From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V17 #661 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, July 18 2019 Volume 17 : Number 661 In this issue: Shooting survivor quits panel over 'timid' Liberal record on ... MISSING INFORMATION COMPLAINT: HIGH RIVER FORCED ENTRIES Tougher law on weapons to ensure punishment in Bahrain Concerns mount over 'criminalization' of detained migrants ... TIME - Fewer American Kids Die in States With Tougher Gun ... What Democrats should say about guns NATIONAL POST - Stricter gun laws tied to fewer childhood ... Re: Shooting survivor quits panel over 'timid' Liberal ... THE STAR: The Liberals should do better on gun control Re: Concerns mount over 'criminalization' of detained ... Why These Defensive Uses of Firearms Should Disarm Second ... Former gun panel chair Jack Major says committee was 'an ... Prince Charles at it again AI deception technology ? GOLDSTEIN: Justin Trudeau, Liberal Virtucrat --- Fear & ... Better to have a gun and not need it . . . Trump's list Jews and Guns Re: Jews and Guns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, July 16, 2019 7:49 am From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: Shooting survivor quits panel over 'timid' Liberal record on ... ...assault-style guns SHOOTING SURVIVOR QUITS PANEL OVER 'TIMID' LIBERAL RECORD ON ASSAULT-STYLE GUNS OTTAWA -- Mass-shooting survivor Nathalie Provost has quit the federal firearms advisory committee in frustration, saying she is "extremely disappointed" with the Liberal government's failure to crack down on assault-style rifles. Provost says she saw the appointment as an opportunity to take concrete action to improve public safety. But she was surprised in early 2018 when Goodale introduced Bill C-71 "without any discussion" with the advisory committee, putting members in a difficult position. Canadian Press obtained a copy of Provost's resignation letter sent Monday to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the cabinet members responsible for firearms issues -- Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale and Organized Crime Reduction Minister Bill Blair. By Jim Bronskill , The Canadian Press - Published Monday, July 15, 2019 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/shooting-survivor-quits-panel-over-timid-liberal-record-on-assault-style-guns-1.4509015 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 16, 2019 8:41 am From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: MISSING INFORMATION COMPLAINT: HIGH RIVER FORCED ENTRIES MISSING INFORMATION COMPLAINT: HIGH RIVER FORCED ENTRIES Request for Review to Alberta Information Commissioner dated July 14, 2019 by Dennis R. Young https://dennisryoung.ca/2019/07/16/missing-information-complaint-high-river-forced-entries/ EXCERPT: The Government Services Sector failed to conduct an adequate search and consequently, failed to provide all the records I requested from the Office of the Premier and Executive Council. The public's right to know and the need to rebuild trust in the RCMP is more important than withholding documents from the public and the media. Openness and transparency is required in our examination of the many Charter violations in High River following the 2013 flood. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 16, 2019 11:11 am From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: Tougher law on weapons to ensure punishment in Bahrain TOUGHER LAW ON WEAPONS TO ENSURE PUNISHMENT IN BAHRAIN The 1976 Explosives, Weapons and Ammunition Law has already been amended twice. Under the law, anyone found carrying weapons, even if licensed, into worship places, public transport or to any public gathering faces no less than five years in jail and a fine of no less than BD500. The punishment for possession, manufacture, smuggling and distribution is no less than seven years in jail and a fine of between BD300 and BD2,000. Illegal weapons trade is punishable with three years in jail and fines of up to BD500, while those violating the conditions of a weapons licence could be jailed for up to three years and fined up to BD200. Misuse of licensed weapons or firecrackers during celebrations, weddings or gatherings attract jail time of between two to five years and a fine of between BD50 and BD200. Committee vice-chairman Bader Al Dossary said the law should be applied to all equally. "Whether it is an MP or anyone else misusing weapons, licensed or not, he should be jailed for 15 years," he said. By Staff Writer, Gulf Daily News - July 14, 2019 https://www.zawya.com/mena/en/legal/story/Tougher_law_on_weapons_to_ensure_punishment_in_Bahrain-SNG_149160129/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 16, 2019 11:15 am From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: Concerns mount over 'criminalization' of detained migrants ... ...in Canada CONCERNS MOUNT OVER 'CRIMINALIZATION' OF DETAINED MIGRANTS IN CANADA Canada's border-security agency will soon require all border-security officers working with detained migrants to wear defensive gear that includes batons, pepper spray and bulletproof vests - a policy that is drawing concern over a perceived "criminalization" of asylum seekers. A new national policy on uniforms was adopted internally last year after the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) began moving what it deems "higher-risk immigration detainees" from provincial jails, where they were being held for security purposes, into one of the agency's three "immigration holding centres." By Canadian Press - July 14, 2019 https://www.kamloopsmatters.com/local-news/concerns-mount-over-criminalization-of-detained-migrants-in-canada-1584131 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 16, 2019 11:20 am From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: TIME - Fewer American Kids Die in States With Tougher Gun ... ...Laws, TIME - FEWER AMERICAN KIDS DIE IN STATES WITH TOUGHER GUN LAWS, ACCORDING TO THIS NEW STUDY Children living in states with strict firearm laws are less likely to die from gun violence than those in states with more lax restrictions, according to a study in Pediatrics published Monday. The more rigorous the rules, the lower the risk, the researchers showed. States with stricter gun control laws had 4% fewer pediatric deaths, and those with universal background checks for firearm purchases in place for at least five years had a 35% lower risk, the study found. By MICHELLE CORTEZ / BLOOMBERG July 15, 2019 https://time.com/5626352/gun-laws-fewer-child-deaths/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 16, 2019 11:22 am From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: What Democrats should say about guns WHAT DEMOCRATS SHOULD SAY ABOUT GUNS Although a substantial majority of Americans want to protect their right to own guns and rifles, many also support specific gun control proposals. About 60 percent are in favor of stricter gun laws; 94 percent advocate requiring background checks for all gun buyers; 63 percent support a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons; 52 percent would vote against a candidate for Congress who receives campaign contributions from the NRA and 58 percent against a candidate who wants to allow school teachers to carry guns; 59 percent disapprove of the way President Trump is handling the issue of gun violence. These apparent contradictions provide an opportunity for Democrats to seize the initiative on guns, energize their base (city dwellers, suburban women, young people), while positioning themselves well in the general election. By Glenn C. Altschuler, THE HILL - 07/15/19 https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/453059-what-democrats-should-say-about-guns ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 16, 2019 11:27 am From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: NATIONAL POST - Stricter gun laws tied to fewer childhood ... ...gun deaths NATIONAL POST - STRICTER GUN LAWS TIED TO FEWER CHILDHOOD GUN DEATHS Firearm injuries are the second leading cause of death among American children, but most studies of policies to prevent fatal shootings haven't focused specifically on kids, researchers note in Pediatrics. For the current study, researchers examined data on children under age 21 who were killed by firearms to see how state regulations - including background checks for gun purchases, restrictions on carrying guns in public places and enhanced child and consumer safety policies - might influence the odds of fatal shootings. States could receive a maximum score of 100 for the strictest gun laws. State gun law scores ranged from -39 to 81, and gun ownership ranged from 5.2% to 61.7% across states. Every 10-point increase in state scores for stricter gun laws was associated with 4% lower rates of firearm-related child mortality, the study found. By Lisa Rapaport, Reuters - July 15, 2019 https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/stricter-gun-laws-tied-to-fewer-childhood-gun-deaths ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:02:21 -0400 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: Shooting survivor quits panel over 'timid' Liberal ... ...record on ... Corrected title etc A self entitled ignorant feminist that didn't get her own way and carte Blanche throws tantrum and quits position on council that was a farce to start with.. Meanwhile she is a mechanical engineer but fails miserably to grasp even the basics of firearms mechanics according to her actions but continues to idiotically focus on cosmetic crap only.... Which proves again her goal is NOT public safety etc etc... It is about control and pushing her feminist agenda.. her actions thus far have given more than enough evidence to that fact If it was about actual safety she would be throwing a tantrum that Muslims are being given free passes and anyone daring to say they should even be treated equally if not given greater scrutiny.... afterall it was a woman hating Muslim man that shot her and the other victims.. Funny she doesn't mention anything of actual substance when it comes to anything that could actually be effective. It's of course not politically correct etc.. but cold hard reality is that profiling can be extremely effective.. Look at Israel's air ports for an example.... And when's the last time anyone successfully managed a terrorist attack or mass shooting there for that matter?? Then you have the flip side in Europe and look at the absolute disaster going on over there.. sweden used to be an extremely peaceful country for example.... Now there are multiple areas where even the Police don't want to go due to being attacked by Muslim migrants It's not racist either btw for those foolish enough to cry that crap 1st off Muslim is NOT a race.. it's a religion and based on their own holy scripture it is NOT a religion of peace since it literally says to kill all non Muslims And cold hard reality and facts don't change just because someone's feefees get hurt by such harsh words... the truth is the truth... feelings be earned.. the sad part is there are all too many tha5 would rather stick their heads up their asses and make believe the cold hard reality is their magical safe space or some such lunatic crap of that sort So as for dolts like Natalie.. good riddance she was doing nothing but harm regardless so her quitting is just doing us all a favour though thankfully she was dense enough to not grasp that in time Oh and yes I know not all Muslims are bad the same as not all Christians are either (another religion not so peaceful but they mostly have learned over the yrs.. the same cannot be said for the assbackwards dolts trying to remain in the stone ages.... And then trying to blame everyone but themselves for "being left behind"... Don't laugh that is litterally what was used as motivation behind the Muslim mass shooting attacks in India not that long ago... And now immortalised in the movies Hotel Mumbai which also exposes the total ineptitude of the Indian gov at that time.) On Jul 16, 2019 12:21 PM, wrote: ...assault-style guns SHOOTING SURVIVOR QUITS PANEL OVER 'TIMID' LIBERAL RECORD ON ASSAULT-STYLE GUNS OTTAWA -- Mass-shooting survivor Nathalie Provost has quit the federal firearms advisory committee in frustration, saying she is "extremely disappointed" with the Liberal government's failure to crack down on assault-style rifles. Provost says she saw the appointment as an opportunity to take concrete action to improve public safety. But she was surprised in early 2018 when Goodale introduced Bill C-71 "without any discussion" with the advisory committee, putting members in a difficult position. Canadian Press obtained a copy of Provost's resignation letter sent Monday to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the cabinet members responsible for firearms issues -- Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale and Organized Crime Reduction Minister Bill Blair. By Jim Bronskill , The Canadian Press - Published Monday, July 15, 2019 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/shooting-survivor-quits-panel-over-timid-liberal-record-on-assault-style-guns-1.4509015 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, July 16, 2019 10:10 pm From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: THE STAR: The Liberals should do better on gun control THE STAR EDITORIAL: THE LIBERALS SHOULD DO BETTER ON GUN CONTROL And now a spokesman for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale says the Liberals will be seeking "a mandate from Canadians to strengthen public safety." That could mean anything. But it likely refers to the expectation that the Liberals will campaign this fall on a promise to ban some military-style assault rifles with a buy-back program for owners. By Star Editorial Board - Tues., July 16, 2019 https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2019/07/16/the-liberals-should-do-better-on-gun-control.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 00:51:59 -0400 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: Concerns mount over 'criminalization' of detained ... ...migrants ... So some dolt is more worried about an appearance of being actually prepared and the security and safety of both our officers and our nation that they are about some putz saying oh that looks bad! What's next? Cops can't have modern holsers and have to go back to the ancient flap over style with revolvers... god forbid someone get all their feels butt hurt by the appearance of a POLICE officer actually having proper equipment and uniform on!.... /facepalm This is almost as idiotic as the acceptance of various religious headgear as over riding both the rcmp uniform few and the motorcycle helmet laws In both caress the dolts refusing to comply should have been told NO plain and simple... In order... that's the uniform don't like it then don't apply for the job as that uniform is required! As for the helmet law... either the law should apply to everyone or to NO one regardless of religion personally I say riding without such is stupidity but it should be a personal choice and if I should choose to ride without and get a ticket etc u know full well I'd be fighting it in court as persecution based on religious discrimination which is illegal. On Jul 16, 2019 5:50 PM, wrote: ...in Canada CONCERNS MOUNT OVER 'CRIMINALIZATION' OF DETAINED MIGRANTS IN CANADA Canada's border-security agency will soon require all border-security officers working with detained migrants to wear defensive gear that includes batons, pepper spray and bulletproof vests - a policy that is drawing concern over a perceived "criminalization" of asylum seekers. A new national policy on uniforms was adopted internally last year after the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) began moving what it deems "higher-risk immigration detainees" from provincial jails, where they were being held for security purposes, into one of the agency's three "immigration holding centres." By Canadian Press - July 14, 2019 https://www.kamloopsmatters.com/local-news/concerns-mount-over-criminalization-of-detained-migrants-in-canada-1584131 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 01:40:26 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Why These Defensive Uses of Firearms Should Disarm Second ... ...Amendment Skeptics http://jpfo.org/alerts2019/alert20190716.htm?awt_l=IN_Di&awt_m=IhYnJi9GllZn_P Why These Defensive Uses of Firearms Should Disarm Second Amendment Skeptics By Jonjayray. July 15th, 2019 Article Source: https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2019/07/why-these-defensive-uses-of-firearms.html At a time when many high-profile politicians are comfortable proposing laws that impose serious burdens on the right to keep and bear arms, including the mass confiscation of commonly owned firearms, it’s important to remember that those same firearms are regularly used by average Americans to defend their life, liberty, and property. While some gun control advocates claim the Second Amendment is a dangerous historical relic, even going so far as to call for its repeal, they often overlook the fact that firearms are significantly more likely to be used for self-defense than in criminal activity. In fact, according to a 2013 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost all national studies of defensive gun uses have found that firearms are used in self-defense between 500,000 and 3 million times every year in the United States. Additionally, an independent analysis of the CDC’s own internal dat a on defensive gun uses indicates that firearms are used defensively about 1 million times a year, dwarfing the number of deaths and injuries attributable to their criminal use. .....read more: https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2019/07/why-these-defensive-uses-of-firearms.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- It is useful from time to time to consider examples of defensive use of firearms in order to highlight the fact that guns can save lives. All too often those who seek to make law abiding people disarmed choose to ignore this, although many in the anti-gun community frequently are either gun owners themselves or protected by armed body guards. "Don't do what I do - do what I say". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "You don't have to be Jewish to fight by our side." You just have to love freedom. © 2019 JPFO All rights reserved. jpfo@jpfo.org 1-800-869-1884 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, July 17, 2019 7:10 am From: dennisryoung@telus.net Subject: Former gun panel chair Jack Major says committee was 'an ... ...afterthought' for feds FORMER GUN PANEL CHAIR JACK MAJOR SAYS COMMITTEE WAS 'AN AFTERTHOUGHT' FOR FEDS OTTAWA - A former chairman of the federal advisory panel on firearms says he found the committee to be a well-meaning but ultimately pointless exercise because members were not allowed to conduct independent research. Jack Major, a retired Supreme Court judge, said Tuesday he wrote twice to Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale about the need to hear witnesses and gather facts on gun-related issues, but got no reply to either letter. The Canadian Press Jim Bronskill - July 16, 2019 https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/former-gun-advisory-panel-chair-jack-major-felt-he-wasnt-serving-any-purpose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:00:31 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Prince Charles at it again https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/07/16/prince-charles-at-it-again-issues-yet-another-climate-tipping-point-deadline-after-previous-100-month-deadline-expires/ Prince Charles at it again: Issues new 18-month climate tipping point after previous ‘100 month’ deadline expires The Prince of Wales has warned global leaders that if we don’t tackle climate change in 18 months the human race will go extinct in a speech in London yesterday to foreign ministers from the Commonwealth. "I am firmly of the view that the next 18 months will decide our ability to keep climate change to survivable levels and to restore nature to the equilibrium we need for our survival," Prince Charles said. Flashback: 2015: Prince Charles gives world reprieve: Extends ‘100- Month’ climate ‘tipping point’ to 35 more years - Prince Charles had previously issued a 100-month climate tipping point deadline in 2009.-----read more ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:59:27 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: AI deception technology ? https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/453395-for-police-is-AI-deception-technology-a-truth-meter-yet For police, is AI deception technology a 'truth meter' yet? By William J. Bratton, opinion contributor — 07/17/19 ----Deception analysis, which utilizes algorithms to classify facial micro expressions (there are seven universal micro expressions: disgust, anger, fear, sadness, happiness, surprise and contempt), coupled with vocal patterns to indicate an individual’s truthfulness, is attempting to find its way into the criminal justice process. Deception systems currently being tested by the Department of Homeland Security try to detect changes in a suspect’s eye movement, voice and body posture to assess the individual’s likelihood of acting deceptively. However, as with polygraph examinations — commonly known as “lie detector tests” — results from these deception analyses can be skewed by various physiological and psychological factors. AI-based deception systems face a similar criticism: To date, there is no scientific evidence of a consistent relationship between an individual’s internal mental state, his or her intent, and any kind of external inducements. As a result, models and algorithms designed to predict or identify deceptiveness may be deemed unreliable.--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, July 17, 2019 11:24 pm From: "Richard Fritze" Subject: GOLDSTEIN: Justin Trudeau, Liberal Virtucrat --- Fear & ... ...Smaer Campaign 2019 I found this article on my new favourite website: www.blazingcatfur.ca GOLDSTEIN: Justin Trudeau, Liberal Virtucrat The Liberal "fear and smear" campaign against Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer orchestrated by Prime Minster Justin Trudeau is nothing new. The Liberals have always campaigned on the basis that the Conservatives are not only wrong, but evil. It's part of the Liberals' DNA. Posted in Justin Trudeau - Pissant on July 17, 2019 by Blazingcatfur. 9 Comments RICHARD A. FRITZE Barrister, Solicitor & Notary [ret’d] "RIDING SHOTGUN FOR YOU" 403 392 2506 Cell WWW.FRITZE.COM That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. George Orwell 2017: Commemorating 802 years since Magna Carta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, July 18, 2019 8:26 am From: "Richard Fritze" Subject: Better to have a gun and not need it . . . https://torontosun.com/news/national/grizzly-destroys-canoe-terrorizes-paddlers-during-northwest-territories-trip/wcm/660652b7-e442-49ad-aa88-97b8a91952c9 Excerpt: The rugged area, dotted with shrubs and small, spindly trees, can be unforgiving and visitors should do their research and have a solid plan before venturing out, he said. Mandeville said other than not having a firearm with them, the couple seemed to do everything right. "Unfortunately they just came across that problem wildlife and it ended their trip pretty quick." RICHARD A. FRITZE Barrister, Solicitor & Notary [ret’d] "RIDING SHOTGUN FOR YOU" WWW.FRITZE.COM That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. George Orwell 2017: Commemorating 802 years since Magna Carta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 09:59:40 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Trump's list https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping Trump’s list: 289 accomplishments in just 20 months, ‘relen tless’ promise-keeping by Paul Bedard October 12, 2018 The Trump administration's often overlooked list of achievements has surpassed those of former President Ronald Reagan at this time and more than doubled since the last tally of accomplishments after his first year in office, giving President Trump a solid platform to run for re-election. -------------- ---“They told him he couldn't be president and beat the establishment and he did. For two years the establishment is telling him he can't do things in Washington and he's succeeding in spite of them. He never retreats. He doesn't back up. He's relentless. He just wins.” ------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:14:44 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Jews and Guns http://jpfo.org/alerts2019/alert20190717.htm?awt_l=IN_Di&awt_m=JYUtWvou_lZn_P Jews and Guns By MJL. July 2019 Jews, particularly American ones, have a longstanding aversion to guns. According to a 2005 American Jewish Committee study, Jews have the lowest rate of gun ownership of among all religious groups, with just 13 percent of Jewish households owning firearms (compared to 41 percent for non-Jews) and only 10 percent of Jews personally owning a gun (compared to 26 percent). The majority of American Jews, who overwhelmingly live in urban rather than rural communities (where gun ownership tends to be more widespread) support the Democratic party, whose platform calls for stricter gun control, and major Jewish organizations have repeatedly thrown their support behind gun control measures. A 2013 list of prominent anti-gun activists compiled by the National Rifle Association included several of the largest Jewish groups. Jewish gun groups, meanwhile, are few and far between, with limited influence. The most visible is Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, based in Bellevue, Washington, which reported less than $100,000 in revenues in 2015 and lists only three board members on its IRS filing. Still, some Jews have long argued that the community's broad opposition to firearms is naive and dangerous given the history of Jewish oppression and the persistence of anti-Semitism, sometimes violently expressed. ..... read more https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hunting-in-judaism/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jews have the lowest rate of gun ownership of among all religious groups, and yet some Jewish gun proponents have argued that since the Torah commands self-preservation, acquiring the means for that preservation is also a religious requirement, with some going so far as to suggest that gun control laws prevent Jews from exercising their religious obligations. ############################ "You don't have to be Jewish to fight by our side." You just have to love freedom. © 2019 JPFO All rights reserved. jpfo@jpfo.org 1-800-869-1884 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:04:34 -0600 From: Roger Walker Subject: Re: Jews and Guns This is also a Christian obligation, as part of the Old Testament. > On Jul 18, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Joe Gingrich wrote: > > https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hunting-in-judaism/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jews have the lowest rate of gun ownership of among all religious > groups, and yet some Jewish gun proponents have argued that since > the Torah commands self-preservation, acquiring the means for that > preservation is also a religious requirement, with some going so far > as to suggest that gun control laws prevent Jews from exercising > their religious obligations. Roger Walker MMT RMT ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V17 #661 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms.ca/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)