundreds of thousands of requests a year to telecommunication companies for the private information of Canadians. Zwibel said the law is too vague and the wording doesn't stop the government from sending citizens' personal information to foreign governments. Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in April, in response to the commissioner's revelations, that police and other government agencies "always (request information) in according with the law. They always seek a warrant when they are required to do so." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, May 23, 2014 10:19 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: Competition drew more than 100 young shooters to shoot trap, ... ...double trap and skeet. Pakistan gets quota place in Youth Olympics shooting Thursday, May 22, 2014 From Print Edition http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-10-251497-Pakistan-gets-quota-place-in-Youth-Olympics-shooting KARACHI: Pakistan received on Wednesday one quota place in shooting for 2nd Youth Olympic Games (YOG), to be held in Nanjing, China, from August 16-28. The YOG Tripartite Commission after final allocation of Universality Places for Asian sportsmen allotted Pakistan one place in 10 metre Air Pistol Women (Youth) category. National Rifle Association of Pakistan (NRAP) after failing to get any quota place on the basis of performance of three shooters in the 7th Asian Air-gun Championship in Kuwait in March applied for 'hardship quota' and has now got one place. "We have three athletes in this category. One of them will get a chance to represent the country at Youth Olympics on this quota. As soon as we receive official confirmation from the Asian Shooting Federation in this regard, we will hold trials to select the best shooter," said Executive Vice President NRAP Razi Ahmed Khan while talking to 'The News'. ------------------------------ Lirio, youth shooting club continue busting clays The Moultrie Observer - May 22, 2014 http://www.moultrieobserver.com/sports/x1396860462/Lirio-youth-shooting-club-continue-busting-clays MOULTRIE - While many of the other graduates of the Colquitt County High School Class of 2014 head off to the beach or other vacation points, Tyler Lirio will continue his treks to Dunn Road to continue working toward his goal of making the 2016 U.S. Olympic shotgun team. In fact, Lirio decided to attend Abraham Baldwin College next fall so he won't be far from the South Georgia Youth Shooting Club facility near Hartsfield where he has developed into one of the country's top trap shooters. Lirio has a busy summer of top-level trap competitions this summer and helped prepare for them by shooting in last weekend's Georgia Junior Olympics Championships held at Coach Mike Simpson's facility on the Dunn Road. Lirio was the overall runner-up in trap, finishing behind South Georgia Youth Shooting Club teammate Ryne Barfield. Christian Salvanera of Fayetteville was third. Lirio also was on the Scholastic Clay Target Program's state championship team along with Barfield and Max Milan. The competition drew more than 100 young shooters to Colquitt County to shoot trap, double trap and skeet. Mike Simpson's young shooters dominated the competition. In skeet, the girls high overall was local shooter Morgan Goette, who won over Taylor McCoy of Douglas. The men's state champion was Trey Wright. Nash Sinclair of Eatonton was second and Brock Allen was third. READ THE REST: http://www.moultrieobserver.com/sports/x1396860462/Lirio-youth-shooting-club-continue-busting-clays ------------------------------ Date: Fri, May 23, 2014 11:06 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: Restaurant with 'no concealed firearms' sign is robbed by ... ...armed thugs Moment restaurant with 'no concealed firearms' sign is robbed by armed thugs (maybe they can't read) * Three men armed robbed The Pit Authentic Barbeque in Durham, North Carolina, and assaulted two employees * The owner had a sign posted on the door that said no weapons were allowed on the premises * Pro-gun groups say the incident is proof that banning weapons only prevents law-abiding citizens from defending themselves By Michael Zennie - Published: 00:57 GMT, 23 May 2014 | Updated: 07:42 GMT, 23 May 2014 Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2636911/Restaurant-no-concealed-firearms-sign-robbed-three-pistol-wielding-thugs.html#ixzz32YjhsZ9p Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook ---------------------- FOR THIS AND MORE FIREARMS & OUTDOORS NEWS SUBSCRIBE TO NFA DAILY MEDIA REPORTS E-MAIL: news@nfa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 11:14:40 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Restaurant with 'no concealed firearms' sign is robbed by ... ...armed thugs ''If it SAVES one life, it shall be worth it?"" Let me see? C-68 was passed Feb '95 by Allan Rock misleading parliament with forged RCMP statistics . Having 'bamboozled' parliament, the law was enacted. 2002, Bob and Bonnie Dagenais were home invaded and murdered, on the phone, calling the QPP for help. The fact, that they were unarmed, defenceless, seems to have escaped those MP's who passed a stupid law, going in . . That others have suffered the same fate: killed by a home invader and killed while dialling for help, equally is placed 'on ignore' by media, politicians, and the judiciary alike . . Ray Michaelson, Vancouver, stabbed to death ( AZAK) while dialling for help. From: Robert Michaelson Date: February 25, 2007 16:11:07 PST To: Len Miller Subject: Re: AZAK Len My neighbour has just retired from the VPD and remembers you retiring from when he joined 20 years ago; and your daughter who is currently a VPD officer. If this is you I have no problem talking about my father's case although I have been deliberately avoiding reminding myself of my father's death because it has weakened me emotionally. I would call it emotional incontinence. I also believe 1. VPD is understaffed/under funded.--a Vancouver city problem. It sounds like this is your issue and passion I can only complement all the officers involved in dad's case. I sent a complementary letter to the VPD chief . 2. The court system is too lenient and should not allow parole in murder cases. 3. The parole board should not be able to reduce sentences or offer day parole etc. $. Life for second degree murder is life......... not 10 years before parole. Regards Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Len Miller To: Robert michaelson Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: AZAK To Robert Michaelson. As a senior and resident close (enough) to where your father was murdered , you may be assured the crime has not lost its sting with me. I did try to get your phone number from Port Alberni, but nothing showed. I have been, and still am using this case to protest weak-fish prosecutions and worse sentences. I teach citizen's rights (vis-a-vis home invasions ) There are many on your side, but few take the time to tell you, May I speak with you? Len Miller Det retired Vancouver Police department 604 321 3561 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- To Suzanne Anton, who refused to address concerns while running for Council . . saying Call me AFTER the election . . Well, it's after the election . . and it's gotten much worse . . 'on your watch' . Drive by shootings? Home invasions where seniors are beaten, killed ? Diminishing our police to the point where criminals are the only ones who patrol our lanes and streets? Dial 911 and die? I'll shut up when you start doing your job. After all, it's my taxes you are squandering . . -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Woman convicted of murder in home invasion Retired fisheries worker left by killer to die in pain, tearful son says after verdict Neal Hall, Vancouver Sun Published: Friday, March 24, 2006 VANCOUVER - The son of an 84-year-old Vancouver man stabbed to death in a home invasion two years ago sobbed Thursday when a jury convicted his dad's killer of second-degree murder. The jury began deliberating at noon Monday and on Wednesday told B.C. Supreme Court Justice Deborah Satanove that it was deadlocked and unable to reach a verdict. At noon Thursday, however, the jury returned to unanimously convict 23-year-old Hannah Azak of the second-degree murder of Ragnar (Ray) Michaelson on July 28, 2004. Azak received the mandatory sentence of life in prison with no parole eligibility for at least 10 years. The judge will decide today if the crime justifies imposing a parole ineligibility period greater than 10 years. "The two weeks of trial have been the most gut-wrenching experience," Robert Michaelson, the victim's son, said outside court. "This woman murdered my father and left him to die in pain." Michaelson was found clutching a phone, suggesting he was trying to call for help after he was attacked in his home. Azak tried to steal his car but crashed it as she tried to back it out of the carport. Neighbours alerted by the noise called police. Azak was arrested walking down the street a few blocks away. She was carrying a bloody butcher knife and $115 in cash stolen from Michaelson's wallet. "Without the neighbours, she would have [escaped]," said the son, who also credited the effort of the Vancouver police, victim services and prosecutors Mike Luchenko and Cecilia Chan for securing a conviction. Michaelson said he hopes Azak receives more that the 10-year minimum for parole ineligibility. "I don't want to see her out in my lifetime," said the 60-year-old former systems engineer at the Port Alberni mill of Catalyst Paper, who took early retirement after his father was murdered. He said Azak -- she testified she was too drunk to form an intent to kill -- is a manipulative liar. Defence lawyer Terry La Liberte had urged the jury to convict his client of manslaughter. The son recalled in his victim-impact statement to the court that his father worked in the fishing industry from age 14 and retired at 73. He later cared for his wife of 62 years, Evy, who had Alzheimer's disease and died 21/2 months before his murder. "The twilight of my father's life should have been peaceful and easy for him, He had earned it," the son said. After the jury announced its verdict, the judge asked the jury if it wanted to make a recommendation of parole ineligibility between 10 and 25 years. Four of the jurors decided to make no recommendation, four decided a period of 10 years was suitable and four chose a period of between 15 and 20 years. After a break while the jury came to its recommendations, Azak returned to court with tears in her eyes. The court was told earlier that she had had a baby while in custody, which has been put in foster care. She was originally from the Prince Rupert area and came to Vancouver with her boyfriend, who became a crack addict in the Downtown Eastside. nhall@png.canwest.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Len Miller from Vancouver . . where city council is catering to the criminals Damn ! It was a capital crime . . ( now treated no greater than 'J' walking ) thanks to our feckless MP's . . are you paying attention Ed Fast ?? And yet, and yet, police forces confiscate firearms from seniors . with no justification . . just as they were entering the most vulnerable time of their lives . when a gun is needed?## chief Blair, toronto, 1,200 guns from seniors, then bugling of 'getting those guns 'OFF THE STREET' Toronto media . . See VPD chief Jim Chu, seizing the guns of a senior in dispute over compulsory smart meter installation . . Where is it written that police take sides, a civil matter and punish the citizen?? ## Len sez: you don't need a gun, until you need a gun . . then, you need one real bad . . Bill Rose, home invasion . Abbotsford, BC . . saved by his gun Dennis Galloway Port Alberni BC . . ( robbery in progress) Dennis is a hero, in my eyes . Len Miller 604 321 3561 Det. retired Vancouver Police Department > From: "Dennis Young" > Date: May 23, 2014 10:06:23 AM PDT > To: "FIREARMS DIGEST" > Subject: Restaurant with 'no concealed firearms' sign is robbed by armed thugs > > Moment restaurant with 'no concealed firearms' sign is robbed by armed thugs ( maybe they can't read ) NOT FUNNY . . > > · Three men armed robbed The Pit Authentic Barbeque in Durham, North Carolina, and assaulted two employees > > · The owner had a sign posted on the door that said no weapons were allowed on the premises > > · Pro-gun groups say the incident is proof that banning weapons only prevents law-abiding citizens from defending themselves > > > By Michael Zennie - Published: 00:57 GMT, 23 May 2014 | Updated: 07:42 GMT, 23 May 2014 > > Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2636911/Restaurant-no-concealed-fi rearms-sign-robbed-three-pistol-wielding-thugs.html#ixzz32YjhsZ9p > > Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook > > ---------------------- > > FOR THIS AND MORE FIREARMS & OUTDOORS NEWS SUBSCRIBE TO NFA DAILY MEDIA REPORTS E-MAIL: news@nfa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 00:08:49 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Author, Hollywood screenwriter and veteran says he could ... ...kill again over guns http://jpfo.org/articles-assd04/codrea-kill-again-over-guns.htm Author, Hollywood screenwriter and veteran says he could kill again over guns By David Codrea, May 23rd 2014 JPFO writer contributor, © 2014. "He's discovered that if he writes something obnoxious about gun owners it rewards him with massive hits," I told readers at my blog, "The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance," explaining why I wasn't going to link to the latest anti-gun Esquire screed by Lt. Col. Robert Bateman. "I'm not going to help him get them. "The best way to shut him down is ignore him," I explained. "It's not like the hive minds that agree with him aren't already lost." Besides, I'd already written about that character before and suspected from the way his piece was being shared with irate gun owners that he'd discovered a trick not unlike a lab chimp pressing a colored button to release a food pellet. If he's going to fling offensive materials, let him do so without an audience to continue encouraging foul output. It may appear I'm going back on that decision with this article, but it's not Bateman's subversive attention-seeking that caught my eye this time. It's a more interesting reader comment left under the column by someone who agrees with him, and one that gives us a revealing insight into what passes for the mind of a hostile anti-gunner. "A couple years ago, a gun nut I know was 'playfully' asking me why I didn't get a gun and do some target shooting, which he claimed was 'fun,'" Top Commenter Thomas Cleaver recalled. "I asked him 'If I get a gun, will it be OK to shoot you? Don't worry, I've shot and killed people before, and I'm way past getting upset at seeing you lying on the floor with your brains splattered on the wall. Been there long ago.' "We have never talked about guns since. (And yes, I have shot and killed people. In Vietnam. And that's why I haven't had a gun since.)," Cleaver explained. "But there are days when I think that may turn out to be the only way we deal with these fatheaded morons." There's certainly not much point in having that "national conversation on guns" the antis are duplicitously asking for with this guy, is there? His sentiment does raise other questions, though. For instance, why are some anti-gunners such apparently violent head cases who fear they will lose control, and who then come up with justifications for doing so? What does that say about why they cannot, they must not trust anyone else? And isn't Cleaver's admission an argument for arming ourselves in the face of such potential homicidal maniacs walking freely among us? But why single him out? There are plenty of deranged and ethically-impaired trolls out there. What makes him noteworthy? The thing is, this guy isn't just your average comment poster. He's a guy with Hollywood credits. He's a published author. "I also spent three years in the Navy in naval aviation as an enlisted sailor in the years immediately prior to and during the outbreak of that waste of 58,000 American lives and God knows how many Asian lives, Vietnam," he says in his Amazon.com bio. He was working in the operations office for an admiral, he relates in an online recollection of the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Some comment posters are not seeing a connection, and are asking Cleaver to elaborate on when and where he "shot and killed people before," but so far, he has not responded. Still, as interesting as learning that bit of personal history might be, it's his current state of mind that's most revealing, especially if he believes "there are days when I think [shooting and killing gun owners] may turn out to be the only way." His violently-expressed and bizarre hostility appears to be a classic case of what Sarah Thompson, M.D. pointed out in her brilliant and insightful analysis, "Raging against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines the Anti-Gun Mentality." Looked at in that context, what else would we expect from a raging "progressive" who evidently believes "Humans a cancer on the planet"? Someone who, incidentally, revealed in the bio blurb on his above-linked Navy experiences that "he does take pride that he personally raised $350,000 for Obama in 2008"...? If it's true, as that blurb also tells us, that he "is frequently accused by his fellow lefties of not being left enough," one can only imagine what they must have in mind for any who believe in a different relationship with government than the one they demand. Although we do have history to give us some clues... Was this information valuable to you? If so, please consider donating, becoming a member or renewing your membership, or buying a DVD, book, tee-shirt, or other gear at our JPFO store. David Codrea is a field editor at GUNS Magazine, penning their monthly "Rights Watch" column. He provides regular reporting and commentary at Gun Rights Examiner and blogs at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance. Yours in Freedom, The Liberty Crew at JPFO Protecting you by creating solutions to destroy "gun control" Our mailing address is: jpfo@jpfo.org P.O. 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