From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #938 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, October 22 2015 Volume 16 : Number 938 In this issue: "Cologne gang stole from churches to fund ISIS"-...... "France reveals plan to search rail passengers" thelocal .fr "Kitchener, Ont., arrow death: 5 facts about bows and arrows in TORONTO SUN - Now what, Prime Minister Trudeau? "CBC hates Conservatives more than they love rape victims" From: REASON.COM - Does Hillary Clinton Want Your Guns? "James Forcillo jury hears Sammy Yatim's last words" "Man charged with attempted murder in east-end shooting" "Guns and drugs seized by RCMP in Churchill"-CBC "A kingdom for a niqab" - Tarek Fatah- Tor. Sun Gavin McInnes on Canada's election result "Sammy Yatin shooting video like watching a horror flick...... Ron Charach letter to the editor Nat. Post. And then there's the Senate... Re: And then there's the Senate... Regarding: Re: Voting for Mr. Harper ?? Liberal Majority Re: And then there's the Senate... Tories brought down by their own cynicism ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:14:21 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Cologne gang stole from churches to fund ISIS"-...... ......(thelocal .de) versus "German hunter shoots elephant in Africa" Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Guess which of these stories gets massive international news coverage? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3274724/Anger-biggest-elephant-shot-living-memory-killed-German-hunter-Zimbabwean-game-park.html Posing with his kill: German hunter pays �39,000 to shoot largest elephant in Africa for 50 YEARS - just three months after Cecil the Lion was slain � A German hunter reportedly paid $60,000 for a permit to hunt the animal as part of an 21-day organised hunt � The elephant's tusks weighed 122 pounds and dragged along the ground ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.thelocal.de/20151020/cologne-gang-stole-from-churches-to-fund-isis National The alleged gang in court in Cologne. Photo: DPA Cologne gang 'stole from churches to fund Isis' Published: 20 Oct 2015 15:56 GMT+02:00 Eight young men appeared in court in Cologne on Tuesday charged with robbing churches and schools to finance Isis' religious war in Syria. When they broke into churches they stole collection boxes, crosses and other objects �dedicated to church services and religious veneration� prosecutors allege. From the schools, the men stole laptops, money and a cash card, which they used to finance jihadist fighters in the Syrian civil war, alleged chief prosecutor Nadja Gudermann. Security measures were heightened around the Cologne city court as the men were brought from police detention. During the burglaries, which took place between 2011-14, the men are alleged to have stolen �19,000 worth of goods and often seriously damaged the premises before they left. How much of the money actually reached fighters in Syria is unknown and will not be addressed in the trial. The central figure in the gang was a Moroccan, prosecutors say, who also uploaded a video to YouTube encouraging Muslims to fight for Isis. He himself appears in the German section of the video. Prosecutors allege that the 26-year-old Moroccan travelled to Syria where he was trained in a military camp. Three of the men are also charged with supporting a foreign terrorist organisation and will face a concurrent trial in D�sseldorf. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:35:28 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "France reveals plan to search rail passengers" thelocal .fr ("Show my your papers, please." says the police officer in the WW2 era b&w movie. If the Via Rail bombers(sentenced to life) had succeeded this would be rail/bus passenger protocols here. Remember the Madrid bombings over 200 were killed and many more injured. The five passengers who took down the terrorist on the train in France, that was taken not as an, only react to the death toll, but to learn from close calls. Security costs will soon be cutting into social, health and retirement programs.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.thelocal.fr/20151020/france-reveals-plan-to-search-rail-passengers Photo: AFP France reveals plan to search rail passengers Published: 20 Oct 2015 08:25 GMT+02:00 Rail security guards will be able to search suspicious passengers at train stations and on the Paris Metro under new plans to boost security on public transport put forward by the French government this week. The French government on Monday announced a series of measures to beef up security on public transport following a thwarted attack on a high-speed train between Amsterdam and Paris. A bill on the proposed measures is to be debated in the French parliament next month with the government hoping that the new measures will be adopted by early next year. In order to fight more effectively against "terrorist acts" and "serious attacks on public security", rail security guards could be permitted to search bags or conduct "security pat-downs", said a statement by Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve and Transport Minister Alain Vidalies. Luggage searches would only be undertaken with the passenger's consent, but in the event of a refusal, the passenger could be prevented from travelling. "If they refuse to be searched then they will be left on the platform in the same way customers in shops are not allowed in if they refuse to be checked," a source close to the Interior Minister told Le Figaro newspaper. Under the new legislation, police and gendarmes, who have not so far not been permitted to search passengers luggage, could be given the same powers. Rail security officials could also operate under cover. The new measures have been drawn up following a foiled attack by a heavily-armed gunman on a packed high-speed train in September. The attack was blocked by several quick-thinking passengers, among them two off-duty US servicemen, who prevented what officials said would otherwise have turned into a massacre. ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:16:21 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca (Majordomo) Subject: "Kitchener, Ont., arrow death: 5 facts about bows and arrows in Canada- CBC From: Larry James Fillo Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:02:30 -0600 Message-Id: <14E45141-7366-4657-A747-B53803912EDA@shaw.ca> Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Yes, they know about as much about archery as they do about firearms and again, implied as a public threat requiring ... William Tell and Robin Hood were both men figuring in the time of the Magna Carta uprisings and the tossing out of the Austrian monarchy from Switzerland. Their cultural Marxist narrative will never stop. Their budget will jump massively by spring though, regardless of how many Cdns. watch/read = them. The Liberal government will. --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------- http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/bow-and-arrow-facts-kitch=ner-waterloo-1.3260335= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:30:06 -0600 From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: TORONTO SUN - Now what, Prime Minister Trudeau? TORONTO SUN - Now what, Prime Minister Trudeau? During the campaign, Trudeau promised his government would "require firearms vendors to keep records of all firearms inventory and sales" and to whom guns are sold BY LORNE GUNTER , POSTMEDIA NETWORK - UPDATED: TUESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2015 07:41 PM EDT http://www.torontosun.com/2015/10/20/now-what-prime-minister-trudeau ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:32:38 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca (Majordomo) Subject: "CBC hates Conservatives more than they love rape victims" From: Larry James Fillo Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:44:10 -0600 Message-Id: <37578846-37A5-4D82-9901-E8E5091D3637@shaw.ca> Hang in there to the CBC interview with Steve Mamon who goes to Iraq/Syria to rescue Christian and Yazidi women. .......therebel .media Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Then remember that quote, I posted from the Titanic memorial, recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOp8I_vhs4o&feature=youtu.be ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:02:17 -0600 From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: REASON.COM - Does Hillary Clinton Want Your Guns? REASON.COM - Does Hillary Clinton Want Your Guns? The Democratic presidential candidate thinks Australia's mass confiscation of firearms "is a good example." Jacob Sullum | October 21, 2015 https://reason.com/archives/2015/10/21/does-hillary-clinton-want-your-guns Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:57:31 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "James Forcillo jury hears Sammy Yatim's last words" http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/forcillo-trial-yatim-shooting-1.3279911 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:49:54 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Man charged with attempted murder in east-end shooting" Man charged with attempted murder in east-end shooting 24-year-old facing several charges, police looking for another suspect CBC News Posted: Oct 20, 2015 3:19 PM ET Last Updated: Oct 20, 2015 4:21 PM ET Police have charged a man with attempted murder in connection with a shooting near Dundas Street East and Greenwood Avenue on Monday night. (Tony Smyth) A man has been charged with attempted murder in connection with a shooting in the Dundas Street East and Greenwood Avenue area Monday night. Police allege that a 48-year-old man was shot after a dispute broke out between the two men in a home close to the intersection. The victim was sent to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. Police say a 24-year-old man faces eight other charges, including conspiracy to commit murder, careless use of a firearm, and possession of a prohibited firearm. Police say another man was involved in the shooting and are seeking the public's help in locating him. He is described as having an olive complexion, six feet three inches tall, and is considered armed and dangerous. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/man-charged-with-attempted-murder-in-east-end-shooting-1.3280499 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Obviously, this suspect must have been a "grandfathered" prohibited with a R.P.A.L. issued by the RCMP, right? As for the 2nd guy, "having an olive complexion", this is as close to a description the politically correct CBC will ever allow. But since all those possessing firearms must be licensed (R.)P.A.L. holders, all the police have to do is search their database for those of "olive complexion". Clearly, I could star in one of those T.V. crime shows, but I think the script would be soon rewritten to have my character killed off early. ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:26:38 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Guns and drugs seized by RCMP in Churchill"-CBC Guns and drugs seized by RCMP in Churchill CBC News Posted: Oct 21, 2015 1:30 PM CT Last Updated: Oct 21, 2015 1:31 PM CT RCMP seized drugs, four guns and ammunition after receiving a warrant to search a Churchill home Tuesday. Three males � two 17 year olds and a 16 year old � have been charged with: � Unauthorized firearm possession � Possession of dangerous weapons � Unsafe firearm storage � Possession of a prohibited weapon with ammunition � Possession of a firearm obtained by crime � Possession of a firearm with obliterated serial number RCMP said two of the suspects are also facing charges for assault causing bodily harm, while another will be charged with possession of a controlled substance for the purposes of trafficking. The three males remain in custody. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/guns-and-drugs-seized-by-rcmp-in-churchill-1.3282389 ==================================================== (Note- the format of this article put the greater emphasis on the firearms charges. Listed at the end of article, almost as an afterthought are "assault causing bodily harm and the trafficking of drugs. The MSM has their emphasis, so do the Liberals/NDP on inanimate objects. It's part of those of bad character no longer being held morally or legally responsible for their acts. ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:42:26 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "A kingdom for a niqab" - Tarek Fatah- Tor. Sun The war within Islam is about to break out within the Liberal caucus. If the Islamist win the RCAF will be called back to Canada, Iran's embassy will re-open(to the fear of it's refugees) and Pakistan's Generals will cozy up, too. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca There is more than one group of peaceful citizens who have reason to fear this new Liberal regime. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.torontosun.com/2015/10/20/a-kingdom-for-a-niqab ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:09:53 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Gavin McInnes on Canada's election result Canadian ex-pat satirist, of Scottish extraction, comments on the election result. If you can't laugh ... I mean really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZscWceyY9Fg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:06:14 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Sammy Yatin shooting video like watching a horror flick...... ......but it was real" - C. Blatchford, Nat. Post Tragic, and obvious why there is a trial. A jury/judge gets to see the main facts in a video, so does the public. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-new-sammy-yatim-videos-like-watching-a-horror-flick-but-it-was-real ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:41:36 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Ron Charach letter to the editor Nat. Post. Overpowered pistols the problem Re: How Eight Shots Ended Yatim�s Life, Christie Blatchford, Oct. 21. This article along with the compelling amateur video demonstrate the extinguishing of a human life takes seconds and the bullets that waste a human life are fired in milliseconds. It seems over as soon as it�s begun. To the wise calm of the heroic Toronto Transit Commission driver, we should add the wisdom of all Greater Toronto Area police officers who hesitate to draw, then doubly hesitate to fire these overpowered pistols. How terribly sad is it that the chaotically behaving Sammy Yatim wanted to call his dad. Had someone promised or actually offered him a cigarette, or a bottle of water, instead of a lethal death threat, how much more compliant would he have become? This should be a trial on the use of semi-automatic weapons by first-responders (i.e., as opposed to SWAT team officers) as much as a trial of Cont. James Forcillo. The new killing technology is too good, too lively. We must rethink everything we thought we knew about guns and the need to control and contain their use in our society. Ron Charach, Toronto. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The most prolific of the hoplophobia writers of letters to the editor. Charach argues that, apart from SWAT, police should not be issued firearms, especially those first responders. While the trial of the Tor. officer is, given the video evidence well justified, generalizing that to justify disarming every first responding officer does expose Charach's underlying premise. This is posted for reference to any future letter he writes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:50:29 +0000 From: "J.D. Young" Subject: And then there's the Senate... Senate Standings @ dissolution... 47 CPC 29 LPC 7 IND 22 Vacant 105 Total I remember 'someone' suggesting repeatedly that those 22 open seats, left intentionally vacant by PM Harper, could ultimately be filled with NDP or Liberal ass -- and that meaningful change to our unnecessarily onerous and ridiculously useless gun regs would not occur, not only for four short years as was often suggested, but rather for decades to come... If you are a gun owner and voted for anything but CPC, you are not a friend of this community or its cause. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:22:53 +0000 (UTC) From: william stacey Subject: Re: And then there's the Senate... 100% correct Mr. Young On Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:42 AM, J.D. Young wrote: Senate Standings @ dissolution... 47 CPC 29 LPC 7 IND 22 Vacant 105 Total I remember 'someone' suggesting repeatedly that those 22 open seats, left intentionally vacant by PM Harper, could ultimately be filled with NDP or Liberal ass -- and that meaningful change to our unnecessarily onerous and ridiculously useless gun regs would not occur, not only for four short years as was often suggested, but rather for decades to come... If you are a gun owner and voted for anything but CPC, you are not a friend of this community or its cause. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:04:53 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Regarding: Re: Voting for Mr. Harper ?? Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:00:23 -0400 From: Paton Subject: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:00:23 -0400 From: Paton Subject: Re: Voting for Mr. Harper ?? Well we did it. Prime Minister TRUDEAU Well we did it. Prime Minister TRUDEAU ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, Gun-grabber Harper's out. Gun-grabber Trudeau's in and armed with Harper's enhanced Bill C-68. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:58:46 -0700 From: stillwaters@xplornet.ca Subject: Liberal Majority To all those gun owners who voiced their anti-Harper sentiments on this forum and willingly admitted to not voting CPC, Thanks - for nothing. We are grateful that you outed yourselves, thereby removing all doubt. You got your little ego boost and I'm sure you gloated as the Red Tide swept across the nation, condemning us to a Liberal regime and a very uncertain future for firearms ownership in this country. You got your wish, Harper was defeated, along with any hopes we had for meaningful support of our cause from government. Perhaps we are misjudging you, as you obviously serve a higher, more principled calling above the muck and mire of ground level politics, but that is where it happens and that is where the battle is fought. From here on, please spare us further commentary, confining your diatribe to other outlets. Not that your individual votes could have altered the outcome, but it showed a lack of solidarity with your peers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:03:07 -0600 From: Roger Walker Subject: Re: And then there's the Senate... > On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:50 AM, J.D. Young wrote: > If you are a gun owner and voted for anything but CPC, you are not a > friend of this community or its cause. We are all our own worst enemies for continuing to be disorganized and not united in a political manner. It's fine for there to be a variety of groups representing each subgroup's interests (sport, competition, etc.),but there should be one POLITICAL party that fully supports legitimate firearms owners legal and political interests as a solid platform. Perhaps it is our country's faulty political system that makes strategic voting and other concepts so difficult. I am not suggesting creating a one-platform party, like the Pirate Party. If we were to create our own party, it would have to include many other platforms that essentially boil down to doing the right thing. From my point of view, we have two choices. First is to create our own party from scratch. Second is to support an existing party that matches our philosophy well. As we have already done this with the CPC, by giving them a majority and trying to hold them to their promises to us, I cannot advocate we have anything further to do with them. As I had to scramble to find alternatives to the big three in my riding (which went NDP again, Sigh!), I found the Libertarian Party candidate. When I checked their platform, they actually seemed to be real libertarians, meaning they want to reduce the size of government, reducing taxes in the process, and essentially allow people to what they want as long as reasonable care is taken to ensure that others are not hurt by their actions. Get rid of victimless crimes, like the ones we so often see on this list, related to owning firearms. Now, whether or not they actually have a concrete plan and proposed legislation for all of these things, including firearms, one of their major platforms, in place, I do not know. However, I do believe that if we decide, today, to fully support this existing party, it should be possible to have a candidate in every riding before the next election. Easier than starting a new party. Safer than depending on a party that lies to us. Better than vote splitting, as long as they do have enough platforms that everyone actually want. If we do not start now, with a common priority and direction, we will simply lose again. We have to decide what things are most important. Disclosure - I do not own any firearms, but I do believe in their necessity. Roger Walker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:32:16 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Tories brought down by their own cynicism No sort of conservative could really feel the Harper government represented them: not fiscal conservatives, $150 billion in debt later; not social conservatives, forbidden even to say the word "abortion"; certainly not old-time Reformers, the sort of people who went into politics to make governments and leaders more accountable, not less.--- Coyne Not the 5 to 7 million members of the Cdn. firearms community ---------Harpers enhanced Lieberals Bill C-68 gun law with minimum sentences for violators, gun-grinder trucks, ammunition burners, massive troop invasions of innocent firearms owners homes, firebombings, massive confiscation of legally held firearms, confiscation of tons of legally held ammo, intimidation, allowed gun license system hacking, the Imposter, Harper, revealing his anti-gun stance (gun controls work) on his CBC after attaining a majority govt., continuing the Lieberal's victim disarmament pogrom (we will keep this system that works.).Harper's atrocious culture war against the Canadian firearms community Who the dupe, who could not foretell what Harper intended for this group in a ROUND TWO?. Please stand up. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox source: 1. The Nipawin Fish and Game League=E2=80=99s 2014 Firearms Committee = Report http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/coyne+tories+brought+down+their+cynici= sm/11458684/story.html Coyne: Tories brought down by their own cynicism By Andrew Coyne, National Post October 22, 2015 When people come to recall the Harper government, the face they remember first may not be his. It may be one of the people he appointed to speak for him - his parliamentary secretaries, Dean Del Mastro, Paul Calandra and Pierre Poilievre. Two of the three are departed from public life, but their faces - cunning, caustic, old before their time - are burned into the public mind, glowing symbols of the culture that took hold at the top of the Conservative party. It is that culture that, more than anything, was responsible for their defeat. To be sure, the party ran a terrible campaign - listless, directionless, divisive - but the campaign was a product of the same culture, and in any case the election was lost long before the campaign began. It wasn't the economy that condemned them to just 32 per cent of the vote (second-worst, for the parties of the right, since 1968), and it wasn't their policies. It was what the party, at its most senior levels, had become: the values, the attitudes, the way it talked, how it acted, its overall approach to politics and government, all of which betrayed a deep, unrelenting, almost poisonous cynicism. It is unclear whether the party understands what has just happened to it, or rather what it has just done to itself: for seldom was a loss more self-inflicted. The post mortems in the press are full of the inevitable anonymous finger pointing about divisions within the campaign team, or the failings of their voter identification model, or the lack of adequate screening of candidates. It isn't about that. Nor is it about some inescapable 10-year timetable that dictates voter fatigue with incumbents. It isn't even about Stephen Harper, at least in the trivial sense that people "just didn't like" him. It's true that Harper is not the warmest person you're liable to meet. But Canadians did elect him, more than once, until he and his party made their presence in power intolerable. Only four years ago, indeed, it appeared the country was on the verge of a realignment; the new Conservative coalition, of the West and Ontario, seemed built to last. That the Tories should have thrown it all away since then is a remarkable testament to what arrogance, paranoia and an obsession with control can do. There have been worse defeats, it is true: the party has a base to rebuild on. But unless the culture changes, it should not count on being returned to power any time soon. We should be clear where the roots of that culture lie. The nastiness of Tory politics under Harper, the mindless partisanship, the throttling of backbench MPs, are not outgrowths of conservatism. They were born, rather, of its repudiation: of the decision to sterilize the new party of any ideological convictions, the better (it was supposed) to remove any obstacle to its electability. Politics fills a vacuum: in the absence of substantive differences with your opponents, partisanship takes its place. If, what is more, a party no longer stands for much as a party, then its policies will default to whatever the leader decides. And the leader, having been given that power and that assignment - win at all costs - can tolerate no deviations from MPs still under the impression that the party harbours some lingering principles. There has been much talk of how Red Tories were made to feel unwelcome in the party. But the truth is no sort of conservative could really feel the Harper government represented them: not fiscal conservatives, $150 billion in debt later; not social conservatives, forbidden even to say the word "abortion"; certainly not old-time Reformers, the sort of people who went into politics to make governments and leaders more accountable, not less. The only party faction that was really served was the yahoo faction, the "toxic Tories" as a friend calls them, to whom this government truckled and whose loyalty was rewarded in turn. MPs who were willing to say the opposite of what they believed, or believe the opposite of the facts, were promoted; those who were not found themselves out of cabinet, or indeed out of the party. The people around Harper, always convinced of their own cleverness, grew drunk on their own cynicism. Having made the initial compromise with their principles - on policy - they found the next much easier, and the next, until they became contemptuous of anything resembling a principle, or anyone still able to discern a line - political, personal, ethical - he would not cross. All criticism only confirmed the rightness of their position: the press were out to get them, the bureaucracy was out to get them, the courts were out to get them - and the academics were even worse. Within the party, the circle of loyalty grew narrower and narrower, even as the party itself left broader and broader swaths of society outside it: the young, the universityeducated, women, even the minorities it had been so eager to court. The damage that has been done is far greater than this defeat. It isn't just the Conservatives who have lost favour with the public: it's conservatism. It has been so long since Conservatives put forward any bold or radical policy ideas, they have got out of the habit; not having heard ideas from that quarter for so long, the public may be forgiven for concluding either that they don't exist, or that they are so far beyond the pale as not to be worth considering. Conservatives need to rediscover what it is they stand for, and having done so, stand for it. At the same time, they need to sever themselves from the bullying, sneering culture of the Harperites, of the low brow and the lower blow. It should not be exclusively a liberal or left-wing idea that opponents are to be treated with respect, not insults; that learning and science are to be valued, not derided; that politics should bring people together rather than divide them. Yet, incredibly, that is where we have come to. A politics of substantive differences, civilly expressed: If I'm not mistaken, that is the formula that just elected Justin Trudeau. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #938 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)