From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #989 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, December 22 2015 Volume 16 : Number 989 In this issue: [none] Re: ex-JTF2 commander on Roy Green TORONTO STAR - Excerpt: How Canadians helped create the NRA Judicial Review provides glimpse into how gun ownership is Regarding: Re: TORONTO SUN - Trudeau's deficits? Blame Harper [none] "Run, Hide, Tell" - Recipe for Slaughter? Join JPFO ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:08:23 -0600 From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca (Majordomo) Subject: [none] > By Neil Bowen, Sarnia Observer - Friday, December 18, 2015 5:43:46 EST PM > http://www.theobserver.ca/2015/12/18/walpole-island-man-pleaded-guilty-tonine-weapons-offences Well, thank goodness for the two previous court ordered prohibitions against against prohibiting possession of firearms! Doing that didn't require $2 Billion dollars of boondoggle peaceful citizens out of their Rights and their money! The convicts lawyer arguing that Walpole Island being unceded territory is a bit much to swallow. Despite the prohibition against possessing firearms, the 3rd(?). The judge allows him an exemption, while hunting, a Constitutional Right, one that under Common-Law 33 million peaceful Canadians no longer enjoy. At a 5 1/2year sentence, he be eligible for parole in less than 2 years and back on the reserve. Unlikely to use an "official" border crossing next time. (Does anyone recall the story a few years ago about a stolen Escalade being traced going to a reserve in Ontario? Due to the family's dog being in the back, though being warned not to due to the danger, the older son decided to try and rescue the pup. The OPP didn't dare enter the reserve, but let the reserve police know he was going there. The reserve police suited up, loaded their AR-15s, knowing they'd be facing equal armament and more, and met and escorted him to the then wreck of an SUV via GPS. The pup was scared but unhurt.) ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required: From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Date: Sun, December 20, 2015 10:33 pm To: cfdmod@bogend.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-cdn-firearms@bogend.ca Sun Dec 20 22:33:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpion.bogend.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD38B6751 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:33:26 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bogend.ca Authentication-Results: scorpion.bogend.ca (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from scorpion.bogend.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scorpion.bogend.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id mryaAxe0PVJ3 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:33:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-wm0-f41.google.com (mail-wm0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by scorpion.bogend.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381C5B674E for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:33:26 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail-wm0-f41.google.com with SMTP id l126so52906466wml.0 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:33:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ASzz5kG2TdmjX4xaDcMmEEA8Huk39fGcrZFnYb541no=; b=D2yjqSGSoD15Yu2EQnHfTtXpNnJ2ne1wBMsrtcsEZWHeBG32aziGzvNVUCTTsejTOo SnfHqJ0nTFwK5IkCPDDQYGmoOrtqSspTn1kXFlTBHxsfmEeCKnFG+RU6wtG1M+xFbHjE uUzWPgJKLPnUZ+mg9Ol4vAskElaIhQyldVkjzRQNcLaEdUQa8wcu09xvOI2qYrgACh+7 GK7hdiHThFxvB33/3OURaFGqwxwIe5jhcV+mcygGES9hBU2Gtd8Xmwc/x2XYqYMVD2M1 R7mAZkOPJBtnb92yUMFbmGVwZrUM5BcrBn5zHO9LafvZpJXA1O31PjeAyPTRrHRxxH8Y +qoQ== X-Received: by 10.28.126.84 with SMTP id z81mr1965838wmc.29.1450672403563; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:33:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.163 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:33:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151220201727.D06D6B5538@scorpion.bogend.ca> References: <20151220201727.D06D6B5538@scorpion.bogend.ca> From: Kindanyume Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trudeau to review law allowing access to information To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141a21e4cc8d0052760fd88 --001a1141a21e4cc8d0052760fd88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm not holding my breath on this one. Given the track record of stupidity .. Wyatt's intolerable flaunting of the law is a prime example.. the rcmp failing miserably to produce records before my own court case.. the same for others I know.. etc etc and the list goes on. all obviously intentional delays and/or omissions. Thinking the putz JT will fix this is akin to doing PCP and expecting it'll fix your headache.. On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Dennis wrote: > Trudeau to review law allowing access to information > Information commissioner Suzanne Legault recently said she was struggling > to > clear a backlog of some 3,000 complaints from dissatisfied requesters > By: Jim Bronskill The Canadian Press, Published on Sat Dec 19 2015 > > http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/12/19/trudeau-to-review-law-allowing > -access-to-information.html > > > NOTE: More than 30 of those complaints are from this dissatisfied > customer. > > > > --001a1141a21e4cc8d0052760fd88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not holding my breath on this one.

Given the track record of stupidity .. Wyatt's intolerable flaunting= of the law is a prime example..=C2=A0 the rcmp failing miserably to produc= e records before my own court case..=C2=A0 the same for others I know.. etc= etc and the list goes on.=C2=A0 all obviously intentional delays and/or om= issions.=C2=A0 Thinking the putz JT will fix this is akin to doing PCP and = expecting it'll fix your headache..



On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Dennis <= span dir=3D"ltr"><dennisryoung@telus.net> wrote:
Trudeau to review law allowing access to information
Information commissioner Suzanne Legault recently said she was struggling t= o
clear a backlog of some 3,000 complaints from dissatisfied requesters
By: Jim Bronskill The Canadian Press, Published on Sat Dec 19 2015
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/12/19/trudeau-to-review-law-allo= wing
-access-to-information.html

NOTE:=C2=A0 More than 30 of those complaints are from this dissatisfied cus= tomer.




--001a1141a21e4cc8d0052760fd88-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:12:40 -0500 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: ex-JTF2 commander on Roy Green "Was the deer standing in the road when you hit it?" Succumbing to temptation he replied something like: "No, it was in the middle of a field, but you know how it is, I couldn't resist the thrill of the chase." <-- nah I'm sorry it was chasing my car from behind and jumped over it so as to be an obstacle I simply could not avoid! On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Larry James Fillo wrote: > A Lt.Colonel Hay, formerly of JTF2 was just interviewed on > the Roy Green radio show. After explaining the role of > special forces in suppressing other jihadi groups in the > past, which is less in use now due to political decisions. > > He also advocated that the RCAF role w/CF-18s be > continued with our coalition. That I.S. is being degraded > and typically when jihadi groups experience that they > try as big an attack as they can muster. They do that > to inspire both their current fighters and to recruit and > maintain their status. > > He stated we're in this for the next 30-40 years. That > after the Islamic State is defeated, which it will be. > There will be another version based on the same > ideology to take it's place. > > While he emphasized the current threat of a terrorist > attack is low (I presume in comparison to say Europe > or Africa) here in Canada. > > However, It is also, inevitable! > > To keep in mind the total number of Canadians affected > would be relatively low, too. > > Of course, this is a current analysis, not a comparative > one. Not one that would compare how it has increased > over the last, say 14 years or the factors that would > increase it over the next decade or so. > > He notes that one of the purposes unique to JTF2 > is responding to an incident within Canada. > > One of him most profound observations was that one > of the problems Canada has are politicians unable to > understand the intelligence/security briefings they > receive! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > As I was writing this, talk show host Roy Green noted > how many deer he's hit on the highway. The last time > he went to his insurance agency to report the accident > and make a claim, the woman agent asked him, "Was > the deer standing in the road when you hit it?" > > Succumbing to temptation he replied something like: > "No, it was in the middle of a field, but you know how it is, > I couldn't resist the thrill of the chase." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Earlier in the program he replayed a previous interview > with environmentalist Bjorn Lemborg. Lemborg notes > that the agreement COP21 in Paris by a number of > national governments, would be ineffective. > > He observed that the 1 trillion dollar a year cost when > fully implemented would enough investment to end > poverty in the world. > > Also, an economic analyst by someone from the > London School of Economics estimates a large number > elderly in the U.K. die each winter because they cannot > afford to adequately heat their homes since the price of > heating has risen by 80 percent in the last 15 years. > This due to the political priority of reducing C02 emissions > over riding keeping gas and electrical rates low. > > The numbers of the elderly killed by this government policy > exceeds the number of people in the U.K. killed each > year in traffic accidents. > > Note- Arguably, this U.K. gov't. policy is a violation of the > U.K. citizens Right To Life! > > When governments violate their citizen's Right to Life or > any other Right. The first defence is that of exercising the > Right of free political speech and debate. > > Every other activity of political import requires that to > maintain and regain lost ground in the defence of > Canada, as "free and democratic society". > > > > --089e01184dc6725ac905276c706f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Was
the deer standing in the road when you hit it?"

Succumbing to temptation he replied something like:
"No, it was in the middle of a field, but you know how it is,
I couldn't resist the thrill of the chase."


<-= -=C2=A0 nah I'm sorry it was chasing my car from behind and jumped over= it so as to be an obstacle I simply could not avoid!


On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 5= :20 PM, Larry James Fillo <ljfillo@shaw.ca> wrote:
A Lt.Colonel Hay, formerly of JTF2 was just intervie= wed on
the Roy Green radio show.=C2=A0 After explaining the role of
special forces in suppressing other jihadi groups in the
past, which is less in use now due to=C2=A0 political decisions.

He also advocated that the RCAF role w/CF-18s be
continued with our coalition.=C2=A0 That I.S. is being degraded
and typically when jihadi groups experience that they
try as big an attack as they can muster.=C2=A0 They do that
to inspire both their current fighters and to recruit and
maintain their status.

He stated we're in this for the next 30-40 years. That
after the Islamic State is defeated, which it will be.
There will be another version based on the same
ideology to take it's place.

While he emphasized the current threat of a terrorist
attack is low (I presume in comparison to say Europe
or Africa) here in Canada.

However, It is also, inevitable!

To keep in mind the total number of Canadians affected
would be relatively low, too.

Of course, this is a current analysis, not a comparative
one.=C2=A0 Not one that would compare how it has increased
over the last, say 14 years or the factors that would
increase it over the next decade or so.

He notes that one of the purposes unique to JTF2
is responding to an incident within Canada.

One of him most profound observations was that one
of the problems Canada has are politicians unable to
understand the intelligence/security briefings they
receive!

-------------------------------------------------------------------
As I was writing this, talk show host Roy Green noted
how many deer he's hit on the highway. The last time
he went to his insurance agency to report the accident
and make a claim, the woman agent asked him, "Was
the deer standing in the road when you hit it?"

Succumbing to temptation he replied something like:
"No, it was in the middle of a field, but you know how it is,
I couldn't resist the thrill of the chase."

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Earlier in the program he replayed a previous interview
with environmentalist Bjorn Lemborg.=C2=A0 Lemborg notes
that the agreement COP21 in Paris by a number of
national governments, would be ineffective.

He observed that the 1 trillion dollar a year cost when
fully implemented would enough investment to end
poverty in the world.

Also, an economic analyst by someone from the
London School of Economics estimates a large number
elderly in the U.K. die each winter because they cannot
afford to adequately heat their homes since the price of
heating has risen by 80 percent in the last 15 years.
This due to the political priority of reducing C02 emissions
over riding keeping gas and electrical rates low.

The numbers of the elderly killed by this government policy
exceeds the number of people in the U.K. killed each
year in traffic accidents.

Note- Arguably, this U.K. gov't. policy is a violation of the
U.K. citizens Right To Life!

When governments violate their citizen's Right to Life or
any other Right. The first defence is that of exercising the
Right of free political speech and debate.

Every other activity of political import requires that to
maintain and regain lost ground in the defence of
Canada, as "free and democratic society".




--089e01184dc6725ac905276c706f-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, December 21, 2015 1:52 pm From: "Dennis" Subject: TORONTO STAR - Excerpt: How Canadians helped create the NRA TORONTO STAR - Excerpt: How Canadians helped create the NRA After the Civil War, the U.S. looked to Canada - a nation of marksmen - for help in training the newly formed National Rifle Association, writes A.J. Somerset in an excerpt from his book Arms: The Culture and Credo of the Gun. By: A.J. Somerset Published on Sun Dec 20 2015 http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2015/12/20/how-canadians-helped-create-t he-nra.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:28:53 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca (Majordomo) Subject: Judicial Review provides glimpse into how gun ownership is determined From: "Dennis" Date: Mon, December 21, 2015 2:01 pm Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Review provides glimpse into how gun ownership is determined McFadden said he was told by one civilian RCMP official he couldn't have a gun "because of what happened in Ottawa," - referencing the October 2014 murder of Cpl. Nathan Cirillo By: Cam Fortems in News December 20, 2015 - Kamloops This Week http://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/review-provides-glimpse-into-how-gun-ownersh ip-is-determined/ Like every Canadian, a Thompson Rivers University student who applied for a licence to buy a gun was required to supply a list of references. One of those references, in a letter redacted to ensure his or her name would not be revealed, wrote to an official with the RCMP's firearms program, saying if Matthew McFadden had a gun, he would "go postal," McFadden told a judge in provincial court. The admission by McFadden came during a judicial review of a decision by the RCMP's firearm program to deny a him gun licence. That review began on Dec. 17 and was adjourned for completion in the new year. In 2014, the RCMP program renewed or issued about 100,000 licences to possess or acquire a firearm. In the same year it denied a new licence to about 800 people in Canada, a refusal number that appears to be rising. The judicial review of a firearms application provides a window into the procedure used by government officials to determine whether individual Canadians have the right to a gun. Sarah-Dawn Norris, a lawyer with the Department of Justice, argued the RCMP department made no error when it denied McFadden a licence. The judicial review heard hours of testimony from McFadden, including cross-examination by the Department of Justice lawyer. McFadden was not represented by a lawyer. Chris Cleaveley, a veteran judge, acknowledged he has never before overseen a judicial review on a firearms licence denial. Cleaveley led McFadden through a series of questions, beginning with his background a and including why he believes the program administered by the RCMP denied him the right to own a gun. Every Canadian who wants to continue to possess or acquire a firearm must get a licence from the RCMP firearm program. That includes renewals. Those who are denied have the right to a judicial review of the decision. It is not a criminal trial and McFadden is not charged with any offence. McFadden testified he will soon graduate from Thompson Rivers University with a bachelor of arts degree in geography, with a minor in political science. He said his career goals including the possibility of joining the Canadian Armed Forces or the federal bureaucracy. Now employed as a security guard, McFadden told Cleaveley he has been unfairly maligned and the refusal to issue a firearms licence may harm his desire to join the military. "I don't believe that was said by a reference I supplied," he complained of the letter stating he was a threat to shoot people in public. The federal official who made the decision to deny the licence has yet to testify in the hearing, so the reasons for that decision have not yet been heard in court. McFadden said he was told by one civilian RCMP official he couldn't have a gun "because of what happened in Ottawa," - referencing the October 2014 murder of Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the Canadian National War Memorial near the Parliament Buildings in Ottawa. The gunman, Michael Zehaf Bibeau, did not have a weapons licence. McFadden acknowledged while in high school eight years ago, officials in Clinton expressed concern at some of his actions and suspended him on one occasion. He admitted to taking a crowbar from a shop class and stashing it in a locker and of having a pocketknife while in class. Under pressure from school district officials, McFadden said he agreed to an examination by a psychiatrist in Kelowna. He provided a summary to the RCMP firearms program that included a statement he did not suffer from mental illness. "I realized it was in my best interest to clear my name," he testified. McFadden said officials with the firearms program were not satisfied with some details in the report and demanded a family physician fill out a new report attesting to his mental state. McFadden declined to supply it, saying variously he did not have a family doctor or didn't need to do it. "Wouldn't it make sense to do that?" Cleaveley asked.The hearing is scheduled to continue on Jan. 22. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:48:14 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Regarding: Re: TORONTO SUN - Trudeau's deficits? Blame Harper Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:43:14 -0500 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: TORONTO SUN - Trudeau's deficits? Blame Harper She was a farce and a failure in many ways.. no one disputes that. However JT is a disaster in more ways than I care to think about counting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harper’s role was a necessary one, though. It was to seal the deal started by the Lieberals’ on Cdn. civilian victim disarmament. Harper accomplished this with the help of a mostly but not completely duped Canadian firearms community. Trudeau’s govt. will have a much easier time attaining victim disarmament thanks to Harper doing his part of the scheme so well. It seems they both work for the same elite. Why not blame both equally, eh? It’s a Canadian thingy. The Harper con govt. made civil rights infringing laws, changed firearms regulations, and performed the tasks that a Lieberal govt. could not have easily performed without a public backlash. especially by the West and rural Canadians. This was possible because the firearms community helped to elect the anti-gun Imposter whom they thought was their friend. They trusted, supported and voted for Harper regardless of many atrocities he committed upon their fellow Canadian gun owners. Harper, a Machiavellian, exploited the trust these folks had in the Con. party, several firearms groups caught in his ‘pig trap,’ well known pro-gun activists and especially Garry B.’s past pro-gun rights and individual property rights record to accomplish a betrayal of the firearms community. The Harper cons had Garry B. in his corner as well as in the corner. Some come to mind. 1. enhanced Bill C-68 2. 3 year minimum sentences on violations of Harper’s enhanced C-68, 3. gun grinder trucks 4. ammo burners 5. practical applications of C-68 used to disarm whole communities when necessary. 6. promoted anti-gun judge(s) to Supreme Court of Canada 7. allowed intimate information of licensed gun-owners to be hacked Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:11:37 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: [none] young criminals not reading the Criminal Code before they commit a crime, nor caring what it says... This is shocking, shocking I tell you. On 2015-12-20, at 2:24 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: >=20 > Date: Sat, December 19, 2015 10:49 am > From: "Dennis" > Subject: Fake guns, real consequences >=20 > Fake guns, real consequences > Police in Abbotsford have seen an increase in the number of criminals = toting > pellet and BB guns that look like actual handguns. > by Tyler Olsen - Abbotsford News - updated Dec 18, 2015 at 4:41 PM > http://www.abbynews.com/news/362963551.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:18:30 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: "Run, Hide, Tell" - Recipe for Slaughter? Join JPFO http://jpfo.org/alerts2015/alert20151221.htm?awt_l=IN_Di&awt_m=Imz2_UjUc_Zn_P "Run, Hide, Tell" - Recipe for Slaughter? Some may remember the film from the cold war 60s which told people to "seek shelter" etc in the event of a nuclear attack - for example, hide under a table! An unlikely place of safety in such an event! Here is a public information video that seems to have a similar message of false safety, dreamed up by UK law enforcement to 'save lives" in the event of a mass shooting. It has to be wondered whether this, or something similar, could equally be imagined being fed to Americans in order to satisfy the enthusiasts of gun-free-zones. The San Bernadino and Paris massacres showed only too well, that for large numbers of exposed targets, the options for running and hiding are very limited - things happen very fast. As for 'telling' - well perhaps someone manages a 911 call but how does that immediately mitigate group slaughter? Sure, if the cavalry shows up eventually, the perpetrator or perpetrators may be dealt with but by then it's time to count the corpses. To stand any chance of limiting events such as these, there needs to be person or persons already armed and potentially able to at very least reduce the body count, if not even be able to beneficially control the situation. It seems however that this logical approach is deemed crazy - instead, there are expressions of horror at the mere thought of "good guy guns" being present. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stay Safe: Firearms and Weapons Attack, Published on Dec 17, 2015 In the UK the Police Service and partners work very hard to keep us safe from the threat of gun crime. Firearms and weapons attacks are thankfully extremely rare, but we must always know what to do to stay safe. What would you do if you came under fire or heard gunshots at work or in public? Should you stay and hide, or run for the nearest exit? Would you know what to do to stay safe? 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